2009-03-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:26:28 <KaiForce> Is the Generic Import Transaction Matcher not very good?
08:26:36 <KaiForce> or am I doing something wrong?
08:27:18 <KaiForce> I've got a check that matches an uncleared previous check in amount and by check # and it doesn't show it as a possible match.
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09:51:10 <warlord> KaiForce: did you turn on Bayesian Matching?
09:56:47 <KaiForce> warlord, i found that and I enabled it. It looks like that's what I needed.
09:56:52 <KaiForce> thanks!
09:57:08 <warlord> you're welcome
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11:45:33 <danols> hi
11:46:20 <danols> having a rental property, should I setup up the income as an A/R account type? or normal income account
11:51:26 <danols> also what do you guys suggest if I wish to track my personal finances and my business finances, two seperate files or just simply create account prepended with Personal and Business words, i.e. Personal Assets, Business Assets etc.
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12:09:15 <awilkins> Is there an easy way to match transactions in "Imbalace" to accounts en-masse?
12:09:40 <jsled> no. there's generally no batch operations on transactions
12:10:04 <jsled> you could rototill the datafile, if there's some pattern to exploit, though, and you're comfortable doing that.
12:10:28 <awilkins> I've just dwonloaded about 6 years worth of OFX transactions from my bank to get started :-(
12:11:16 <jsled> If you import them in phases, the importer should learn the matches, and apply them to subsequent imports
12:11:30 <jsled> Make sure "Bayesian matching" is enabled in the prefs, first, though.
12:11:52 <awilkins> I thought that might work
12:12:07 <awilkins> Guess I'll start again (humph) :-)
12:12:25 <awilkins> Something akin to "mail sorting" rules would be awesome
12:12:33 <awilkins> Regex matching, etc.
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12:43:41 <danols> That's what I was wondering as well, so there is no way to match imported transactions hmmm, what is Bayesian matching ?
12:44:14 <jsled> danols: not after the import.
12:44:23 <jsled> The importers have matching procedures.
12:44:37 <jsled> "Bayesian matching" is the application of Bayesian logic to the matching process.
12:45:27 <danols> jsled where would I setup the matching patterns settings I couldn't locate any in the import OFX/QFX dialog box
12:46:08 <jsled> You don't setup patterns. You map the transactions to accounts. It's more "learn by example" than "setup rules"
12:46:21 <danols> I see
12:46:24 <jsled> I've never used the OFX importer, so I don't know the dialog.
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12:46:45 <danols> so just to make sure I understand once I fix the imbalanced transactions it should match them on future imports?
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13:13:18 <jsled> danols: no, not if you fix the imbalanced transactions after the fact.
13:13:27 <jsled> It only learns through actions you take during the import process itself.
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13:44:33 <awilkins> Arrgh, I wish I'd read that ^^
13:44:52 * awilkins just fixed a year of transactions
13:49:04 <awilkins> Man, "teaching" the import process is really tedious.
13:49:51 <awilkins> I wish you could set the split account the same way you do in the main UI ; by typing colon-seperated values
13:50:58 <awilkins> Or teach it from existing transactions
13:52:11 <awilkins> What's the source in, git?
13:53:04 <awilkins> Ah, svn
13:55:55 <danols> jsled : hey guys do you suggest I use A/R type account for income from rental properties ? or just a simple Income type account
14:00:53 <jsled> danols: uh, I'd have answered if I cared to the previous two times you asked.
14:01:15 <jsled> in short, it's up to how much detail you want in your accounting.
14:01:23 <danols> jsled sorry I must have missed it
14:01:25 <KaiForce> danols: I'm not certain this is the right answer, but I would set that up as an income account.
14:01:41 <jsled> danols: no, I'm saying I didn't answer before.
14:02:26 <danols> jsled: either way thanks
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15:14:34 <danols> Ok I am reading the section about gains and unrealized gains, in my example that I am working on the unrealized income is showing as a profit in the totals located at the bottom (the status bar), is there a way to avoid this? It makes it look like I have made profit sale already
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15:16:01 <danols> crap I hidden an account how do I unhide it?
15:17:32 <jsled> turn off the hide filter, properties, unhide, turn on hide filter.
15:19:50 <danols> I did that but it's not showing it
15:20:14 <danols> I can see it in the account edit dialog box structure
15:20:21 <danols> but it's still not showing in the main window
15:20:23 <danols> bug?
