2009-03-24 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:31:19 <ChinaCoop> I have been struggling for months to open a GnuCash file without success. I can open previous years and the current year, but my file for 2007 never will open, and gives the error "there was an error parsing the file..." I have searched and searched online for somebody with a similar problem, but nothing even looks remotely familiar.
01:31:35 <ChinaCoop> Problem specifics:
01:36:08 <ChinaCoop> If memory serves (but it was a very long time ago), I was trying to replicate all the accounts and such from 2007 for my 2008 file. I thought all had gone well, and went on with life, backed up my bad file, and found out much later that I could not open 2007 (and I seriously need into that file for business records). That is WHEN the problem happened, I think, but I cannot think of any practical way I would have tried to copy the files except maybe copying
01:38:44 <ChinaCoop> I am using Ubuntu 8.10, but just switched from 7.04. I do not know if this would come in any, but somewhere in there, I switched to 7.10, it was too glitchy and I switched back to 7.04 and waited till 8.10. I do not think it is a Linux distribution version problem, though, because all the other files work, and the new version of GnuCash (I am using 2.2.6) should open anything anyway, right?
01:39:03 <ChinaCoop> That is the (wordy) question. Thank you, in advance, for any help you could provide.
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02:07:49 <warlord> ChinaCoop: um, if the file doesn't open... what does /tmp/gnucash.trace say?
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04:15:25 <cris> hi all
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12:50:42 <Jock1> I want to start using GnuCash. Currently I have accounts, transactions, Customers, Vendors etc. in a spreadsheet. Is there a website where I can read about how to import all the data? (I've found scripts about converting the transaction data to QIF but not all the other accounting data).
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12:51:20 <warlord> there is no customer/vendor import.
12:51:24 <warlord> only accounts and transactions
12:52:38 <Jock1> Cannot invoice data be imported either?
12:56:57 <warlord> Nope.
13:00:57 <Jock1> I see, I guess there is some manual work then. There seems to be several ways to import data such as using scripts, macros etc. but I do not know which method is the simplest. Do you/someone else have a link to a simple method?
13:01:33 <warlord> Well, you could write some scripts to do it, I suppose.
13:03:41 <Jock1> Yes, if I was capable... I'll just stay in this channel for some hours to see if someone happens to have a link. warlord, thanks for helping me, I guess I could have googled for hours to find out how to import the other data, but now that I know it's not possible I save that time.
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13:12:37 <andrewsw> good morning. Time to hack away on this dialog some more...
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13:38:39 <andrewsw> grr... how do I get a window reference (GncMainWindow) into scheme. I had it working yesterday, and now I've lost it...
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13:54:21 <warlord> I know there's a way..
13:54:51 <andrewsw> I know, I just had it yesterday in a really simple proof-of-concept function and I've since written over it... argh
13:55:38 <andrewsw> and I'm getting incompatible pointer type when doing scm_call_2(some_func, some_data, window) where window is a GncMainWindow*
13:58:33 <warlord> is it a GncMainWindow* or a <swig-pointer GncMainWindow*> ?
14:01:26 <andrewsw> well, when it gets into the scheme side and I (display) it, I seem to recall that it was the swig pointer.
14:01:37 <andrewsw> on the C side it is currently a GncMainWindow*
14:01:52 <andrewsw> I thought I had just passed it in raw that way.
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14:07:04 <warlord> I'm pretty sure if you can scm_call_2() you need to pass in SCM objects.
14:07:13 <warlord> so you need to swig-wrap the pointer.
14:08:31 <andrewsw> I'm so sure I didn't do anything fancy with it yesterday, but maybe I did. I've no idea how to swig-wrap a pointer.
14:08:54 <warlord> Me either... But maybe look at the qif import code?
14:11:46 <andrewsw> man I hate mucking around in C. I always feel like I'm cobbling things together with spit and baling wire
14:12:47 <warlord> LOL
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15:02:07 <andrewsw> YAY! *finally* can run a report from my dialog...
