2009-01-31 GnuCash IRC logs
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05:30:40 <booxter> hello guys! is it a generic Gnucash behavior when it creates lots of translog*, *log, *xac and other files in the same directory where main .gnucash file is present?
05:31:06 <booxter> I want GnuCash to pack all the needed stuff in single file. Is it possible?
05:35:49 <Simon_> everything is in the main file itself
05:36:46 <booxter> then why do I have all these stuff files? :)
05:37:06 <Simon_> it renames the current file to a new .xac file when saving
05:37:34 <Simon_> under Preferences -> General there's Retain log files: X days
05:40:27 <booxter> ah, ok. I thought that it will bloat my directory :) If it will clean the stuff periodically then ok
05:45:58 <booxter> and what are these logs for?
06:00:14 <Simon_> afaik, recovery if something goes wrong...
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08:16:37 <soa2ii> Hi there. Even if my LANG variable is set to de_DE.utf8 gnucash is still in english. Any ideas why? http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_I_want_to_use_GnuCash_in_my_own_language says nothing else.
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08:34:04 <warlord> soa2ii: maybe you don't have the de_DE locale installed on your system?
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08:39:00 <soa2ii> warlord: Of course. I use it.
08:39:18 <soa2ii> warlord: locale -a shows: de_DE.utf8
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08:39:47 <warlord> You might also need to set the LANGUAGE var
08:41:06 <soa2ii> warlord: To de_DE.utf8, too?
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08:42:14 <warlord> yes
08:45:48 <soa2ii> warlord: No, no effect.
08:45:51 <soa2ii> Still english
08:48:17 <warlord> What OS/Distro?
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08:49:30 <soa2ii> warlord: Gentoo.
08:50:12 <warlord> Try: de_DE.UTF-8
08:50:19 <warlord> (I have no idea if its case-sensitive or not)
08:50:50 <warlord> jsled might be able to give you gentoo-specific advice
08:51:12 <warlord> if you set your locale to de_DE do other GTK apps appear in german?
08:51:38 <soa2ii> warlord: Don't know... let's see... I think the only other one I got is ekiga
08:52:36 <soa2ii> warlord: No, ekiga is english, too.
08:53:06 <warlord> Well, then, that leads me to believe that you don't have the locale configured properly for Gtk.
08:53:30 <warlord> I dont know enough about Gentoo to provide specific locale help.
08:53:36 <soa2ii> Yeah. Might be... but what could I've missed?
08:53:37 <soa2ii> OK
08:53:43 <warlord> Maybe jsled can.. or maybe you can ask on a gentoo list?
08:53:43 <soa2ii> Let's wait for jsled then.
08:53:44 <warlord> Sorry...
08:53:57 <soa2ii> No Prob... thanks anyways (:
08:55:17 <warlord> Good Luck!
08:55:44 <warlord> I know that the GnuCash part works fine.. I can easily start gnucash in any language we support and it works for me. But I'm on Fedora.
09:16:17 <jsled> soa2ii: is de_DE in /etc/locale.gen ?
09:16:47 <soa2ii> jsled: de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8
09:16:50 <soa2ii> This one here.
09:17:00 <soa2ii> And the same for en_US
09:17:31 <jsled> did you run `locale-gen`?
09:17:49 <jsled> is de_DE in `locale -a` ?
09:18:08 <jsled> nevermind.
09:18:11 * jsled reads backscroll.
09:18:26 <soa2ii> (:
09:19:10 <jsled> `LANGUAGE=de_DE gnucash` is what works for me
09:19:31 <jsled> `LANGUAGE=de_DE.UTF8 gnucash` works too
09:21:02 <soa2ii> jsled: Yeah... this works... but why do I have to put it in front of the command... I've set the env var and gnucash does not care :/
09:21:12 <jsled> set it how?
09:21:43 <soa2ii> export
09:22:02 <jsled> how, exactly?
09:23:24 <soa2ii> export LANGUAGE="de_DE"
09:23:31 <soa2ii> export LANGUAGE="de_DE.utf8"
09:23:34 <Simon_> if you just type "LANG=blah" in bash, you're only setting a variable - not changing the environment
09:23:39 <soa2ii> Both of them... none works
09:23:48 <warlord> what shell do you use?
09:23:49 <Simon_> try LC_ALL=de_DE ?
09:23:53 <soa2ii> bash
09:23:54 <jsled> then `gnucash` in the same shell?
09:24:19 <soa2ii> jsled: No... is the var just held in the shell? I thought export make it globally?
09:24:29 <jsled> nope.
09:24:51 <jsled> it's still within the shell and its children.
