2009-01-30 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:53:24 <warlord> runemaste: there are two projects there:
00:53:37 <warlord> 1) replace GtkHTML with something more modern that understands CSS
00:53:49 <warlord> 2) Change the invoice to being a template, like eguile.
00:53:51 <warlord> #2 is underway
00:53:55 <warlord> #1 isn't
01:07:06 <runemaste> which language is gnucash written in? C?
01:07:52 <warlord> It's about 80% C
01:07:59 <warlord> BUT.. The reports are written in Scheme
01:08:03 <warlord> (17% scheme)
01:13:06 <runemaste> whats the other 3%? :P
01:13:30 <runemaste> if only i understood C.... well, i can understand it, i just cant write it.
01:14:30 <warlord> Um.. some perl. some shell.
01:18:14 <runemaste> fair enough
01:18:34 <runemaste> #2, is that underway in SVN or just a few devs working on it?
01:19:10 <warlord> Someone on the list has been working on it. (see the -devel archives)
01:21:26 <runemaste> ok, fair enough
01:22:37 <runemaste> it would be nice to replace GtkHTML with Gecko
01:24:21 <runemaste> then you could design really web-2.0 style invoices if you wanted to
01:26:01 <jsled> I'd not consider (2) underway. Someone's idly poking at it.
01:26:21 <jsled> gecko or webkit.
01:26:55 <jsled> ('night)
01:29:31 <warlord> see ya jsled
01:29:44 <warlord> runemaste: I think WebKit is probably a little more interesting than Gecko.
01:29:54 <warlord> But there *is* GtkMozEmbedded
01:30:34 <runemaste> hmm... GtkMozEmbedded, huh.... i should mess around with it sometime
01:32:04 <runemaste> another option would be to generate it as a PDF
01:32:33 <warlord> No, that would not be an option.
01:32:40 <runemaste> why?
01:32:44 <warlord> I know of no decent embedded PDF viewer.
01:33:16 <runemaste> true.
01:41:46 <runemaste> is inventory management in progress?
01:47:20 <warlord> nope
02:30:19 <warlord> okay, bedtime. good night
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15:30:53 <jsled> huh. So, because he can't upload files, someone seems to be taking bank logo images, and running them through a program to create a wiki-markup table that table-cell-to-pixel represents the logo. <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Template:BankOfAmericaLogo>
15:31:02 <jsled> o_O
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15:44:10 <warlord> neat
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17:12:17 <ska> I just got re-imbursed X dollars from my insurance company, they overcharged me. How should I process it? Just deposit a check and offset the expense account originally depited?
17:23:37 <warlord> yeah
17:27:43 <ska> I do it so rarely, its just too obvious to be right.
17:27:59 <warlord> heh
17:28:02 <warlord> understood.
17:28:25 <ska> I was tempted to just cash the check, to keep it off the books, but its not worth it..
17:28:52 <warlord> heheh
17:29:33 <ska> Besides, there's much better ways to milk the company :)
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17:38:36 <AlexanderB> Hi
17:41:03 <AlexanderB> I'm running GnuCash on Windows, so unfortunately I'm atm not able to provide a backtrace
17:41:24 <warlord> Let me guess -- 2.2.8, it crashed when you closed an invoice window?
17:41:37 <AlexanderB> GnuCash crashes when creating a New Account Hierarchy Setup
17:41:43 <AlexanderB> 2.2.8
17:41:58 <warlord> Oh! THat's new and different. Never heard of that one before.
17:42:07 <AlexanderB> but only when using de_DE
17:42:44 <AlexanderB> exactly when clicking forward after selecting Euro as currency
17:45:32 <AlexanderB> after changing LANG and LANGUAGE from de_DE to gb_EN everything works fine
17:45:45 <AlexanderB> after changing it back it still works fine
17:45:48 <AlexanderB> strange
17:46:39 <warlord> weird.
17:50:46 <AlexanderB> I managed to install gdb
17:51:31 <AlexanderB> I still can't reproduce the crash, but gdb tells me:
17:51:49 <AlexanderB> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
17:51:49 <AlexanderB> 0x77e8078a in RpcRaiseException () from C:\WINDOWS\system32\rpcrt4.dll
17:52:03 <AlexanderB> but Gnucash is still running
17:56:05 <AlexanderB> now I crashed Gnucash without having the gdb running
17:57:05 <AlexanderB> gdb crashes without Gnucash doing anything
17:57:23 <AlexanderB> which debugger should I use to debug gdb?