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15:09:49 <warlord> What did you have to do?
15:24:56 <andrewsw> oh, I actually run the report from the c side (completely bypassing how to get the window into scheme). actually, it wasn't that hard. much harder was the figuring out of how to do it.
15:25:23 <warlord> gnc_report_run()? ;)
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15:28:23 <andrewsw> seriously?
15:28:26 * andrewsw greps
15:28:46 <andrewsw> naw, but it's pretty close to that.
15:29:24 <warlord> Ah, gnc_run_report()
15:35:57 <andrewsw> aw crap. here's what I did, http://pastebin.ca/1370823
15:36:03 <andrewsw> still pretty simple.
15:36:21 <andrewsw> what is the report id referred to in that code?
15:38:10 <warlord> the report_id is the . umm.. report-id.
15:39:16 <warlord> That is pretty simple.
15:39:20 <andrewsw> except that it is some string that needs to munged a bit
15:39:34 <warlord> I suspect (without looking) that gnc_main_window_open_report() internally eventually calls gnc_run_report()
15:40:20 <andrewsw> actually it's hooked up to some callback (gnc_html_report_stream_cb)
15:41:10 <andrewsw> I definitely get lost heading up from there...
15:41:30 <andrewsw> But I don't think I'm doing anything wrong. this is essentially the same thing the scheme code does when it launches a report.
15:45:22 <warlord> No, I agree. I think you're fine.
15:45:43 <andrewsw> phew. not that it doesn't leak like a sieve at the moment...
15:47:00 <warlord> Heh... we can fix that.
15:48:48 <andrewsw> yeah. gotta run p/u a kid. be back later. thanks, as always, for listening
15:49:05 <warlord> You're welcome.
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16:39:21 <Lucky> hello?
16:39:52 <Lucky> i need some help with GNUCash
16:40:33 <Lucky> is anyone here?
16:42:57 <Lucky> hello?
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16:43:12 <Lucky> hello?
16:43:22 <Lucky> warlord, can you help me?
16:43:32 <warlord> umm, maybe?
16:44:08 <Lucky> How do you change the place where GNUCash saves itself?
16:44:43 <warlord> A couple ways. You could File -> Save As and select a new location. Or you could "move" the file in the file system and then File -> Open the new location.
16:45:06 <Lucky> and that would change the Auto-save option?
16:45:46 <warlord> Of course.
16:45:59 <warlord> Auto-save saves to wherever your data file is.
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16:50:02 <Lucky> warlord: i tried putting all the save logs into one folder and opening it from within the program, but it says it "cant parse the URL"
16:52:12 <Lucky> anyone?
16:52:21 <Lucky> SebastianHeld: any ideas?
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16:54:31 <Lucky> hello?
16:56:09 <Lucky> fuck this. this hat is way too slow
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17:00:00 <andrewsw> wow, that was interesting
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17:12:33 <andrewsw> what do we have available in terms of warning dialogs, confirmation dialogs, etc?
17:12:52 <andrewsw> that is already builtin (Much like gnc:warn)
17:25:51 <andrewsw> gtk_message_dialog works
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17:33:07 <andrewsw> sweet! successfully deleted a report!
17:33:16 <andrewsw> and had it persist across runs!
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18:06:06 <andrewsw> okay, I'm out. I feel good. new dialog mostly wired in, runs and deletes reports! :-)
18:06:20 <warlord> SweetT!!!!
18:07:18 <andrewsw> yeah, I'm happy. now it's just book-keeping to get it done.
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18:16:08 <warlord> Have fun.
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19:44:59 <rgsteele||work> Question about paychecks and split transactions. Instead of just depositing the net pay in to my checking account, I want to split the net pay in to a bunch of pots I have in my assets (e.g., X dollars of the net pay gets put into the car maintenance fund, Y dollars of the net pay gets put in to an emergency fun, etc). Am I going to have to use two separate transactions? One for the...
