2009-03-01 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:16:52 <elnino> hi... I hear that I can export gnucash to xml.. but I'm not finding it. Can someone point me to the right menu select?
01:16:59 <elnino> s/select?/selection?
01:17:20 <elnino> I thought it would be "export" but it only gives me a list of accounts.
01:17:28 <elnino> I need the transactions in xml format.
01:17:38 <elnino> I also tried the transaction report.
01:57:06 <elnino> hello?
01:57:23 <elnino> Also wondering how to get rid of splits, or how to view all transactions in split mode.
01:59:27 <elnino> when you reconcile a set of transactions. Is it supposed to create splits for all the transactions? it seems to be doing that.
02:14:55 <elnino> Is the tutorial and concepts guide in pdf?
02:38:13 <cast|lir> ahmm
02:38:31 <cast|lir> is the gnucash format in xml?
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08:19:14 <linas> warlord www.gnucah.org has address 99.153.64.179
08:20:45 <linas> master dns is at 99.153.64.178
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08:54:49 <warlord> linas: yeah...
08:54:51 <warlord> host www.gnucash.org
08:54:51 <warlord> www.gnucash.org has address 99.153.64.179
08:57:46 <warlord> (and I put .178 as the master just like you said)
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09:33:31 <joslwah> warlord, Quick question. Is there anything to stop you just copying one gnucash file to another? I want to try some stuff out and perhaps run two sets of accounts for a while. Can I just copy the main file and then mess around with the bits I want?
09:33:48 <joslwah> I.e. Are there any internal references to stop this working?
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09:48:08 <warlord> joslwah: you mean something like "cp foo bar; File -> Open bar"? Works just as you'd expect it to.
09:48:28 <joslwah> warlord, Actually, I did, cp foo bar;gnucash bar.
09:48:34 <joslwah> And it is working so far!
09:48:38 <warlord> That's effectively the same.
09:49:26 <joslwah> Realised I wanted to rearrange how I wrote a whole load of transactions and so thought it was better to update things on a spare copy.
09:49:39 <warlord> Ok.
09:49:45 <joslwah> If you later cp bar foo, are there any gotchas, from things being stored in .gnucash?
09:50:30 <warlord> Not really. If you started from the same account file then all your account GUIDs should be the same
09:50:59 <joslwah> But if you've added extra accounts in the middle? Assuming you haven't added extras ones to foo.
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10:11:27 <warlord> shouldn't be a problem.
10:13:28 <joslwah> Great.
10:32:50 <linas> thanks warlord. Despite my best efforts, I still managed to mangle DNS. Its a lot more subtle than just changing TTL in advance
10:33:10 <warlord> How did you mangle it?
10:33:14 <linas> traffic has fallen off a cliff, I guess it will take days to propagate through
10:33:44 <warlord> Well, you need to bring the ttl low and then wait the old-ttl time for stuff to fall off.
10:33:46 <linas> well, I forgot to announce the new address from the old nameserver
10:34:07 <linas> I brouught ttl low for days, that' not the problem
10:34:11 <warlord> And the old nameserver is now gone?
10:34:24 <linas> the old nameserver switched to the new address
10:34:43 <linas> and so your nameserver never found out about the new address
10:34:58 <linas> and so it broadcast the old addr
10:35:08 <warlord> I fixed that last night.
10:35:40 <linas> well, as of this moring, it was still handing out the wrong address
10:35:49 <linas> its ok now
10:36:31 <warlord> Huh. Yeah, it's handing out the right info now.
10:36:40 <linas> with such a short ttl, I don't know why it didn't do the right thing last night
10:37:32 <linas> meanwhile, I guess there's still a bunch of caches out there with the old addr, since traffic has fallen off a cliff, and doesn't even have the vaguest hint of recovering yet.
10:37:43 <linas> err ... can you png gnucash.org?
10:38:37 <warlord> not from here..
10:38:43 <warlord> --- www.gnucash.org ping statistics ---
10:38:43 <warlord> 6 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 5262ms
10:38:58 <linas> and you're pinging the right addr?
10:39:10 <linas> traceroute?
10:39:11 <warlord> Yep:
10:39:12 <warlord> PING www.gnucash.org (99.153.64.179) 56(84) bytes of data.
