2009-04-17 GnuCash IRC logs
00:01:18 <beginner> The I BM stock row is in green, and under the green row, there is a yellow row that I do not know what it is for or how to delete it.
00:01:43 <beginner> Any expert advice or brain waves to help me out?
00:01:57 * jsled takes a stab
00:03:45 <jsled> After you hit the "Price Editor" menu item, can you close all the other windows, one by one?
00:03:52 <jsled> Maybe the Price Editor opens up behind another window?
00:04:10 <jsled> Or … do you notice a new/other entry in the taskbar after you hit the Price Editor menu item?
00:04:25 <jsled> (maybe the window opens up off-screen or with a size of 0x0 pixels?)
00:10:31 <beginner> Yes, I notice a new entry on the taskbar after hitting Price Editor, but clicking on this new taskbar entry does nothing for me.
00:11:03 <beginner> That is why I thought the Price Editor was showing the same main gnucash window.
00:11:52 <beginner> Right clicking on the Price Editor taskbar item allows me to move, size, minimize, maximize or close the window.
00:12:53 <beginner> Selecting the Security Editor, on the other hand, gives me another window....
00:13:22 <jsled> Ah. That very much sounds like the "0x0-sized" or offscreen window.
00:13:30 <jsled> I … it is very tricky to fix.
00:13:46 <jsled> My recommendation is to … let's see…
00:13:59 <jsled> So, alt-tab over to the price editor entry.
00:14:11 <jsled> Then, alt+space to get the window's context menu.
00:14:20 <jsled> Or, the window menu or whatever you want to call it.
00:14:40 <jsled> It'll be interesting to note if this menu shows up in one corner of the screen, or in the middle, or whatever.
00:14:53 <jsled> Then, move down to 'resize' or 'size' or whatever.
00:15:03 <jsled> Then, … I forget.
00:15:16 <jsled> you can either use the arrow keys to make the window bigger
00:15:50 <jsled> Or maybe, you very carefully use the mouse (which has hopefully repositioned to be inside the 0x0-size window) to start draging one edge/corner out to be bigger.
00:18:15 <beginner> jsled: You make miracles. alt-tab move the cursor to the Price Editor taskbar entry. alt-space gave me the "context menu", I tried several things, nothing worked. But then, I clicked Maximize on the context menu and now I see a VERY promising Price Editor window :-)
00:18:31 <jsled> Ah.
00:18:46 <jsled> The problem with "maximize" is when you un-maximize, it'll revert to the 0x0 state. :(
00:18:52 <jsled> And I'm not sure how to get it to not do that.
00:18:54 <beginner> Now I also see the Get Quotes button that warlord and others alluded to earlier.
00:18:58 * jsled nods
00:19:24 <beginner> Let me see if anything happens first.
00:20:54 <beginner> Get Quotes worked!!!!
00:21:13 <beginner> Now let me try Price Editor again to see what happens.
00:23:05 <beginner> Interesting. VERY interesting! I closed gnucash and restarted it. Price Editor still works like a charm :-)
00:23:15 <beginner> What do you think happened earlier? What did I do wrong?
00:23:56 <beginner> Or, perhaps, I should just say a nice prayer and hope everything will work from now on, instead of trying to figure out what happened earlier.
00:25:26 <jsled> No, I don't think you did anything wrong, or gnucash even. Heck, I had that problem happen to IE8's developer window the other week.
00:25:38 <jsled> Bloody annoying as hell, when it does.
00:26:04 <jsled> I don't know if there's any good way to figure out what happened.
00:28:05 <beginner> Now, I am in deep yogurt again. Since I closed all "windows" earlier. I cannot get the "accounts back" to show me what accounts I have created and the total value of the stock account I created.
00:28:28 <beginner> I tried open, I tried reports, nothing seems to work.
00:29:43 <beginner> I just tired File - Open - Open Budget and got the accounts back. Strange!
00:30:42 <jsled> Hmm. Open Budget is something else.
00:31:35 <beginner> I will close all gnucash tabs again. Can you tell me how what to do?
00:32:44 <beginner> Also, I tried Reports, Account Summary shows 12/31/09, and EVERYTHING is $0.00
00:33:08 <jsled> File > New > New Accounts Page
00:33:21 <beginner> But the Stock tab shows at the bottom $4,047.20.
00:34:47 <beginner> Yes, now I see the $4057.20 value under Investments. But there is also a ($40.00) Imbalanced-USD. What did I do wrong with this?
