2009-04-18 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:03:37 <warlord> hiya Wilddev
01:03:39 <warlord> LTNS!
01:19:15 <Wilddev> hey warlord
01:19:26 <Wilddev> yup been a while since I had a linux desktop
01:20:19 <warlord> Heya.
01:20:26 <warlord> Well, GnuCash supports Win32.. ;)
01:20:36 <Wilddev> yes, I just started using it there
01:20:41 <Wilddev> was great
01:20:47 <warlord> :-D
01:20:52 <warlord> Are you still in CO?
01:20:52 <Wilddev> was a refresh bug in the register tho
01:20:53 <Wilddev> yes
01:22:49 <warlord> Hmm..
01:22:54 <warlord> I thought that was fixed in 2.2.9
01:22:58 <warlord> but maybe not.
01:23:13 <Wilddev> seemed to come out mostly when I was scrolling
01:23:23 <Wilddev> a few up and downs made it go away
01:23:41 <Wilddev> havent tested it in linux to see if its here tho
01:24:02 <Wilddev> hows things with you anyway?
01:27:57 <warlord> Well..
01:27:59 <warlord> Still at PGP.
01:28:02 <warlord> Still happy there.
01:28:10 <warlord> Almost done with this project (after 2 years)
01:29:56 <Wilddev> ah that's good to hear
01:30:02 <warlord> yeah.
01:30:03 <warlord> still in boston
01:30:08 <warlord> still traveling to CA
01:30:09 <Wilddev> I'm still happy at accuvant
01:30:28 <warlord> nice! :
01:30:30 <warlord> :)
01:30:31 <Wilddev> we do quite a bit of work with PGP still
01:30:33 <warlord> any travel?
01:30:49 <Wilddev> just not me, I'm 'Principal Wireless Security Consultant'
01:30:52 <Wilddev> loads
01:31:03 <Wilddev> I did 75k last year just on united
01:31:04 <warlord> where to?
01:31:09 <Wilddev> whole us
01:31:23 <Wilddev> mostly was west coast last year
01:31:31 <Wilddev> this year I'm expecting more on the east
01:32:09 <warlord> Let me know if you make it to New England.
01:32:22 <warlord> I'm in SF/Bay Area often, too
01:32:23 <Wilddev> definately
01:32:50 <Wilddev> that place u met me at in LA went under
01:33:01 <warlord> awww
01:33:08 <warlord> (the place in Simi Valley?)
01:33:12 <Wilddev> yeah
01:33:20 <Wilddev> mismanagement
01:33:26 <Wilddev> was a shame really
01:33:29 <warlord> too bad.
01:33:35 <warlord> but you're not htere, soo...
01:33:42 <Wilddev> yes exactly
01:34:00 <Wilddev> I'm doing pretty well at consulting
01:34:07 <Wilddev> settled into a nice niche here
01:34:09 <warlord> cool! Especially in this envionment.
01:34:20 <Wilddev> right
01:34:57 <warlord> anyways, you should hang out here more often! we miss you.
01:35:16 <Wilddev> heh, probably will now I got a linux desktop up again
01:35:16 <warlord> (and I need to get to bed. I've been up since 7am, and it's 1:30)
01:35:23 <Wilddev> ok!
01:35:25 <warlord> ... and I need to get up by 9 to do some server maint.
01:35:29 <Wilddev> ttyl
01:35:34 <warlord> see ya!
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07:49:19 <warlord> good morning all
07:49:27 <warlord> I think I'm going to start the maint a little early..
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08:50:40 <warlord> One last set of updates and then the upgrade will be done.
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09:06:08 <warlord> @nick gncbot
09:06:08 <gncbot`> warlord: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
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09:08:28 <warlord> Okay, services should be running again.
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11:29:20 <jsled> warlord, everyone: I'm headed to CA for the MySQL Conference for the week; I probably won't have time ot do any mailing list moderation during the week. Just fyi
11:29:41 <warlord> jsled: okay, thanks.
11:29:45 <warlord> Say hi to Sheeri for me.
11:29:54 <jsled> ah, you know her?
11:30:03 <warlord> Yeah
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11:57:03 <Tim_Abell> for anyone interested, i've added a section: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Git#Ready_made_clone
11:57:09 <Tim_Abell> i'll drop a note to the dev list too
11:58:52 <warlord> ok.
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16:14:01 <MeXTuX> I'm a GNUCash newbie. I'm having some trouble when trying to add a money income. In this case the income is my salary. I'm getting a message that in Spanish says "DESCUADRE". I think in English it means "IMBALANCE". Maybe is because if I add money in one account, so I must rest the same quantity from another. I hope I am explaining myself completely right
16:17:04 <cortana> MeXTuX: if you run 'LANG=C gnucash' then you'll get messages in english
16:19:03 <MeXTuX> Is it a command? Where do I have to put that instruction? (I'm using XP by the way :| )
16:19:52 <cortana> oh, i don't know how to do it on windows
16:20:00 <cortana> you'd have to do this at a command prompt
16:20:08 <cortana> but i have no idea how localisation works on windows :(
16:20:15 <MeXTuX> OK I will try it
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16:28:45 <MeXTuX> I made it! Just added two lines to the file "C:\Program files\GNUCash\bin\gnucash.bat". The lines I just added are set LANGUAGE=en_US and set LANG=en_US
16:29:19 <warlord> MeXTuX: yes, this is basic double-entry.. Your salary is a credit to Income:Salary and a Debit to Assets:Checking.