10:39:18 <linas> damn
10:39:57 <warlord> I get as far as 75.8.139.9
10:40:13 <warlord> But lots of loss after 151.164.190.52
10:41:14 <warlord> traceroute gets to here and stops:
10:41:15 <warlord> 12 76-253-78-239.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net (76.253.78.239) 121.224 ms 118.763 ms 118.914 ms
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10:41:51 <linas> ok I gotta reboot this router
10:41:52 <linas> brb
10:42:34 <warlord> k
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10:47:38 <linas> @#$%^&* router.
10:47:38 <gncbot> linas: Error: "#$%^&*" is not a valid command.
10:47:48 <linas> @#$%^&*( gncbot
10:47:48 <gncbot> linas: Error: "#$%^&*(" is not a valid command.
10:48:07 <linas> #$%^&*( gncbot
10:48:36 <linas> I can't get the router to drop the firewall for gnucash.org
10:50:57 <warlord> hehehehe
10:51:04 <warlord> yeah, dont start with an @
10:51:17 <warlord> What do you mean, cant get it to drop the firewall?
10:51:53 <linas> this router has a web-based gui, and it doesn't see gnucash.org, so I can't get it to drop the firewall for it
10:52:09 <warlord> huh! why doesn't it see it?
10:52:10 <linas> and there's no "arp-scan for new machines" button on the gui
10:52:39 <linas> dunno. I tried pinging every-which way, and etc. but no luck
10:53:16 <joslwah> warlord, Hmmm. Running one of my old reports on the new file gives a nasty error. So it doesn't work quite as smoothly as you might hope.
10:53:39 <warlord> what about re-ifup'ing gnucash?
10:54:03 <warlord> joslwah: oh, saved reports might be a problem..
10:54:23 <joslwah> This one is a custom, two piccy one!
10:54:41 <joslwah> I'm going to have to update the saved reports anyway.
10:54:49 <joslwah> Was more a heads up than anything else.
10:56:05 <warlord> What custom report?
10:56:14 <warlord> I have no control over stuff you wrote yourself.
10:58:05 <joslwah> Oh, it was just a multicolumn report with two other reports in them. Both were just standard reports.
11:00:33 <warlord> Hmm...
11:00:55 <joslwah> Not a biggie. More to be aware of in case someone tries the same sort of things I am doing.
11:08:01 <linas> hi, ping warlord
11:08:14 <warlord> yes?
11:08:23 <warlord> linas: pong
11:08:38 <linas> wtf I can't connect to google.com now
11:08:52 <joslwah> Sounds like your nameserver is sick.
11:09:06 <warlord> That's pretty bad..
11:09:13 <warlord> is resolv.conf setup correctly?
11:11:10 <linas> yeah, but I cannot ping any nameserver on htat list
11:11:34 <joslwah> That sounds like router problems.
11:11:36 <linas> ping 68.94.156.1
11:11:56 <joslwah> ~140ms.
11:12:02 <warlord> I can reach 68.94.156.1
11:12:11 <linas> ping 66.134.75.56
11:12:20 <joslwah> Is your router blocking pings though?
11:12:28 <linas> its weird that I can chat on IRC but ping is dead ...
11:12:38 <joslwah> I can reach it as well.
11:12:42 <linas> its blocking dns too, it seems, or something
11:12:56 <joslwah> Time to check your firewall.
11:13:21 <warlord> Is this your own router or something they supplied?
11:14:55 <linas> they supplied it
11:15:21 <linas> damn now its working and I didn't do anything
11:15:31 <joslwah> 8-)
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11:17:36 <linas> hmm. I'm guessing that gnucash.org doesn't respond to arp ping
11:18:17 <joslwah> I'm not getting a response to 99.153.64.179
11:25:59 <warlord> Maybe it's a local iptables firewall on gnucahs.org?
11:26:09 <warlord> telnet: connect to address 99.153.64.179: Connection refused
11:26:17 <warlord> (trying port 80)
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11:49:54 <linas> I can connect fine locally. But the router explicitly displays 99.153.64.178 but is utterly unaware of 179
11:50:10 <warlord> WEIRD..
11:50:20 <warlord> What if you use 179 to connect outwards?
11:50:37 <warlord> e.g., ping to telnet out to, say, www.google.com, from 179
12:02:04 <warlord> anyways, gotta run. Later..
