2009-01-29 GnuCash IRC logs
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05:21:26 <anutile> hello
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05:22:17 <anutile> I am from the United States and it is 1099 form filling time for self employed people or vendors we hired. Is there a way to use gnucash to print this type of form
05:22:25 <anutile> I did some google search to no avail
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05:27:57 <joslwah> anutile, I'm afraid not.
05:28:19 <anutile> well it
05:28:24 <joslwah> It is one area that free software doesn't do well, since the forms change so often, and there are so many of them.
05:28:25 <anutile> is good to know ( -:
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05:28:35 <joslwah> Yep, saves further searching.
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09:50:29 <joslwah> warlord, ping
09:50:49 * warlord yawns
09:50:56 <joslwah> Morning. 8-)
09:51:21 <joslwah> Can you apply the final patch from 568473 please. cstim has approved it. Just waiting on svn access person.
10:05:43 <warlord> I'll try to go take a look.
10:05:53 <joslwah> Thanks.
10:06:07 <joslwah> I'll tidy up the bug once it is in.
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10:36:44 <warlord> r17855.
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12:13:28 <mwic> is there a way to edit a split for lots of transactions at once?
12:13:36 <jsled> unfortunately not. :(
12:13:45 <warlord> You cannot edit multiple transactions simultaneously.
12:14:05 <mwic> what if i don't mind learning python or regexing through the data files themselves?
12:14:05 <joslwah> What do you mean by edit a split for lots of transactions? A split only belongs to one transaction.
12:14:06 <warlord> (except in one minor case -- if you want to move all the splits from one account to another)
12:14:07 <mwic> too dangerous?
12:14:28 <warlord> mwic: depends what you're trying to do?
12:14:37 <jsled> unsupported, do it at your own risk … but possible.
12:14:45 <mwic> what i mean is here i've got 14 mortgage payments, and I just realized none of the have the split for private mortgage insurance
12:16:18 <mwic> i'll probably have to go through each of them again anyway, since the interest & principle amounts change every month..
12:17:33 <mwic> trying to get end-of-year reports a little more accurate..
12:17:50 <warlord> For 14 payments, yeah, it's probably best to just to it by hand.
12:23:15 <mwic> fine with me
12:23:21 <mwic> i love gnucash more than my family
12:23:29 <warlord> LOL
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13:08:45 <heyjoe> greets all, where can i find custom reports specifically designed for South African accounting practises and tax?
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13:31:04 <jsled> heyjoe: I've never heard of any.
13:31:12 <jsled> We generally ship any reports that people announce.
13:31:21 <jsled> There's no "addons.gnucash.org" or anything like that.
13:34:40 <heyjoe> jsled: thanks, i installed gnucash from synaptic in ubuntu 8.04, will that have everything or should i download other binaries?
13:35:08 <jsled> nope, that's all you need.
13:35:17 <heyjoe> jsled: thanks
13:36:02 <mwic> i need a kinda basic accounting concept explained to me: if I'm trying to figure out where my money goes, credit card interest doesn't come up, since it adds to the Liability instead of coming out of an Asset ..
13:36:36 <mwic> But CC Interest is an Expense account, so how do i see the biggest expenses, *including ones like that?
13:36:58 <mwic> I'm looking at a cash flow statement..
13:37:41 <heyjoe> mwic: from what i understand the CC interest will CC liability and reflect as an expense in the contra-account
13:38:18 <heyjoe> hmm that didnt make much sense
13:38:21 <heyjoe> let me try again
13:38:48 <heyjoe> mwic: from what i understand the interest rolled up will reflect in the CC liability as well as in the CC interest expense.
13:38:54 <mwic> y
13:39:03 <mwic> i think my problem is just the 24-account limit for expense reports
13:39:16 <mwic> which i tried to get around by looking at the cash flow,
13:39:39 <heyjoe> sorry i've only been using gnucash for 2 days ;)
13:39:43 <mwic> but expenses not paid out of an asset (like CC interest when it just adds to the balance) isn't in the cashflow
13:40:25 <heyjoe> correct me if i'm wrong, but there is no cashflow
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20:47:52 <Bob> hi!