16:30:24 <cortana> ah, cool
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16:40:35 <MeXTuX> I'm having some trouble with the IRC. My computer keeps disconnecting me from the IRC server :(
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16:55:04 <MeXTuX> I created a new profile for accounting but didn't know how to achieve that "Your salary is a credit to Income:Salary and a Debit to Assets:Checking" thing :(
16:55:41 <cortana> MeXTuX: ok, you have two accounts
16:55:46 <cortana> the first is type Income and is called Salary
16:55:55 <cortana> the second is type bank account and is your current account
16:56:15 <cortana> then when you are paid, you transfer from the salary account to your current account
16:56:32 <MeXTuX> ok I will check that those accounts do exist
17:00:43 <MeXTuX> mmm don't have anything called "bank". Do I have to create that?? I selected the Common Accounts category when created the new profile
17:01:33 <warlord> MeXTuX: you can call it whatever you want. But you need an asset account. What account do you have to represent your bank account?
17:03:42 <MeXTuX> I have Assets:Savings Account and that represents the money I have in my bank
17:06:36 <warlord> And does your salary get deposited there?
17:08:17 <MeXTuX> Yes! Everytime I get paid. My boss deposits $1,000,000 dollars LOL :p
17:09:14 <warlord> right.. well it's a transfer from your salary income account into this savings account.
17:13:21 <MeXTuX> Ok. But when I do that, my Income:Salary my will have a $0.00 Balance Value and Assets:Saving Accounts will receive the money that was previously in Income:Salary. Am I wrong?
17:16:58 <warlord> Yes, you are wrong.
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17:17:23 <warlord> Income is "magic". It's the "source" of money coming into your accounts. Just like "expenses" are magic in that they sink the money you spend.
17:17:38 <warlord> So this will increase your income account AND it will increase your bank account.
17:17:48 <warlord> Have you read the Tutorial and Concepts Guide?
17:20:53 <MeXTuX> I have read some parts but not the complete guide. So every two weeks I transfer money from Income to Saving Accounts. Is that simple?
17:22:42 <warlord> yes
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17:28:52 <MeXTuX> oohh I have transfered my salary to Saving Accounts and now Salary duplicated its value
17:35:17 <warlord> What do you mean "duplicated its value"?
17:35:26 <MeXTuX> and what if I am so lazy and want GNUCash to do this instead of doing it myself? Can I use Actions->Scheduled Transactions->Scheduled Transaction Editor and just have a sit and watch how my Saving Account increases its balance?
17:35:28 <warlord> Are you sure you did the transfer correct? You only need ONE transaction.
17:35:43 <warlord> Well, you stil have to run the SX
17:38:31 <warlord> But once you enter the transaction once, entering it a second time is simple. GnuCash's autocompletion will do most of the work for you.
17:39:56 <MeXTuX> SX is a menu or another software??
17:40:22 <MeXTuX> is SX a menu or something?
17:44:42 <warlord> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_.22SX.22_thing_I_see_on_the_lists_and_IRC_periodically.3F
17:45:26 <MeXTuX> ok. I will check it. I'm very thankful for your time, you guys :)
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18:01:10 <Bob> hi there!
18:01:37 <Bob> I have asked this before, but have not received an answer yet, so here it is again...
18:03:39 <Bob> I live in Canada, and there are 2 sales taxes, a federal and a provincial one. The federal is charged first, and the provincial 2nd (yes, the federal tax is taxed by the province!) Is there a way to do this in Gnucash, i.e., in invoices?
18:04:39 <warlord> Yes, but you need to manually include Tax1 inside Tax2
18:04:50 <warlord> it's all in the docs
18:06:40 <Bob> where in the docs?
18:11:46 <warlord> Good question -- I can't find it.
18:11:59 <warlord> But basically you need to compute the ACTUAL tax..
18:12:21 <warlord> (It's something like Tax1 * (1 + Tax2) or something like that)
18:13:15 <Bob> mmm....I see what you mean, but in this manner there is no way to track how much has been received/spent in each separate tax, right?
18:13:26 <Bob> this is important for companies
18:13:28 <warlord> Ofcourse there is
18:13:36 <Bob> how so?
18:13:53 <warlord> You have two entries in the tax table. Tax 1, and Tax 2.
18:14:19 <warlord> Let's say the actual tax rates are 5% and 10%, where the 5% tax includes the 10%
18:14:23 <warlord> So Tax1 is 10%
18:15:01 <warlord> Tax2 is 5*(1+10%) = 5.5%
18:17:26 <Bob> and these can both show on an invoice (I was unable to make them both show)?
18:17:38 <warlord> yes.
18:17:47 <warlord> "Show all taxes"
18:19:51 <Bob> where is that option?
18:20:00 <warlord> in the invoice report options
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18:32:54 <Bob> ok
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23:21:19 <holt_kessler> is gnome-utils a dependency for 2.2.9?
23:23:34 <warlord> which gnome-utils?
23:24:37 <holt_kessler> there is only one which I am aware of
23:25:50 <holt_kessler> 2.24.1
23:26:57 <warlord> no, I do not believe that gnucash has a dep on g-u
23:27:49 <holt_kessler> ok thanks
23:31:13 <warlord> what OS/Distro?
23:31:18 <warlord> (why do you ask?)
23:32:58 <holt_kessler> Lunar GNU/Linux
23:34:07 <holt_kessler> unable to install from src 2.2.9 following using 2.2.8 for months
23:34:55 <warlord> In what way does the install fail?
23:36:01 <holt_kessler> use pastebin?
23:37:11 <warlord> sure
23:38:12 <holt_kessler> sec