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12:11:44 <linas> joslwah can you ping gnucash.org now ??
12:12:25 <linas> never mind
12:22:10 <linas> so I turned on tcpdump to look at ping packets, and there are two computers in chicago that are trying to ping my *internal* network.
12:22:15 <linas> go figure
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12:27:28 <linas> arg. its skype.
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12:36:04 <joslwah> linas, sorry, was afw. And no. Still failing with 99.153.64.179
12:36:36 <joslwah> But succeed with .178
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13:20:43 <iamawake> are there any pos solutions that integrate with gnucash?
13:36:34 <andrewsw> iamawake: don't think so.
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15:39:32 <andi5> Q: should/can i revert r17966 (->glade3)? it seems i was a lot too eager commiting it. the newer/unstable releases of glade-3 finally start to address two main issues i ran into: (1) previous versions always resorted table elements on each save, rendering diffs useless, (2) name had to be unique on the file-level, now they can be per-toplevel... this broke some code, noted in the security editor... EEK
15:41:04 <andi5> glade-3 might be nice if you do not care about the two issues above, it seemed to be available on enough systems and good testimonials existed... i should have tested it a lot more on a branch (local or remote) though
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15:57:30 <elnino> hi... I hear that I can export gnucash to xml.. but I'm not finding it. Can someone point me to the right menu select?
15:57:30 <elnino> <elnino> s/select?/selection?
15:57:30 <elnino> <elnino> I thought it would be "export" but it only gives me a list of accounts.
15:57:30 <elnino> <elnino> I need the transactions in xml format.
15:57:30 <elnino> <elnino> I also tried the transaction report.
15:57:32 <elnino> <elnino> hello?
15:57:34 <elnino> <elnino> Also wondering how to get rid of splits, or how to view all transactions in split mode.
15:57:38 <elnino> <elnino> when you reconcile a set of transactions. Is it supposed to create splits for all the transactions? it seems to be doing that.
15:57:41 <elnino> <elnino> Is the tutorial and concepts guide in pdf?
15:57:45 <elnino> SORRY
15:57:48 <elnino> hi... I hear that I can export gnucash to xml.. but I'm not finding it. Can someone point me to the right menu selection? I've tried "export" but it only gives me a list of accuonts in xml. and I've tried exporting the transaction report but that doesn't seems to export to xml.
15:58:56 <andi5> whatever you mean by "xml"... the standard format gnucash writes to is an xml file
15:59:12 <warlord> elnino: your data file is already XML.
15:59:19 <warlord> gzipped, but XML nonetheless.
15:59:45 <elnino> you know what?.. Sorry, I meant qif.... can it do that?
16:00:05 <warlord> GnuCash cannot, but there is a gnucash2qif that can. google for it
16:00:45 <andi5> regarding the splits... i do not understand why you mean by "get rid of splits", but showing all transactions as split, use view -> auto-split or ledger mode
16:00:49 <andi5> s,why,what,
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16:01:11 <elnino> ok. I vauguely remember finding that last night..
16:01:26 <elnino> what does it take as an imput? I think that is where I got stuck.
16:01:55 <elnino> do I just give it one of the xac files?
16:02:18 <warlord> no, give it your (uncompressed) data file
16:02:31 <elnino> Oh.. ok. I"ll try.
16:02:35 <elnino> that. =)
16:02:38 <elnino> ok. next question.
16:02:55 <elnino> the spilts
16:03:28 <warlord> What do you mean "get rid of splits"?
16:03:31 <elnino> I found out how to import qif into gnucash, and I'm pretty sure (it was late last night) that I had no split transactions.
16:03:35 <warlord> You can change your register view by the View menu.
16:03:45 <elnino> but when I reconciled the transactions, the "splits appeared"
16:04:09 <warlord> Eh? There's no split views in the Reconcile windows.
16:04:15 <elnino> I know how to hide them and view them, but I"m pretty sure they didn't "exist" before I reconciled them.
16:04:20 <elnino> oh.
16:04:22 <elnino> well.
16:04:42 <elnino> when the n turns into a c and then after you reconcile, it turns into a y.
16:04:42 <andi5> you are probably in basic-ledger mode which does not show the splits if there are only two involved, it combines everything into one concise line
16:05:08 <warlord> elnino: that is correct.