20:48:29 <Bob> what would be my first step if I wanted to use gnucash to help me with my income tax report ?
20:49:35 <warlord> Having all your years-worth of data already entered into gnucash?
20:49:46 <warlord> (gnucash isn't a tax program, it's a finance application)
20:50:50 <Bob> I don't as of now, but I might very soon have this data entered....
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20:53:49 <Bob> any idea?
20:57:38 <warlord> any idea about what?
20:58:02 <warlord> Once it's all entered, run the tax report.. then you can take that data into a tax app like TaxCut or something.
20:58:25 <gxti> on that subject, what *would* you recommend for (US) taxes?
20:58:49 * warlord pays an accountant to do them
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20:59:51 <runemaste> Hello all
21:01:39 <Bob> any idea if that program (TaxCut) is available in Debian repositories?
21:02:40 <warlord> It is not.. I know of no free tax programs.
21:03:15 <warlord> (I believe it might even be windows-only)
21:03:47 <Bob> it'll probably be wiser to stick to my accountant for 2008 taxes....
21:03:54 <jsled> yeah, TaxCut <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TaxCut> is MacOSX/Windows software
21:04:12 <gxti> feh, that's what vmware is for
21:04:20 <jsled> I've seen linux/foss tax apps over the years, but they're usually transient and shitty.
21:04:21 <gxti> or wine, perhaps
21:04:31 <jsled> oh, and probably incomplete.
21:04:43 <gxti> i can't imagine anyone being dedicated enough to maintain that kind of thing
21:05:01 <warlord> jsled: FYI, the configuration is going slowly..
21:05:42 <jsled> I could vaguely imagine a coalition of accountants combining to hire someone to produce/maintain such a software … as FOSS, even.
21:05:46 <warlord> I might not finish before I leave.. BUT.. I should be able to continue the reconfig remotely.. The hardest part will be the data migration/cutover.
21:06:11 <gxti> yeah, i *could* see someone writing a sufficiently extensible program that professionals could write and sell the data for it
21:06:26 <jsled> right .... basically a rules engine + data-binding ui thingy.
21:06:47 <jsled> Try to put most of the "code" into a form of logic similar to the tax rules themselves.
21:07:43 <jsled> lol, do them in Inform7 <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inform7#Example_game_2>
21:08:22 <Bob> how hard/compatible is the transfer of data from Gnucash to, say, TaxCut???
21:09:04 <jsled> hard.
21:09:07 <runemaste> is it possible to customise the *look* of the invoices? i would like to make them a little better looking
21:09:20 <Bob> :)
21:09:55 <runemaste> i know you can customise the colours with stylesheets, but i would like to change the look of them
21:10:02 <warlord> Well, GnuCash can output TXF that you can input into TaxCut. BUT getting all your accounts set up properly for TXF Export is a LOT of work.
21:12:11 <Bob> any reading you can suggest me for this seemingly very hard task?? (I am a newbie in finance & tax altogether.....and I am from Québec, Canada, if that makes any difference...)
21:20:02 <runemaste> no ideaS?
21:22:54 <Bob> I guess you'll be stuck with ugly invoice for some more time :)
21:23:40 <runemaste> i know :(
21:26:36 <Bob> bye now!
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21:40:06 <runemaste> no ideas?
21:45:41 <runemaste> O.o
21:45:49 <runemaste> ill abandon that idea!
21:47:38 <runemaste> if only it was like an html file, rendered with something that supported css. that would be easy to customise to suit
21:49:59 <runemaste> ie intergrate Gecko into it or something, swap out preset strings (ie replace <!--GNUCASH['amount']--> with the amount or something)
21:50:06 <runemaste> before rendering'
21:50:27 <runemaste> i think ill stop talking to myself now :P
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