00:43:53 <beginner> I am not sure what I did, but the Current Value now at the bottom is $0.00 again. I put in the number of shares, ie 40, but cannot get the price from the Price Editor to show in the stock account row.
00:44:50 <jsled> Imbalanced-USD is the account of last resort. :)
00:45:20 <jsled> If you mis-enter a double-entry transaction, or forget to map something during import, gnucash will balance the transaction by assigning it to Imbalance-[currency].\
00:46:10 <jsled> So, I'd open that account and see what the transaction is, and a) fix it, b) figure out where it came from, prevent it, &c.
00:58:41 <beginner> How can I get the price from Get Quotes to show up in the Stock Price field so the Current Value is the sum of shares * price?
00:59:29 <beginner> (I made the mistake of deleting the imbalance-USD, and lost the stock price and value.
01:00:54 <jsled> It doesn't work that way.
01:00:54 <beginner> (my situation is this: I have 40 shares of IBM stock from many years ago. I have no immediate plans to buy more or sell existing. So it is simply an asset that I own. Why would there be any imbalance?)
01:01:14 <jsled> The stock accounts don't track the current value.
01:01:21 <jsled> Only the value at the times of transactions.
01:01:26 <jsled> I think there's a report for the other thing.
01:01:37 <jsled> But I never really used the stock accounts stuff.
01:06:43 <beginner> I was attracted to GnuCash for its ability to get online bank account and stock and mutual fund info. To try the Get Quotes, I only created a stock account. Now, by my stupid mistake, I lost the price and value info, and have no clue what to do to get it back. I will try from scratch again. Thanks for ALL your help anyway. Appreciate it very much, though I may be forced to abandon GnuCash in the end because it is simply too hard to use. FYI: several others in
01:07:06 <jsled> beginner: cut off at "several others in"
01:07:48 <beginner> FYI: several others in onliine chats at other websites told me the same thing ie GnuCash is just too complicated unless, PERHAPS, you have a PhD in accounting.
01:08:47 <jsled> naw, they exagerate.
01:09:18 <jsled> I'll admit that gnucash has some usability problems that compound the fact that double-entry accounting can be counterintuitive.
01:09:47 <jsled> but it's fundamentally not "too complicated".
01:09:54 * jsled shrug
01:10:12 <jsled> I'm to bed. 'night!
01:10:50 <beginner> I am not a quitter, in general. That is why after 2 months, I am still trying to make it work for me. I will try a little longer and see what happens. Thanks again. NIght!
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02:57:40 <goodger> I have no qualifications in accounting whatsoever, and yet I find gnucash extremely easy
03:00:51 <goodger> reading the backlog, I am forced to conclude that beginner has some learning difficulty or other
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07:33:35 <warlord> goodger: I'm with you
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11:14:28 <omi555> hello can any one tell me what does F&C term means?
11:15:54 <warlord> reference?
11:16:28 <omi555> it is used in trading business... just like C&F or FOB
11:16:58 <omi555> I know it stands for Free & Clear, thats what most sites told me... But what does it literally means...
11:17:12 <warlord> Oh, umm.. no idea. is the term used in GnuCash? I dont recognize it.
11:18:01 <omi555> Not really, I just searched this chat room .. I though people would know about it
11:18:13 <omi555> anywhoo, Thanks :)
11:18:29 <warlord> sorry. good luck.
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11:58:36 <OsamaK> Hello. Could someone please help me getting a POT file to start an Arabic (ar) translation, there isn't an Arabic translation right now.
12:01:33 <warlord> OsamaK: did you look at the wiki?
12:01:58 <warlord> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation
12:02:17 <OsamaK> warlord, I did. "Start by copying the file gnucash.pot", where is the POT file?
12:03:08 <warlord> see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation#Initial_processing_of_the_translation_file
12:04:05 <OsamaK> warlord, This is the question. 'Could someone help me getting the POT' I'm not really ready to install tens of package just to create a POT file.
12:04:15 <OsamaK> maybe you can?
12:08:36 <warlord> you will still need the source code checkout in order to validate the translation and to look up translator comments.
12:20:03 <OsamaK> warlord, it would be very helpful if you could send a POT file :
12:20:05 <OsamaK> :)
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12:36:41 <warlord> OsamaK: where should I send it?
12:36:54 <OsamaK> e.mail?