16:05:24 <elnino> when it was a n or a c, I'm *pretty sure* there were no splits. when the "y" was there, there are split.
16:05:28 <elnino> so that's normal?
16:05:38 <gxti> there are always splits
16:05:39 <warlord> Sorry, but I don't believe you.
16:05:46 <gxti> they're just hidden
16:05:47 <warlord> Show me screen shots of what you mean.
16:06:01 <andi5> elnino: first try to look at the view menu, then continue asking...
16:06:04 <elnino> Ok... I'll try it again.
16:06:13 <elnino> it was late last night like i said.
16:06:29 <andi5> great... i like that excuse, will use it from now on as well
16:06:35 <warlord> heh
16:06:37 <elnino> I have more data to import.
16:06:47 <elnino> Ill watch each step more closely.
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16:07:47 <elnino> after sleeping on it a little more last night, it seems that everything *has* to be a split in order to be a double entry accounting system. - is that a correct assumption?
16:07:56 <warlord> Note that QIF /can/ have split transactions
16:08:00 <andi5> warlord: do you have an opinion about http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2009/03/2009-03-01.html#T15:39:32 ? actually, i am quite unhappy (i have been enthusiastic before ;-))
16:08:15 <warlord> elnino: yes, a balanced transaction has AT LEAST TWO splits.
16:08:30 <elnino> yes, and that's why I"m pretty sure I didn't have splits, because my qifs came from xls sheets, that I created.
16:08:45 <andi5> or,as it seems, no split at all, at least my file had such a transaction yesterday
16:08:59 <elnino> OK warlord. That's what I concluded last night. There are alwasy at least two splits.
16:09:07 <warlord> andi5: I have no objection to reverting back to glade-2
16:10:11 <andi5> ok, thanks
16:11:28 <elnino> so warlord, I created a test credit card account, and typed in a single transaction with a payment of $5 from my checking and tabbed thru, and the balance calculated.
16:11:44 <elnino> then I turned on the split view, and verified the two splits you mentioned.
16:12:22 <elnino> my question now is, how does it know which of the two splits the transaction is? is it the payment or the credit? is it always taking the first listed?
16:12:30 <elnino> does that make sense?
16:12:52 <elnino> because the two columns added together +5 + -5 = 0
16:13:05 <andi5> the remote split, i.e. the one not in the account showed in the register
16:13:14 <warlord> Each split is tied to an account.
16:13:35 <warlord> The transaction is the movement of money from one account to the other. Whether it's a debit or a credit all depends on your view.
16:13:40 <elnino> right.
16:13:46 <warlord> If you view from account A it's a debit. If you view from account B it's a credit.
16:13:56 <elnino> ok. that makes sense.
16:14:43 <andi5> that is a way to hide a bit of the complexity of double-entry accounting... the transfer dialog does the same (and only creates simple, two-split transactions)
16:15:11 <elnino> is there a way to display all of the splits all at once?
16:15:44 <andi5> tools > general ledger?
16:16:19 <elnino> ah.. I was looking under "view"
16:16:21 <elnino> thanks.
16:16:25 <elnino> last EASY question.
16:16:27 <elnino> Is the tutorial and concepts guide in pdf? - I obviously need to read it more closely, and reading on the screem makes me fall asleep. =(
16:17:12 <andi5> another, EASY question: is gnucash.org down?
16:17:21 <warlord> Yeah, gnucash.org is down..
16:17:22 <elnino> it was last night.
16:17:24 <warlord> Linas is working on it.
16:17:55 <andi5> ok
16:18:27 <andi5> elnino: night in what time zone?
16:18:43 <elnino> like all night =)
16:18:47 <elnino> j/k
16:18:51 <andi5> you mean when it gets dark outside?
16:18:56 <elnino> i was up atleast till 1:30 CST
16:18:59 <elnino> AM
16:19:17 <elnino> minnesota
16:19:29 <andi5> okok :)
16:19:41 <elnino> where are you?
16:19:42 <andi5> no phone numbers, please, this is logged
16:19:46 <andi5> CET
16:19:52 <elnino> what's that?
16:19:56 <andi5> central european time
16:20:09 <elnino> oh. good morning.
16:20:25 <andi5> hehe... actually, it is 22.20 pm
16:20:27 <warlord> Actually it's 10:20pm there
16:20:32 <andi5> sorry, 10 of course
16:20:36 <andi5> bad habit..
