2009-01-27 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:07:56 <warlord> So... best way to migrate the server to a new vmhost: just copy the data across (disk image)? Or install a new VM and try to migrate the services? *ponders*
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00:46:32 <warlord> ... i should add.. from a raw machine to a vmhost...
01:00:56 <warlord> think about it.. more tomorrow
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08:23:43 <alban> I seem to have Lost data after upgradeing to gnucash 2.28
08:26:58 <alban> I have lots of log & xac Files can i revert back to 2.2.7 & Import them
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08:58:37 <warlord> alban: In what way do you think you've lost data?
09:29:15 <alban> when i open a credit card acount some transactions are chown as without a ammount allthoufgh the total to the right changes
09:30:08 <alban> and i seem to have lost a lot of Transfrerrs between accounts
09:30:41 <fbond> goodger: Did you write CSS for Docutils?
09:31:23 <alban> here is a list of files ...
09:32:04 <jsled> alban: please use pastebin
09:32:19 <jsled> also, I don't believe we need a list of files.
09:33:00 <jsled> The .xac files are timestamped backups. The .log files are more like transaction logs, but they're … incomplete.
09:33:11 <jsled> What file (name) did you open?
09:35:06 <alban> rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 14377212 2009-01-19 16:06 My Gnucash TSB.20090119160149.log
09:35:08 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 575772 2009-01-19 13:00 My Gnucash TSB.20090119160650.xac
09:35:09 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 19958 2009-01-19 16:11 My Gnucash TSB.20090119160651.log
09:35:11 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 575791 2009-01-19 16:06 My Gnucash TSB.20090119161152.xac
09:35:12 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 7193 2009-01-19 16:15 My Gnucash TSB.20090119161153.log
09:35:14 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 575986 2009-01-19 16:11 My Gnucash TSB.20090119161542.xac
09:35:15 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 809 2009-01-19 17:03 My Gnucash TSB.20090119161543.log
09:35:20 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 7838 2009-01-19 17:26 My Gnucash TSB.20090119170846.log
09:35:25 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 576475 2009-01-19 16:15 My Gnucash TSB.20090119170846.xac
09:35:28 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 10945 2009-01-19 17:33 My Gnucash TSB.20090119172738.log
09:35:31 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 576576 2009-01-19 17:08 My Gnucash TSB.20090119172738.xac
09:35:34 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 577726 2009-01-19 17:27 My Gnucash TSB.20090119173410.xac
09:35:36 <jsled> sigh
09:35:37 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 170 2009-01-19 17:34 My Gnucash TSB.20090119173411.log
09:35:40 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 578874 2009-01-19 17:34 My Gnucash TSB.20090119173412.xac
09:35:43 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 12179 2009-01-19 17:39 My Gnucash TSB.20090119173413.log
09:35:46 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 10350 2009-01-19 17:46 My Gnucash TSB.20090119173933.log
09:35:49 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 578874 2009-01-19 17:34 My Gnucash TSB.20090119173933.xac
09:35:52 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 12818 2009-01-19 17:51 My Gnucash TSB.20090119174630.log
09:35:55 <alban> -rw-r--r-- 1 alban alban 579896 2009-01-19 17:39 My Gnucash TSB.20090119174630.xac
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09:36:31 <warlord> good morning all.
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09:37:08 <jsled> alban: if you need to paste something, please use http://pastebin.ca/ or an equivalent service.
09:37:23 <warlord> hey, jsled: in migrating cvs.gnucash.org to a VM... Think I should do a clean install on a new VM and then migrate the services/data? Or should I try to take the existing disk image off the gnc server and migrate it to a VM and then (later) attempt a dist upgrade from F7 -> F10?
09:37:31 <alban> SORRY JAC I pasted before Seeing Your Comments
09:39:54 <alban> I am opening a file called my cnucash tsb it shows as 575Kb t
09:40:28 <jsled> warlord: I dunno. I'd probably just move everything over to a cleanly installed/fresh F10 VM.