15:20:45 <jsled> Maybe create another Accounts tab, see if it reinitializes?
15:20:55 <danols> i see
15:20:55 <danols> k
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15:21:29 <danols> how?
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15:22:19 <jsled> File > New > Accounts Tab, something like that?
15:23:21 <danols> Nope
15:23:31 <danols> still not shwoing
15:24:33 <danols> ok i opened up my last saved file
15:24:36 <danols> this is a serious bug
15:26:52 <danols> And when you save it with the 'hidden' account and close and reload gnu cash it still dosen't show the account
15:28:10 <danols> Anyone know a work arround?
15:30:17 <jsled> 2.2.9 works for me to "show hidden accounts".
15:30:28 <jsled> Is "show zero-balance accounts" enabled? Is it a zero-balance account
15:30:30 <jsled> ?
15:31:24 <danols> Hmmm I have 2.2.8 Portable Win version
15:31:31 <danols> Show Zero-balance accounts is enabled
15:31:50 <jsled> I don't think anything substantial changed between 2.2.8 and 2.2.9 in that area.
15:32:16 <danols> I got it working
15:32:41 <danols> This is wierd but the work arround was to check show hidden accounts then tougle show zero-balance accounts which refreshed the list and showed the accounts
15:33:01 <danols> s/tougle/toggle
15:33:27 <danols> wierd
15:36:46 <danols> wtf even though the hidden box are not check when I remove the 'Show Hidden Accounts' it still hides them!
15:37:13 <jsled> did you close the account edit properties dialog?
15:38:08 <danols> no i didn't
15:38:10 <danols> sorry
15:38:26 <danols> thank you
15:38:28 <jsled> yeah ... gotta do that to actually apply the checkbox state.
15:39:01 <danols> i thought I did but It was just bringing back the dialog box into focuse whenever I clicked properties
15:39:11 <danols> s/focuse/focus
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15:57:17 <danols> I have a bank chequing account that is attached to a credit line, how would you recommend I represent it? It only becomes a loan when balance drops below 0 other times it acts as a normal chequing account
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15:58:48 <warlord> Um, just keep it as an asset and remmeber that a Liability is a negative asset.
16:01:52 <danols> hmmm and the interest charges or interest earned I could represent by having 'Income' and 'Expense' accounts?
16:02:29 <warlord> Yep
16:02:55 <danols> Can GnuCash do this automaticly if I select account type credit card?
16:03:49 <warlord> No, because CC != Bank
16:04:44 <danols> K
16:05:11 <danols> is there a way for GnuCash to automaticly calculate the interest if my chequing account drops below zero and make a transaction in my expense account?
16:05:22 <jsled> yup
16:05:23 <jsled> er.
16:05:25 <jsled> no.
16:05:27 <jsled> sorry.
16:05:29 <danols> ohhh :(
16:05:37 <danols> what can it automate?
16:05:45 <warlord> No, gnucash cannot automatically compute the interest.
16:05:48 <jsled> pretty much nothing except regularly-occuring transactions.
16:06:40 <danols> well now that I think about it my bank statement would have a transaction 'interest charged' and gnucash would learn to recognize that and put in in expense account from chequing account...right?
16:09:20 <warlord> It should, yes, provided it's clearly marked differently for Income vs Expense interest.
16:10:16 <danols> ok how do I 'train' gnucash during the import period the window it gives me dosen't have any controls
16:10:29 <danols> file format is OCX
16:11:49 <warlord> Just select it correctly.
16:12:11 <danols> I can't select anything
16:12:59 <danols> I can click the R and A boxes and the info says New Unbalanced
16:13:03 <warlord> You can tell it which account it goes to.
16:13:11 <warlord> Double-click.
16:13:14 <warlord> (I think)
16:13:29 <danols> <slap on forehead>
16:14:07 <danols> however I suggest that the little HELP button should say Double click to select account where transaction should go
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19:52:46 <smacnay> For billing a business, shold I have one "Accounts Receivable" account for all customers I bill or should I have a separate a/r for each customer I bill?
19:53:18 <jsled> AIUI, It's one A/R for all customers.
19:53:39 <jsled> (and, really, it's one A/R per currency, but that's probably unrelated to your scenario)
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19:58:55 <smacnay> yes, thanks - I will unpost these separate a/r's and make one. Top level account?
19:59:43 <warlord> I keep mine under "Assets"
20:00:00 <smacnay> makes sense -
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