12:37:01 <warlord> (note, I did this off of trunk, which will be 2.3/2.4 -- we don't plan any more 2.2 releases)
12:37:29 <OsamaK> great. thank you so much.
12:37:44 <warlord> enroute.
12:38:39 <warlord> But you'll still want to checkout the svn sources.
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15:01:42 <moon> I've just closed book for a fiscal year, and have the retained earning/loss indicated under Equity:Year-End 200X. Since I had some USD income, it shows Equity:Year-End 200X:USD. However, I note that the exchange rate is incorrect. How do I correct this?
15:02:55 <warlord> There is no exchange rate. It closes USD income to a USD Equity..
15:05:39 <moon> Yes. But on the main page where all the accounts are listed, all USD amounts are listed in CAD in next column. And also the total equity:Year End 2003 showing the total is incorrect, because the wrong exchange rate was applied to the USD amount
15:07:33 <warlord> There's no way around that.
15:08:26 <moon> Then it will continue to show wrong numbers? and if I want the accurate numbers then I would have to look at the balance sheet of each year?
15:09:21 <warlord> Yep.
15:09:29 <warlord> (which is why I never close the books on my accounts)
15:09:48 <warlord> Actually, after you close the books you can't run any reports for that full year, either.. The amounts will be wrong.
15:10:09 <moon> ic...so I just continue one years down without ever closing book?
15:10:27 <warlord> Yeah
15:10:53 <moon> what if the file gets too big? then do I create a new file transferring all balances?
15:11:10 <warlord> If you wish.. but honestly, how big it your file?
15:11:29 <warlord> Unless you're entering dozens of transactions a day I doubt your file will get too big.
15:11:46 <moon> not that big yet...I was just thinking years down the road...as it is business accounts.
15:12:09 <warlord> I wouldn't worry about 5 years from now until 5 years from now.
15:12:20 <moon> okay....thanks...
15:12:39 <warlord> By then who knows what changes we'll have?
15:12:52 <OsamaK> warlord, sorry, about the POT file. It will take long time to finish 3,500 entries (and I may not finish them all), is it possible to update the POT securely if I send it after, let's say a month?
15:13:21 <warlord> OsamaK: sure, you can keep sending in updates.
15:13:38 <warlord> just follow the instructions on that wiki page.
15:13:51 <OsamaK> I think I should ;)
15:15:15 <warlord> Thanks!
15:17:54 <OsamaK> warlord, Are all translation in '/po' 100% complete?
15:18:01 <warlord> no
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16:37:15 <Tim_Abell> evenin all. is there any way to run the make, install, run cycle faster or cut any of it out when experimenting with changes to the C code?
16:40:58 <jsled> you should (still) be able to `make install` inside the subdirectory that you're changing files in, only.
16:41:02 <warlord> If you're only changing the .c files (and not .h files) then you only need to run "make all check install" from the current directory.
16:41:27 <Tim_Abell> ohhhhhh, i didn't know you could do that :)
16:41:38 <Tim_Abell> nice one
16:42:06 <Tim_Abell> 2 weeks of learning C down, 9 years 50 weeks to go
16:44:51 <warlord> LOL
16:45:42 <Tim_Abell> :)
16:45:56 <Tim_Abell> btw, are you really at MIT?
16:46:11 <Tim_Abell> if you don't mind me asking
16:46:21 <warlord> I used to be. Not any longer.
16:46:31 * Tim_Abell is in awe :)
16:46:48 <Tim_Abell> so you get to keep the email address of high respect then
16:48:48 <warlord> Well, I'm lucky in that respect.
16:49:11 <Tim_Abell> indeed
16:49:22 <Tim_Abell> was that from a degree?
16:49:33 <warlord> Yeah, 2 degrees and some consulting.
16:49:50 <Tim_Abell> nice work :)
16:50:03 <warlord> Thanks
16:50:20 <Tim_Abell> i don't mean to pry, just always curious about people involved in things like this
16:50:41 <Tim_Abell> especially given the 'it's all bedroom coders' attitude i hear sometimes
16:50:46 <warlord> LOL
16:51:04 <Tim_Abell> (yes, i am currently in my bedroom, don't tell anyone but i'm redecorating the 'study'
16:52:25 <warlord> ok
17:01:47 <Tim_Abell> what drew you in to hacking on gnc?
17:02:30 <warlord> Umm.. I wanted to start keeping track of my finances..