09:40:36 <jsled> s/everything/svn services/
09:40:47 <jsled> Or, I guess you're saying "everything".
09:40:50 * jsled shrugs
09:41:09 <warlord> Yeah, svn, email, wiki.. For now I plan to still use a single VM for it.
09:41:27 <warlord> I'm just worried about things like upgrading SVN, MySQL, and Trac..
09:41:51 <warlord> .. getting all the user accounts migrated..
09:44:07 <warlord> But yes, we've down dist upgrades from FC1 -> FC4 -> F7. It's probably time for a fresh install.
09:48:07 <alban> ive found if i split the transaction i see the debited ammount
09:50:44 <alban> warlord whats the best way to sort this out i dont have enoughth info to report a bug can i start gnucash from the command line with extra reoprting ...
09:53:36 <warlord> alban: I dunno.. The data is clearly there. What OS/Distro?
09:57:02 <alban> its kubuntu i64 I have Upgradeded gnucash to gnucash_2.2.8-1~getdeb2_amd64.deb & gnucash-common_2.2.8-1~getdeb2_all.deb these were the debian installes pionted to from the gnucash site ...
09:58:05 <alban> its rather strange
09:59:42 <alban> in the older version if i entered a transaction into a account it showed the amount i had typed and the total on the right
10:01:45 <warlord> I've never seen this.
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10:05:48 <warlord> Maybe talk to the builders?
10:07:52 <alban> OK warlord I Think I will Revert Back to 2.2.6 Ive Just Forced a resize & I Now have a extra colum to the right of the ballance amount with 0 or 1 in the colums & you cannot change !!!
10:08:38 <alban> Ime now scratching my head and Getting More Splinters (GRIN)
10:08:40 <warlord> And what's the title of that column? (that should probably be be the "exchange rate" column)
10:09:00 <warlord> ... which yes, is un-editable..
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10:12:20 <alban> No There is no title in it and if the entery has no ammount the value is 0 and if there is a amount the value is 1 ive just tried it
10:13:12 <alban> thanks for your help anyway I Just thought i would Upgrade ...
10:22:17 <warlord> Yeah, that's the exchange rate column. feel free to shrink it back to 0 size.
10:26:37 <alban> THANKS anf Bye I will ask the (K)ubuntu lot (nicely) if they will release a newer version ...
10:46:51 <warlord> good luck at that.
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10:56:19 <goodger> fbond: I did not. the other benjamin goodger may well have done so
11:01:33 <goodger> alban: they won't
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11:40:21 <warlord> linas: ping?
12:36:53 <linas> pong
12:37:02 <linas> dns?
12:42:03 <warlord> yep.
12:42:08 <warlord> same problem, still. :(
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14:10:31 <warlord> jsled: ping?
14:10:35 <jsled> pong
14:11:31 <warlord> So I've finally got the vmhost up and vmware running, and I can finally actually connect to it..
14:11:47 <warlord> so now it's time to work on the "new" cvs.gnucash.org VM..
14:12:26 <warlord> So which do you think would be easier, a fresh F10 install and then migrating all the data and services? Or migrating the disk image and then upgrading to F10 in the VM?
14:14:15 <jsled> I don't know, really. I'd probably guess the former.
14:14:43 <warlord> I suspect it's about the same amount of work either way
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14:53:53 <warlord> jsled: okay, so followup question: x86 or x86_64? Probably just x86 -- we don't need 86_64 for the server.
14:55:02 <jsled> I suppose that's true, yes.
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18:04:53 <lenscape> I can't figure out how to make the Tax Included? field on an invoice updatable
18:06:47 <warlord> What do you mean, "updatable"?
18:07:04 <lenscape> it's greyed out and I can't edit it
18:07:25 <warlord> Do you have a TaxTable chosen?
18:07:27 <lenscape> I'm assuming it doesn't think I do vat
18:07:48 <lenscape> where do I choose a tax table? I've hunted all over
18:08:03 <warlord> Um,in the Tax Table column..