19:45:01 <rgsteele||work> ...deposit into the checking account, and a second split transactions which transfers the cash in to the various assets?
19:45:37 <rgsteele||work> Because, I'm not sure I can have a single split transaction that deposits in to the checking, and then subsequently withdraws from checking and deposits into other assets.
19:49:42 <jsled> rgsteele||work: you can.
19:55:07 <rgsteele||work> jsled: How? I have the initial transaction line that deposits in to checking. If I split that transaction, should I just make the rest of the operations in the split withdraw from checking, put the asset I want to transfer *to* in the transfer column, and populate the 'withdraw' column with the dollar amount?
19:55:11 <warlord> rgsteele||work: you can, but you might be better off ignoring the 'deposit into main checking' and just go straight into the pots.
19:55:52 <rgsteele||work> warlord: I thought I'd tried that and it complained that the split was tied to the account (or something to that effect). But maybe I just zigged where I should have zagged.
19:55:57 <rgsteele||work> I can give it another shot.
19:56:59 <warlord> You wont be able to do it from your checking account.
19:58:02 <rgsteele||work> Erm, then where would I do it from? I don't want to have to do it from each of the pots individually.
19:58:12 <rgsteele||work> There's too many, it would be terribly inefficient.
19:59:44 <warlord> You dont have to do it from all the pots.. Just pick one.
20:00:04 <warlord> Or do it from your Income account (although that might make your head hurt becasue it's somewhat backwards)
20:00:12 <warlord> Do you understand what a split transaction is?
20:01:37 <rgsteele||work> Yeah, splitting 3 or more transactions in to multiple accounts.
20:01:51 <rgsteele||work> Hm, it does looks like it's letting me to right in to the individual pots
20:02:03 <warlord> RIGHT...
20:02:06 <rgsteele||work> Musta made a mis-step the last time around.
20:02:21 <warlord> But it's one transaction that touches multiple accounts...
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20:02:30 <warlord> You just need to /be/ in one of those accounts to enter it.
20:02:32 <warlord> (or use the GL)
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20:03:51 <warlord> or i guess you can just quit
20:03:59 <goodger> \o/
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20:05:49 <rgsteele||work> warlord: I've synced my transactions between my bank account and gnucash. Now I'm taking the net pay that hit my account from my paycheck, and sending it straight to the individual asset pots instead of the checking account proper.
20:06:26 <warlord> Oh, the importers wont deal with that.
20:07:27 <rgsteele||work> Am I better served, then, by just leaving the one net pay deposit in to the checking account alone, and creating a new split transaction that withdraws from checking and deposits into the pots?
20:08:19 <warlord> Probably, if you plan to continue to import your paycheck..
20:09:18 <rgsteele||work> Yeah, I want to be able to sync up my bank txn's with my gnucash account register on an ongoing basis.
20:09:25 <rgsteele||work> Ok, thanks for that info.
20:11:33 <ChinaCoop> I have been struggling for months to open a GnuCash file without success. I can open previous year's and the current year, but my file for 2007 (I have a new file for each year) never will open, and says "there was an error parsing the file..."
20:12:24 <warlord> ChinaCoop: what's printed on the terminal and what's in gnucash.trace?
20:12:43 <ChinaCoop> should I dump all those lines of .trace here?
20:13:01 <warlord> no. copy no more than 3 here..
20:14:04 <ChinaCoop> * 14:03:41 CRIT <gnc.io> [dom_tree_handlers_all_gotten_p()] Not defined and it should be: act:type
20:14:05 <ChinaCoop> * 14:03:41 CRIT <gnc.io> [dom_tree_generic_parse()] didn't find all of the expected tags in the input
20:14:05 <ChinaCoop> * 14:03:41 CRIT <gnc.io> [dom_tree_to_account()] failed to parse account tree
20:14:38 <warlord> That's.... interesting.
20:14:56 <warlord> That Seems to imply that the data file is fine but it's GnuCash...
20:15:02 <warlord> What OS/Distro?