17:57:40 <warlord> heh.
17:57:42 <warlord> no clue.
17:58:10 <AlexanderB> :-)
17:59:33 <AlexanderB> http://nopaste.org/p/a7cOlpX4V
18:04:51 <warlord> sorry, gotta go..
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18:05:26 <AlexanderB> np
18:05:44 <AlexanderB> I'm not yet seriously using it
18:05:54 <AlexanderB> http://nopaste.org/p/ajYEcgEuR
18:05:58 <AlexanderB> does that help?
18:06:04 <AlexanderB> GC didn't crash
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18:22:59 <ltjohn> I'm suddenly unable to print customer invoices to pdf. They are produced with (almost) no text in them
18:23:52 <ltjohn> could be related to: I'd been using 2.2.7 until today, then opened the data file with 2.2.8; now this pdf problem
18:24:26 <ltjohn> but now, even with 2.2.7 I get the same issue. Old invoices print (to pdf) just fine
18:35:41 <ltjohn> disregard. The pdf's open and look fine on another PC - must be an Adobe Reader issue
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18:50:30 <ltjohn> ok, Adobe Reader 8 can see everything; Adobe Reader 9 can't. But 9 can see all the content on the older invoices...just not new ones
19:14:27 <andrewsw> anyone remember how to set up custom shortcuts within a gnome app directly?
19:14:48 <andrewsw> there is some magic keystroke that you can use to map a new key to a menu item, and I can't recall it.
19:15:38 <andrewsw> and google is *not* helpful
19:15:44 <jsled> I think there used to be, but I can't effect such a change in obvious ways.
19:16:12 <andrewsw> I think it was "some keystroke" -> select menu item -> enter preferred shortcut
19:16:21 <andrewsw> or some incantation like that
19:59:26 <andrewsw> ah ha! found it!
20:02:46 <jsled> oh?
20:03:23 <andrewsw> yeah. but you have to have some gnome panel crap running to do it.
20:03:41 <andrewsw> http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/guide/basics-interface1.html#basics-shortcut2
20:03:46 <andrewsw> very last paragraph.
20:04:14 <andrewsw> on the fly editing of key bindings. it's a really nice feature.
20:04:40 <jsled> ah
20:05:52 <andrewsw> it appears to not work without the "Menu and Toolbar" thing, which I don't have. oh well.
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20:15:59 <Olipro> is there a way I can transfer money from assets to another account (sort of like an expense) so that it falls off the net-worth calculation, but doesn't affect the profits snapshot on the main tab
20:17:26 <andrewsw> Olipro: not really.
20:17:43 <andrewsw> if you've lost an asset, it's non-recoverable, then you expense the value of it according to some formula
20:17:46 <andrewsw> (IANAA)
20:18:54 <Olipro> yeah, figured so
20:19:00 <Olipro> it's not really an expense
20:19:05 <Olipro> but not really an asset either
20:19:43 <andrewsw> well, the money for it came from somewhere, and it's value has to go somewhere, if you follow
20:20:43 <Olipro> well yeah, I was mainly interested in having the profit snapshot ignore the particular account it went into basically
20:20:58 <Olipro> I'm not asking to change the rules of double accountancy :P
20:21:25 <andrewsw> :) I don't think there is anyway to change what shows in the "profit" number on the accounts tab.
20:21:33 <Olipro> actually, I think I know how
20:21:38 <andrewsw> You'll have to run a real income statement for that.
20:21:41 <Olipro> if I write the cost directly into my Equity
20:21:45 <Olipro> rather than onto expenses
20:21:47 <Olipro> that should do it
20:22:02 <Olipro> all costs go into equity when you close books for the period
20:22:02 <andrewsw> did the thing originally come out of equity? like as a starting balance or something?
20:22:05 <Olipro> so this jumps the gun
20:22:08 <Olipro> no, it came out of assets
20:22:38 <Olipro> yep, that did the trick
20:24:04 <Olipro> the profit snapshot just calculates income vs expense
20:25:19 <andrewsw> oh yeah, that makes sense... equity is neither
20:25:37 <Olipro> still, it usually requires me to talk to someone to realise these things :P
20:25:45 <andrewsw> indeed
20:25:56 <andrewsw> I always think of the obvious immediately after asking a question
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