2009-03-06 GnuCash IRC logs
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11:26:54 <joslwah> warlord, Any ideas about the bug in bugzilla about "why does the open subaccounts page not have a balance?" I'm starting to hit it and am wondering whether there is a good reason for the current situation.
11:28:42 <warlord> Haven't even looked at it. But... balances are done per-split in the account. The balances are not computed in the register.
11:28:59 <warlord> So when you open subaccounts the balance column shouldn't show up because the values are meaningless.
11:34:34 <joslwah> warlord, In my case they are meaningful.
11:34:52 <joslwah> I have a bank account, in which I have virtual accounts that the bank doesn't see.
11:35:31 <joslwah> The subaccounts report would give me the actual amount in the account as the bank sees it, rather than the amount in the account minus the amounts in the subaccounts (virtual) that I currently see.
11:36:30 <warlord> See what I said before -- the balance values are not computed on the fly -- they are pre-computed for the account. So open subaccounts would intersperse the various sub-account balances which is not what you'd want or expect.
11:39:28 <joslwah> What if it were to calculate the current total at each point.
11:40:07 <joslwah> I.e. you regard it as this report as the sum of all the subaccounts, and report the balance as the sum.
11:40:18 <joslwah> Speaking hypothetically.
11:40:22 <joslwah> Would that make sense?
11:46:08 <warlord> It would be a refresh nightmare..
11:46:38 <warlord> Lots and lots and LOTS of computations on every screen refresh... Because you could never cache the results.. (nowhere to cache them)
12:07:07 <joslwah> Hmmm. O.k. That kinda answers the question.
12:20:02 <warlord> Now, you could run a report..
12:23:21 <joslwah> Yeah. I'm more looking for something that just tells me the current balance and the balance after each of the transactions that have been entered to occur in the next few days!
12:23:31 <joslwah> I.e. exactly what the normal report gives.
12:23:50 <joslwah> I can get an instantaneous one for one point in time by using the Accounts summary.
12:24:23 <joslwah> I suspect the answer is either to declare that it will be too CPU expensive or to make it an option with a warning that it could slow things down.
12:25:20 <warlord> You're welcome to send in a patch that does that.
12:37:57 <joslwah> Yeah. I was just feeling it was better to know what and why I was getting myself into!
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15:36:26 <coolmani> I'm having trouble splitting transaction Windows version of gnuCash, ver 2.2.9. Can anyone help?
15:37:17 <warlord> what kind of trouble?
15:38:19 <coolmani> I'm splitting a deposit of $62 , but the end line where it is suppose to show withdraw of $62, instead shows 124. I have a screen capture if that would be morwe helpful.
15:39:49 <warlord> Sure. My guess is that you're putting the splits in the wrong column.
15:40:44 <coolmani> Not very familiar with IRC cnahhels. How do I upload the image file?
15:41:59 <warlord> http://imagebin.ca
15:43:08 <coolmani> Here it is: http://imagebin.ca/view/vOCSiip.html
15:43:36 <warlord> Right, as I said, you put the splits in the wrong column.
15:44:04 <warlord> Have you looked at the tutorial and concepts guide?
15:44:15 <coolmani> I did
15:44:16 <jsled> Or the column headings? :)
15:45:26 <coolmani> I put $62 at the deposit column, as well the split
15:45:41 <coolmani> what column should they go?
15:46:29 <jsled> Well, the transaction needs to balance. So, the other column.
15:46:33 <warlord> well, is the $62 a deposit or a withdrawal from this account?
15:47:04 <jsled> It'd be 62 on the deposit side, and 30 and 32 on the withdrawl side. Presumably those are to Income accounts or something? And this is an Asset/Bank account?
15:48:53 <coolmani> This is a cash deposit into a bank
15:49:18 <coolmani> total is $62, which is split 30 and 32 from 2 other accounts
15:49:51 <warlord> presumable from income or other asset accounts. So those 30 and 32 should be credits to those accounts, and the 62 a debit to this one.
15:50:03 <warlord> (in this case, debit == deposit, credit == withdrawal).