17:02:38 <Tim_Abell> touche :) me too
17:02:48 <Tim_Abell> what are the chances
17:02:51 <warlord> Then a couple years later I started a consulting company and needed something, which is why I wrote the business features.
17:02:52 <Tim_Abell> !
17:03:03 <Tim_Abell> oh, that's your doing. wow.
17:03:08 <warlord> Yep.
17:03:35 <Tim_Abell> were you already a C guy?
17:04:55 <warlord> yeah.
17:05:31 <Tim_Abell> that must help. I've landed in C# by mistake. With a bit of Java
17:05:38 <Tim_Abell> and piles of web stuff
17:12:31 <warlord> Yeah, I did some java back in the mid 90s
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17:22:25 <Tim_Abell> i was at school in the 90's :)
17:22:38 <Tim_Abell> with our RM Nimbuses
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17:29:40 <timber> hello
17:29:51 <warlord> Fun
17:30:07 <timber> which is the latest stable release of gnucash?
17:30:12 <warlord> (i did java after i graduated -- C was my first language)
17:30:20 <warlord> timber: read the /topic
17:30:27 <Tim_Abell> 2.2.9
17:30:38 <timber> thx Tim_Abell
17:30:48 <Tim_Abell> that must be a trial by fire to start with C
17:31:03 <warlord> Nah
17:31:12 <Tim_Abell> i got taught the basic language at uni, but there's an ocean between that and actually doing anything
17:31:19 <Tim_Abell> uh, basic C
17:31:28 <Tim_Abell> as opposed to basic (shudder)
17:31:40 <warlord> well, basic was my first first programming language.
17:31:41 <Tim_Abell> friday syndrome
17:32:06 <Tim_Abell> i guess I truly started on our amstrad cpc 6128, and whatever variant of basic that was
17:32:08 <warlord> (I also learned pascal, RPG-II, COBOL, Forth, Scheme, lisp, ...)
17:32:13 <Tim_Abell> crikey
17:33:36 <Tim_Abell> then i had several uninspiring school courses from teachers who didn't seem to know much, which meant i didn't touch it again till uni
17:34:01 <Tim_Abell> where i did cybernetics and control engineering (cos it sounded cool)
17:34:16 <Tim_Abell> and kinda learnt to program a pic microchip
17:34:29 <Tim_Abell> fairly unsuccessfully, being a student :)
17:34:43 <Tim_Abell> but i got the bug
17:34:58 <timber> another question if I may: I'm looking to get my client off of QuickBooks, and use gnucash directly from the web-based (php) Inventory/Order-Tracking/Logistics system I built for him. Anyone have a link or info that would help me on my journey?
17:35:41 <Tim_Abell> blimey. good luck
17:35:49 <Tim_Abell> i'm new round here
17:36:39 <warlord> timber: Have you looked at the web and wiki? There's really not a good migration path from QB.
17:37:33 <timber> looking to switch more than migrate... but I'll read up on that part
17:38:38 <jsled> timber: if you're looking to extend your php webapp to talk to gnucash, then you should look at the C (and wrapped) APIs for gnucash.
17:39:06 <timber> sounds good.... link?
17:39:33 <jsled> http://code.gnucash.org/docs/HEAD/
17:39:45 <jsled> is much of it, anyways.
17:40:02 <timber> awesome... thank ye
17:40:14 <jsled> I'd also look at how the test cases in src/engine/test/ and src/backend/file/test/ initialize the world and basically create sessions/read files.
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17:40:39 <timber> kk
17:43:41 <timber> thx guys
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17:47:42 <Tim_Abell> crikey the swig produced swig-engine. is massive!
17:47:59 <Tim_Abell> 21,704 lines
17:48:08 <warlord> Yeah, well.. it's generated code.
17:48:12 <Tim_Abell> :)
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17:56:48 <warlord-afk> sorry, gotta run
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18:45:09 <timber> I'm installing on OS 10.5.... fink isn't showing gnucash2, just gnucash.... anyone know how to fix?
18:46:51 <timber> even installing from the command line gives the same result
18:47:00 <timber> Failed: no package found for specification 'gnucash2'!
18:50:22 <jsled> timber: seen http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/MacOSXInstallation#gnucash-2.2.x ?
18:52:09 <timber> yes... been working from that
18:52:10 <timber> :(
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21:36:01 <Bill> What DBMS does GNUCash use?
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22:57:30 <Wilddev> hiya
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23:18:01 <goodger> has beginner come back? I could do with a laugh
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