09:24:58 <jsled> but not to sibling shells
09:25:13 <jsled> s/shells/environments/
09:25:15 <soa2ii> omfg
09:25:16 <soa2ii> silly me
09:25:18 <soa2ii> Thanks
09:25:38 <jsled> heh. you're welcome.
09:25:43 <warlord> * sigh *
09:26:37 * jsled afks
09:27:23 <warlord> See ya jsled
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09:45:40 <refdoc> http://www.google.co.uk/interstitial?url=http://www.gnucash.org/
09:46:00 <refdoc> I just tried to find your site again as my bookmark got lost
09:46:09 <refdoc> googling gave me the link above
09:46:25 <refdoc> which states that the page is somehow damaging to my computer
09:46:57 <refdoc> the offer of more detail leads to am error page on google server
09:47:09 <refdoc> thought I should tell you
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09:49:07 <refdoc> odd. looks more like a google problem
09:51:26 <warlord> Yeah, try http://www.google.com/
09:54:28 <refdoc> ok. sorry about that. Thought you had a problem and should tell.
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09:54:45 <warlord> Nope, it's probably google's issue..
09:55:05 <warlord> I have no idea what the google.co.uk interstitial is all about.
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10:53:05 <jsled> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F31%2F1457221&from=rss
10:53:32 <jsled> "Google Search Flagging Everything As Potentially Harmful" "Update: […] appears to be fixed."
10:56:02 <warlord> LOL
10:56:04 <warlord> ok.
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12:03:15 <mwic> hi guys i have a business checking account in my personal finances file, but am moving it to its own file -- how to I record this transaction?
12:03:41 <mwic> My idea is to create an investment called "Business" and just transfer the chk balance to it..
12:04:18 <mwic> but technically, i suppose I *should move all last year's transactions to the new file?
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13:44:15 <andrewsw> mwic: the history preservation is a problem. maybe duplicate the files and offset all the business txns in one and all the personal txn in another?
13:46:49 <mwic> i decided to go with an adjusting entry: "detach business" zeroing out the chk account
13:47:21 <mwic> Now I have to figure out how to detach the corporate credit-card.. something like "sell debt to business"?
13:48:12 <andrewsw> one way to look at it is that you are currently carrying debt on behalf of the business, so move the current balance that's on your books into an Asset
13:48:41 <andrewsw> then when the business pays the balance on the card, you can write down the debt and asset simultaneously and then it's off your books
13:49:00 <andrewsw> meanwhile on the business side, record the current CC debt as a liability to you.
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16:01:38 <draemon> I wonder if anyone can help me with how to handle UK VAT payments...
16:02:11 <draemon> I'm pretty sure I have the input and output vat recorded correctly against sales and purchases. But how do I record when I actually pay the VAT man?
16:05:20 <warlord> Check the wiki?
16:05:39 <draemon> I couldn't find anything relating to VAT payments
16:05:56 <warlord> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_use_GnuCash_to_calculate_VAT.3F
16:07:59 <draemon> That gives 3 links - none of which mention paying the VAT (just calculating it)
16:08:26 <warlord> what do you mean, "paying it"?
16:09:15 <draemon> For every sale, VAT:Output:Sales has a credit for the amount of VAT received (and thus due to the tax man)
16:09:47 <warlord> Right...
16:09:52 <draemon> For every purchase, VAT:Input has a debit for the amount of vat paid (and thus due from the tax man)
16:10:01 <draemon> and at the end of the month, I pay him the difference
16:10:07 <draemon> where does that last transaction go?
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16:10:29 <warlord> VAT:Output:Paid ?
16:11:39 <draemon> I wonder why the default VAT accounts don't have such an account. It made me wonder if I was meant to do a 3-way split between my bank account, VAT:Input and VAT:Output to bring the balance back to 0
16:12:21 <draemon> Actually, it'd be VAT:Paid I guess, 'cos it's not output VAT
16:14:00 <draemon> I guess what I'm asking, is do I A) Transfer the VAT:Input and VAT:Output totals to a Liabilities:VAT account in one transaction, then have a second transaction between Liabilities:VAT and my Bank account...
16:14:18 <draemon> or B) Have one transaction between VAT:Input, VAT:Output and my Bank account?
16:17:22 <warlord> Probably 1 for the payment/refund to zeroize.
16:21:15 <draemon> I've just thought....If it turns out that they owe you money, you send the form back and they don't actually give you the money until later....so this leans me towards having that extra account so I can record the VAT return and the actual payment (either way) separately.
16:21:41 <draemon> Perhaps it's overkill but it'll work, and isn't going to cause any problems, right? Or have I missed something.
16:30:03 <warlord> Sounds reasonable.
16:30:06 <warlord> Update the wiki!
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