15:50:20 <warlord> Because... you're withdrawing 30 (and 32) from those other accounts and depositing it (62) into this one
15:52:12 <coolmani> but if I d that, it looks like I'm withdrawing 32 and 32 respectively from my bank account to put into these other accounts
15:54:59 <warlord> Please, go read the docs.
15:55:12 <warlord> This is all "double-entry accounting 101"
15:56:46 <coolmani> I am reading the docs, specifically the paycheck example
15:57:43 <coolmani> I'm am expecting the last line to read $62 not $124
15:58:19 <warlord> coolmani: it's reading 124 because you put the splits in the wrong side.
15:58:41 <warlord> ... which jsled and I have already explained.
15:59:01 <coolmani> just like the last line here reads $1000; http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/guide/txns-registers1.html#txns-registers-multiaccount2
15:59:24 <warlord> GnuCash is doing exactly what you're telling it to do.. You're telling it that you're putting $62 into account 1, $30 into account 2, $32 into account 3.. and it's asking you wehre that $124 is comingn from.
16:01:14 <coolmani> according to the manual line 1 and 2 have to be exactly the same (which I'm not sure why)
16:02:24 <warlord> Ignore the first line.
16:02:33 <warlord> It's a duplicate of the second line.
16:03:42 <coolmani> does the second line have to have the name of the bank account?
16:04:45 <warlord> yes
16:05:17 <warlord> because it's the *this* account
16:06:54 <coolmani> Getting back to my original question. I am depositing $62 in my account. Line 2 I put $62 into *this* account. Line 3 I put split 1, $30 from another account in the deposit column. Line 4 is the second split, $32 from another account.
16:07:04 <coolmani> Am I doing it wrong?
16:07:10 <warlord> yes..
16:07:42 <warlord> lines 3 and 4 aren't deposits
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16:07:51 <coolmani> how do I input htis transaction, because the tutorial just shows a picture
16:08:18 <coolmani> do i list them as withdraws?
16:08:34 <warlord> yes, because you pulling money from those accounts.
16:09:06 <coolmani> thank you for your patience.
16:09:38 <coolmani> I'm moving from quicken so some things are a little different here.
16:10:08 <warlord> yeah, we have real double entry.. quicken doesnt
16:11:02 <coolmani> thanks. Have a good one
16:14:50 <warlord> you too.
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16:48:02 <Axsuul> whats the most elegant way to do this? i buy groceries for $28.00, however, i pick up milk for $6.00 for a friend. so i want to split the transaction ($22.00 for groceries, $6.00 for debts owed). is there any way to do this in GnuCash?
16:48:31 <jsled> yup
16:48:40 <jsled> Using a Split. :)
16:48:48 <jsled> http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/guide/txns-registers1.html#txns-registers-multiaccount2
16:49:09 <jsled> So, the easiest way to ground your thinking about this is that $28 came out of your checking account, no matter how you interpret it.
16:49:33 <jsled> So that's one Split. The other two are probably Expenses:Groceries and Assets:Friend:Money Owed to Me
16:59:14 <Axsuul> hmm alright thanks!
16:59:40 <Axsuul> what financial software did u come from jsled
17:00:44 <jsled> none, really. Was looking around for something years ago, and found xaccountant (which became GnuCash)
17:12:18 <Axsuul> ah ok
17:12:49 <Axsuul> when you do your taxes, is it easy to keep track of everything in GnuCash
17:15:49 <jsled> I don't know, I've never tried, really.
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17:21:14 <warlord> I print out a Balance Sheet, P&L, and Txn Report and send it to my accountant.
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19:58:17 <Bob> hi, here is my question...I just saw quicken for the 1st time today (yes, Gnucash is my 1st accounting software ever), and I saw that it has a "recipient" function....anything of the kind in Gnucash?
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20:01:23 <Bob> well, I'm not sure it is called "recipient", because I saw the French version of Quicken, and "recipient" what I could come up with as a translation, it basically means "the person or organisation where my money spent goes to"
20:03:53 <goodger> Bob: perhaps that information might go in the notes field of the journal? further, if they are important, they will probably have their own account, and be recorded thus
20:05:28 <Bob> that was my reasoning as well so far...I was just wondering....
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