16:20:39 <warlord> 22.20 is fine.
16:20:41 <warlord> ;)
16:20:51 <elnino> that's ok. I'm in a military family. I get that all the time.
16:20:57 <andi5> :)
16:21:27 <elnino> well. I'm going to nap now. later Thanks for your help all!
16:21:36 <andi5> see you
16:22:18 <elnino> I love gnucash.. It just takes a while to get everything set up properly. I'm a lifer, you guys sold me on it.
16:22:28 <andi5> warlord: do you think that we can put zip files of windows' inst.sh steps into code.gnucash.org and first try to load them from there?
16:23:01 <warlord> well, code is down right now (on purpose)..
16:23:06 <warlord> We could put it onto cvs.
16:23:09 <andi5> i mean in the future
16:23:46 <warlord> What do you mean by "zip files of isnt.sh steps"?
16:23:51 <warlord> What would be in the zipfiles?
16:23:57 <andi5> actually, i do not really mind what server ;-) ... do you think this might be a good idea to accelerate builds and build on top of what proved to work?
16:24:09 <andi5> like, build guile, zip it, upload it
16:24:36 <andi5> if it cannot be downloaded, build it, otherwise download, unzip, go on
16:24:51 <warlord> Oh, so we have zip files of stable, prebuilt, known-to-work deps?
16:24:59 <andi5> yes
16:25:11 <warlord> Yeah, I think we can do that..
16:25:14 <andi5> like we download gnome binary zips as well
16:25:15 <warlord> And it's probably even a good idea!
16:25:42 <warlord> Right.
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16:26:18 <andi5> i have wondered whether we can build a jhbuild script, but i guess that there is no real reason to do now.... we cannot cross-compile gnucash at moment anyway
16:27:18 <andi5> inno does not work outside windows, and converting to nsis or whatever first needs to be done if actually preferred
16:28:02 <warlord> k
16:29:31 <andi5> it is a pity that nobody continued working on the register-rewrite branch... only charles and some others keep fixing the register bugs... seems like the old register will stay with us for quite a while
16:29:45 <warlord> yeah
16:42:13 <andrewsw> hi guys
16:43:50 <fbond> Heya all.
16:44:35 <andrewsw> hi fbond
16:45:17 <fbond> Question: what's the best way to track IRA contributions from my employer? They are sent via a single check for all employees. This causes a few issues: separate contributions get grouped on the broker's end, and there is a delay of a few days between my paycheck and the day the broker books the transaction.
16:46:05 <fbond> Should I use some separate "in transit" account?
16:46:22 <andrewsw> probably.
16:46:37 <fbond> andrewsw: Do you know if that is typical accounting practice?
16:46:50 <andrewsw> IANAA, but yes, I think so
16:47:09 <fbond> Okay, as long as no one thinks I'm crazy. ;)
16:47:20 <andrewsw> funds-in-transit, undeposited funds, suspense, all these ideas are used. it mimics the real world
16:47:26 <fbond> Is that an asset account?
16:47:35 <andrewsw> in this case, yes
16:47:48 <fbond> Hm, cool.
16:47:49 <fbond> Thanks.
16:48:07 <andrewsw> and it's something you probably only want to use when the dates matter on both ends of the txn, like this particular case.
16:48:22 <fbond> Yeah, my current way makes it impossible to reconcile my IRA cash account.
16:48:38 <andrewsw> I would *not* use it, for example, in paying a vendor, because I don't actually care what day they book my payments.
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16:49:44 <fbond> Right, only for tracking movement of stuff that's mine on both ends. :)
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17:08:27 <MoonMaker> Hi! I want to test GNUcash on ubuntu. I installed it but i have problems with the german language. I'm using UTF-8 and Intrepit. Have anyone a tip for me to using it in german?
17:08:57 <andrewsw> what problems in particular?
17:09:17 <MoonMaker> All menu's are in english
17:09:33 <MoonMaker> Tje Account Name and so on, are in german
17:09:53 <MoonMaker> Tje= the
17:11:07 <andrewsw> have you tried: `LANG=de_DE.utf8 gnucash` from a terminal?