18:08:12 <lenscape> warlord: that's greyed out too
18:08:49 <warlord> Did you define any tax tables?
18:09:14 <lenscape> in Business/Tax table editor?
18:09:15 <lenscape> yes
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18:10:31 <warlord> I'm still not sure what you mean by "greyed out". Can you take and post a screen shot?
18:12:02 <lenscape> oh shit. I'm really sorry. I took the X in "Taxable?" to mean no not yes.
18:12:28 <warlord> * SIGH *
18:12:52 <lenscape> well, it's a cross. It means no (sometimes!)
18:13:39 <warlord> Well, it'll eventually be a CheckBox, but the gnome graphics were never implemented for that in the register.
18:13:41 <goodger> lenscape: do not sigh at the british. we will wear sunglasses next time
18:14:00 <lenscape> I am British
18:14:36 <goodger> hence why I told him not to sigh at you
18:14:40 <goodger> oh, bollocks
18:14:46 <goodger> warlord: do not sigh at the british. etc
18:14:52 <lenscape> ok - another question. Can I use Schedued Transactions to create a standard invoice each month?
18:16:52 <warlord> lenscape: nope.
18:17:09 <lenscape> bum
18:17:25 <lenscape> any other way to simplify the process?
18:17:29 <lenscape> template invoice?
18:19:22 <warlord> nope
18:20:21 <lenscape> cool.
18:20:26 <lenscape> warlord: Thanks anyway
18:20:32 <warlord> Sorry.
18:20:56 <lenscape> no apology necessary. It's still better than doing it the long way
18:21:21 <lenscape> how's progress on the database version going?
18:21:58 <lenscape> also is 2.2.8 file compatible with 2.2.7?
18:26:12 <jsled> yes.
18:26:47 <lenscape> jsled: thanks
18:27:06 <warlord> Haven't tried it.
18:28:58 <lenscape> when you're entering an invoice, you can do most from the keyboard but you have to switch to the mouse to toggle Taxable? Is there a keyboard shortcut for that?
18:30:03 <warlord> Nope.
18:30:20 <warlord> (only mouse)
18:31:14 <lenscape> ok. Cheers.
18:55:35 <lenscape> how do I make a £0.01 on a vendor invoice to allow for rounding?
18:55:43 <lenscape> ^adjustment*
18:56:24 <lenscape> sorry if that's a lame question. I'm not experienced with this stuff
18:57:38 <warlord> Add an extra line item?
18:57:51 <lenscape> it's in the VAT
18:58:30 <warlord> That doesn't negate my comment.
18:58:33 <warlord> Add an extra line item.
18:58:58 <lenscape> How do I adjust the VAT by 1p?
19:00:15 <lenscape> The tax amount is calculated. I can't influence that with a line item
19:00:23 <lenscape> without bodging the other totals
19:04:14 <warlord> yes you can.. just assign the line item to the vat account directly.
19:05:35 <lenscape> I wondered about that.
19:05:40 <lenscape> OK. Thanks
19:06:19 <lenscape> it just doesn't affect the tax total at the bottom of the window
19:08:52 <warlord> Correct.
19:09:01 <warlord> It wont show up as a "tax" per se.
19:09:21 <lenscape> as long as my accountant is happy :)
19:09:24 <warlord> But for a vendor bill you dont have to print it out -- you just need the txn to be correct.
19:09:35 <warlord> anyways, i'm late. gotta run.
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23:20:03 <fbond> joslwah: You probably noticed, I've put up a new patch fixing the budget reports.
23:20:18 <fbond> Please let me know if it gets committed.
23:20:19 <fbond> Thanks.
23:27:56 <fbond> Any report system experts around?
23:28:30 <fbond> I'd really like to extend the Budget Income Statement to be able to show budget vs. actual figures, but that would require adding an additional column to the report.
23:28:49 <fbond> Unfortunately, html-acct-table does not appear to be friendly to that kind of modification.
23:29:04 <fbond> I'm hoping someone can point out that I am wrong with that assessment.
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