20:15:45 <ChinaCoop> Ubuntu 8.10 with GnuCash 2.2.6, but problem started many moons ago. Was in Ubuntu 7.04, to 7.10, then back to 7.04.
20:16:09 <warlord> Did you ever try to build gnucash from source?
20:16:50 <warlord> this error seems to imply that it's not loading the proper xml backend module(s)
20:16:53 <ChinaCoop> never tried...just downloaded the package from the software update/downloader
20:17:13 <ChinaCoop> what does that mean?
20:17:15 <ChinaCoop> :)
20:17:18 <warlord> Do you feel comfortable sending me your data file?
20:17:33 <ChinaCoop> yeah...sure
20:17:39 <warlord> warlord at mit dot edu
20:17:58 <warlord> I promise to delete it after it either works (or fails) here.
20:18:03 <ChinaCoop> the data file is just the basic gzipped file without any extentions, right?
20:18:09 <warlord> right
20:18:18 <ChinaCoop> ok, give me just a sec
20:18:19 <warlord> that's the file you're trying to File -> Open
20:18:27 <ChinaCoop> right
20:18:55 <warlord> but "what does that mean?" --- the error means that the XML backend isn't finding something that's needed to read the data file. What's failing, I dont know.
20:20:18 <ChinaCoop> hm, weird.
20:20:22 <ChinaCoop> Just sent the data file
20:20:47 <ChinaCoop> Like I said, my other files work...the one for 2006, 2008, and 2009 all work just fine.
20:21:05 <ChinaCoop> ...and have with different GnuCash versions and different Ubuntu versions.
20:22:16 <warlord> It's /possible/ the data file is corrupt.
20:22:58 <ChinaCoop> what would have caused that...that may be too broad a question, I know.
20:24:40 <warlord> Ah, I see.. I misread the error. The parser is trying to validate the XML and noticed that there's an account structure that doesn't have an act:type defined.
20:24:42 <ChinaCoop> I have had some other issues with my tar backup scheme. Some of my tar files were messed up somehow or another. Though everything else in this tar-ed folder was fine, maybe that did something.
20:24:53 <warlord> Hense the "Not defined and it should be: act:type"
20:24:56 <ChinaCoop> that sounds good, actually, right?
20:27:06 <warlord> Maybe...
20:27:18 <warlord> I dont see any accounts without an act:type.
20:28:01 <warlord> Oh, there is one.
20:28:38 <warlord> Ahh, the ROOT Account.
20:28:52 <warlord> Did you somehow go from 2.2 -> 2.0 at some point?
20:29:41 <warlord> Yep, that was it.
20:29:46 <warlord> Okay, here's what you need to do:
20:29:49 <warlord> gunzip the data file.
20:29:56 <warlord> open it up in your editor (emacs, vi, whatever)
20:30:02 <ChinaCoop> ok
20:30:09 <warlord> look for the "Root Account"
20:30:16 <warlord> and delete the whole xml section from:
20:30:35 <warlord> <gnc:account version="2.0.0">
20:30:35 <warlord> <act:name>Root Account</act:name>
20:30:35 <warlord> <act:id type="guid">a56ddb56b84e2c9ab8ea3db4b8e057a4</act:id>
20:30:35 <warlord> <act:commodity-scu>0</act:commodity-scu>
20:30:35 <warlord> </gnc:account>
20:31:31 <warlord> Or....
20:31:36 <warlord> you can add this to that section:
20:31:40 <warlord> <act:type>ROOT</act:type>
20:32:03 <ChinaCoop> which would be better, in your opinion?
20:32:09 <warlord> Umm....
20:32:16 <warlord> PROBABLY adding the type.
20:32:22 <ChinaCoop> can do
20:32:49 <warlord> Not sure why it's missing that...
20:33:54 <ChinaCoop> um...I tried gunzip and it did not function because of no suffix.
20:34:04 <ChinaCoop> Silly, but what should I do there.
20:34:21 <warlord> put a .gz on the end?