17:11:09 <MoonMaker> I tested the lang=de_DE option in bash. But it do not work
17:11:16 <MoonMaker> yep, i can test it again
17:11:19 <andrewsw> (not sure on the value of LANG there)
17:11:38 <andrewsw> what output of `env | grep LANG`
17:12:39 <MoonMaker> LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
17:12:44 <jsled> MoonMaker: try LANGUAGE instead
17:12:52 <MoonMaker> GDM_LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
17:12:54 <MoonMaker> k
17:13:58 <MoonMaker> it do not work, too. i get the error: "gnx.bin-Message: main: binreloc relocation support was disabled at configure time."
17:14:26 <MoonMaker> gnx= gnc, sorry
17:14:32 <andrewsw> that's normal.
17:14:33 <jsled> hmm. you should copy and paste such things. :)
17:14:38 <jsled> and, yeah, that's ignorable.
17:14:44 <jsled> I would use this:
17:14:45 <MoonMaker> iam chatting on my other laptop ;-)
17:14:57 <jsled> export LANGUAGE=de_DE.UTF-8; gnucash
17:15:12 <jsled> another thing is to try `locale -a` to make sure the de_DE locale is installed.
17:16:16 <MoonMaker> de_DE.utf8 is installed
17:16:48 <MoonMaker> I tested
17:16:51 <MoonMaker> export LANGUAGE=de_DE.UTF-8; gnucash
17:16:55 <MoonMaker> export LANGUAGE=de_DE.UTF8; gnucash
17:17:02 <MoonMaker> it do not work, grml :-)
17:17:25 <jsled> hmm. what does `locale` say?
17:17:35 <jsled> like, in the same way, in place of `gnucash`.
17:17:43 <jsled> export LANGUAGE=de_DE.UTF8; locale
17:17:55 <MoonMaker> all settings are set to de_DE.UTF-8
17:18:16 <MoonMaker> mom
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17:19:51 <jsled> huh. I know we ship a de_DE translation, and if locale reports success, then gnucash should too. Maybe a Ubuntu support channel would be more helpful.
17:19:59 <gxti> LC_ALL
17:20:01 <gxti> perhaps
17:20:02 <MoonMaker> when i do this, all settings are set to de_DE.UTF-8. But LANGUAGE has the right property: de_DE.UTF8
17:20:21 <MoonMaker> LC_ALL is empty
17:20:26 <jsled> whichever form is listed in `locale -a` is the one you should use.
17:20:43 <gxti> `LC_ALL=de_DE.utf8 gnucash` works for me
17:21:53 <MoonMaker> i used: export LC_ALL=de_DE.utf8; gnucash
17:22:02 <MoonMaker> it do not work again
17:22:15 <gxti> i'm not on ubuntu thougjh
17:25:05 <MoonMaker> ok, thx for your help. I will ask in a ubuntu channel. Maybe anyone can help me there with the language settings. But normally i have no problems with the language settings.
17:25:39 <andrewsw> I would make sure you are using the *same* name for the locale in all places
17:25:52 <andrewsw> looks like you now have a mix of utf8, UTF8 and UTF-8
17:26:19 <andrewsw> that may cause problems (at a guess). it should match the appropriate selection from `locale -a | grep de_DE`
17:26:30 <andrewsw> so far as I know.
17:27:12 <MoonMaker> when iam using this command i get the answer "de_DE.utf8"
17:28:46 <MoonMaker> but it do not work, too. I used: export LC_ALL=de_DE.utf8; export LANG=de_DE.utf8; export LANGUAGE=de_DE.utf8; gnucash
17:28:56 <MoonMaker> ;-)
17:29:36 <MoonMaker> it works better with iso?
17:30:16 <andrewsw> one more to try. on my system (debian sid) the LANGUAGE is set to en_US not to en_US.UTF-8... maybe that helps?
17:30:26 <andrewsw> sorry, I've not got anymore to offer.
17:31:07 <MoonMaker> np, i will ask in the ubuntu channel and if they have a solution i will give it to you.
17:31:20 <andrewsw> good luck
17:31:25 <MoonMaker> thanks
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18:00:33 <MoonMaker> you ever heard that there is a problem with localepurge? Iam using it to get only the packages: de_DE, de_DE@euro and de_DE.UTF-8
18:02:38 <fbond> andrewsw: Would you consider funds in transit a "current asset"?
18:03:29 <andrewsw> fbond: yes
18:04:54 <fbond> Thanks.
18:07:12 <andrewsw> MoonMaker: I suppose is there is a bug in localepurge, then yes, it could cause problems.
18:07:38 <MoonMaker> how important is the gnucash.mo? localepurge is deleting the /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/gnucash.mo file
18:08:01 <jsled> the .mo is the translations, IIRC.
18:08:13 <jsled> So … wtf is something deleting that file?
18:08:16 <jsled> That's retarded.
18:08:52 <MoonMaker> hrhr nice. After the installation localepurge is removing all these files from different languages
18:09:24 <andrewsw> have you properly configured localepurge?
18:09:29 <MoonMaker> yep
18:09:38 <MoonMaker> de_DE, de_DE@euro and de_DE.UTF-8
18:09:55 <andrewsw> well, you could work around by reinstalling gnucash
18:10:15 <andrewsw> ummm... maybe remove localepurge first and then reinstall gnucash
18:10:50 <MoonMaker> yep, iam on playing with this
18:10:55 <andrewsw> heh, i'd just send you the file, except I use localepurge as well...
18:12:22 <MoonMaker> now it is in german
18:12:24 <MoonMaker> grml
18:12:35 <andrewsw> what process did you use?
18:13:11 <andrewsw> note that if localepurge had been improperly configured previously, it won't *reinstall* locale files later...
18:13:20 <andrewsw> afaik
18:13:53 <MoonMaker> i removed only gnucash and localpurge
18:13:57 <MoonMaker> and installed gnucash again
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18:14:40 <MoonMaker> then localpurge couldnt delete these files
18:14:58 <MoonMaker> and it works now. But the problem is, i need localepurge to save free space
18:15:14 <andrewsw> if you reinstall localepurge and it re-deletes that translation file, then that's definitely a bug.
18:15:46 <andrewsw> in localepurge, that is
18:16:30 <MoonMaker> i will test it
18:17:27 <MoonMaker> yep, it removed these files again
18:17:55 <MoonMaker> 7784k freed
18:18:41 <andrewsw> localepurge should remove all the locale files except the selected ones... I hope we didn't just hose your entire german translation...
18:19:39 <MoonMaker> hose?
18:19:43 <MoonMaker> what does it means
18:20:04 <andrewsw> ah sorry. wipe out, ruin, wash out with a hose...
18:20:09 <andrewsw> down the drain
18:20:43 <MoonMaker> yes localepurge is doing this
18:21:10 <andrewsw> so now you have *no* german translations? or just the gnucash one is gone?
18:21:19 <MoonMaker> i remove it localepurge and install gnucash again
18:21:24 <MoonMaker> just gnucash
18:21:30 <MoonMaker> other software works well
18:21:41 <andrewsw> hmm... that's interesting.
18:21:53 <MoonMaker> mobbing ;-)
18:22:06 <andrewsw> mobbing?
18:22:55 <MoonMaker> ahh sorry: bullying
18:23:13 <MoonMaker> just fun
18:23:32 <andrewsw> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/04/msg00479.html
18:23:36 <andrewsw> is an interesting read.
18:23:53 <andrewsw> look at the /etc/locale.nopurge file and see if it applies to your problem
18:25:18 <andrewsw> the follow-up references ubuntu using a different system for packaging locales... but it's from 2005.
18:29:19 <MoonMaker> the question is how can i insert a folder in this config file
18:30:40 <andrewsw> looks like a flat text file to me, just put "de" in the list at the bottom...
18:31:17 <andrewsw> the name refers to /usr/share/locale/*de*
18:31:28 <andrewsw> or whatever it is in ubuntu
18:31:49 <MoonMaker> de didnt works, but i will test it with wildcards
18:32:48 <andrewsw> what do you mean if didn't work?
18:33:00 <MoonMaker> i insert only "de"
18:33:14 <andrewsw> what was in there to begin with?
18:33:39 <MoonMaker> de_DE, de_DE@euro, de_DE.UTF-8
18:33:51 <MoonMaker> *de*, de_DE, de_DE@euro, de_DE.UTF-8
18:34:04 <MoonMaker> didnt work, too
18:34:43 <andrewsw> are there other files in /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES?
18:34:49 <MoonMaker> no
18:35:10 <andrewsw> hmmm... I don't know ubuntu, but I guess the locales are generally handled differently than debian.