20:34:40 <ChinaCoop> funny. got it
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20:36:14 <ChinaCoop> is that section pretty close to the top?
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20:38:31 <warlord> Honestly, not sure.
20:38:41 <warlord> I didn't get a line-no
20:39:05 <ChinaCoop> I will look around, but every bit of those phrases you gave seem to appear in multiple places across the file
20:44:59 <ChinaCoop> Holy Cow...it worked!
20:45:34 <ChinaCoop> I just opened the file for the first time in ....well, more than a year!
20:46:06 <ChinaCoop> I had some business investment records in there and REALLY needed to know exactly who had how much invested.
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20:47:15 <ChinaCoop> Hey, warlord, are you one of the maintainers for the project?
20:47:50 <warlord> yes.
20:47:53 <warlord> (glad it worked)
20:49:34 <ChinaCoop> I assume there is some kind of fund to help support GnuCash.
20:50:35 <warlord> There's a tip jar, yes. Look for the donation link on the website.
20:51:45 <rgsteele||work> Ugh. Just spent 20 minutes generating a checking account split transaction, hit 'Enter', and the entire split transaction disappeared, and instead became deposits only in the individual pots, effectively doubling the net pay deposit.
20:56:55 <warlord> you entered it backwards.
20:56:59 <ChinaCoop> Sorry warlord, my son got something in his eye and I had to run off for "disaster relief". I am so very thankful for your help and the excellent community around GnuCash that has helped me solve this. My months of Google-ing certainly did not tell me to add that one line to the file. Thanks a million...well, I might not give a million, but I will certainly help out. I love yous guys :)
20:57:01 <warlord> Didn't we talk about this once already?
20:57:26 <warlord> I'll note that this is an odd issue.. I have no idea where it came from, or why..
20:57:36 <warlord> and I had to have knowledge of the data file format to look at it.
20:57:43 <warlord> So I'm not surprised google failed.
20:58:37 <ChinaCoop> I will sign off now, but thanks again.
20:59:22 <rgsteele||work> warlord: Ah, I guess each pot should have been a withdraw, not a deposit..
21:00:33 <warlord> I believe so..... Because you're "withdrawing" that money from the current account.
21:00:44 <warlord> (it's much easier for me to think in terms of debits and credits...)
21:01:15 <rgsteele||work> Yeah, you're right, I did have it backwards.
21:01:23 <rgsteele||work> Thanks for the clue stick beating.
21:02:04 <warlord> I can only hit you with it so hard... Eventually you'll have to be like the albino and do it yourself.
21:03:07 <warlord> anyways I need to migrate. I'll be back shortly.
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21:36:27 <rgsteele||work> Urgh, this is driving me nuts. When I see a transaction line synced from my bank account, it shows an $X deposit into the checking account, from Imbalance-USD, in the 'Deposit' column. If I click the 'Split' button, it then lists two entries - an $X amount in the 'Deposit' column from 'Asset:Current Assets:Checking Account', and the same $X amount in the 'Withdraw' column from 'Imbalance-USD'.
21:38:00 <rgsteele||work> Shouldn't there really only be 1 line for that transaction? $X under 'Deposit', from 'Imbalance-USD'?
21:38:34 <rgsteele||work> (Which will actually become from 'Income', but the principle remains - why does the 'Split' button generate two lines for a single action?
21:39:59 <rgsteele||work> I guess I don't understand which column represents the credit, and which represents the debit, in the 'split'.
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21:45:39 <warlord> Well, the "Imbalance-USD" is because you're not properly assigning the correct Income account.
21:45:57 <warlord> But a balanced transaction has at least two splits, and the debits == credits.
21:46:44 <warlord> so in your case it's debiting your checking and crediting Imblance-USD.
21:58:00 <rgsteele||work> Yeah, I figured it out. I think I need to take one day when my brain hasn't shut off after a hard day's work to sit down and set up the account initially :)
22:08:46 <warlord> that would help.
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