18:35:25 <MoonMaker> ok, it works
18:35:32 <andrewsw> oh?
18:35:34 <MoonMaker> de, de_DE, de_DE@euro, de_DE.UTF-8
18:35:49 <MoonMaker> My mistake was, i removed localepurge
18:35:49 <andrewsw> oh, you actually had the *'s in there?
18:35:59 <MoonMaker> then i insert de, de_DE, de_DE@euro, de_DE.UTF-8
18:36:03 <MoonMaker> and installed it
18:36:13 <MoonMaker> localepurge deleted the "de" entry
18:36:32 <MoonMaker> so i installed gnucash again and localpurge deleted the file again
18:36:52 <MoonMaker> after this i insert "de" again in the localpurge.nopurge file
18:36:57 <MoonMaker> and installed gnucash again
18:37:07 <MoonMaker> after this it works
18:37:44 <andrewsw> so, did dpkg-reconfigure localepurge give you the option to select de along with de_DE and the others?
18:37:56 <MoonMaker> nope
18:38:06 <MoonMaker> there is no "de" option
18:38:24 <andrewsw> hmmm... well there should be.
18:38:28 <MoonMaker> it can be a problem of gnucash. It isnt using the right language folders...maybe
18:38:51 <MoonMaker> it has to use de_DE
18:38:58 <MoonMaker> instead "de"
18:39:12 <andrewsw> could be, but I would think localepurge would build the list based on what is actually available on the system
18:39:43 <MoonMaker> yep, and there i have the default german folder/language "de_DE"
18:39:50 <MoonMaker> "de" do not exists
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18:40:06 <andrewsw> interestingly I have the (empty) de folder here.
18:40:32 <MoonMaker> hmm i dont know. Maybe only Ubuntu is using "de_DE"
18:40:39 <MoonMaker> i dont know
18:41:05 <andrewsw> and dpkg-reconfigure localepurge lists "de" in the description and in the list of locales to select.
18:41:18 <MoonMaker> but in "de_DE" there are all other files, from different tools
18:41:34 <andrewsw> I would suggest filing a bug against localepurge. It should list *all* viable options for locales.
18:41:47 <MoonMaker> e.g. avant-window-navigator.mo
18:41:57 <andrewsw> and if ubuntu is going to force everyone into de_DE than that's probably a packaging problem at ubuntu.
18:42:11 <MoonMaker> yep
18:43:02 <MoonMaker> so, now i can test gnucash ;-)
18:43:10 <MoonMaker> thx for your help
18:43:25 <andrewsw> you're welcome. have fun
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23:30:08 <gxti> when reconciling an account, is the default ending balance supposed to always be the cleared balance?
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23:30:34 <warlord> gxti: it's gnucash's best guess.
23:30:45 <warlord> but you should enter in the ACTUAL ending balance from your account statement.
23:30:49 <gxti> yes
23:31:09 <gxti> but e.g. this time, it shows the reconciled balance
23:31:14 <gxti> same as the starting balance
23:31:24 <gxti> sometimes it will show the cleared balance, sometimes somewhere in the middle
23:31:49 <warlord> It will show you the account balance at the reconcile date.
23:32:55 <gxti> hmm, that's true.. the statement date says 2009-02-19. i'm reconciling against a web view, not a paper statement, so i generally ignore that
23:33:07 <warlord> dont ignore it
23:33:39 <gxti> i don't know where it got that date from, either, but if i change it to today then it switches to a more reasonable ending balance
23:34:01 <warlord> it guesses the date based on the previous two reonciliations.
23:34:11 <warlord> It assumes yourreconciliations are periodic.
23:34:14 <gxti> ah... garbage in, garbage out.
23:34:19 <warlord> so it extrapolates them
23:34:20 <warlord> yep.
23:34:27 <gxti> smart, though
23:34:35 <warlord> e.g., Jan 1, Feb 1 -> March 1
23:34:54 <warlord> Jan 1, April 1 -> Jul 1
23:35:37 <gxti> it would be nice if it worked off the cleared balance though instead of the total
23:36:11 <warlord> Why?
23:36:18 <warlord> You might not have cleared everything.
23:36:25 <gxti> i guess it depends on your workflow
23:36:33 <warlord> Generally it's more correct to guess the account total.
23:38:53 <warlord> anyways, i need to run.
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