2009-01-24 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:49:46 <ryan> Are there any uk banks that support integration with gnucash?
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08:51:13 <ryan> OFX connections.
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08:59:07 <robtaylor> ryan: google tells me http://moneydance.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1192456245
09:02:23 <ryan> That seems to confirm my current thinking that nationwide is the only one that does realtime OFX. Barclays is on that list, for example, but the only support they have is to download files in OFX format.
09:02:48 <ryan> It would perhaps we easier if OFX wasn't the name for both a file format and a protocol :-)
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10:11:09 <ams> can one import a gnuash file in gnucash?
10:11:23 <andi5> just open the file
10:11:33 <ams> i wish to merge multiple files, so no, that won't work
10:13:16 <ams> or somehow export a gnucash file to qif, and then import it again..
10:16:32 <andi5> no, i do not think there is an easy way to merge gnucash files
10:16:49 <ams> ok, any non-easy way?
10:20:20 <andi5> try http://gnucashtoqif.sourceforge.net/ and then import the file... never done that though
10:23:25 <ams> thanks, will try that
10:37:59 <warlord> yeah, i'd recommend the gnucash-2-qif approach.
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11:16:30 <Administrator> does someone know, if theres an addon to use gnucash for / with Pocket PCs ??
11:17:47 <jsled> I don't believe so.
11:17:51 <jsled> It comes up every year or so.
11:18:10 <Administrator> Is there a feature request ?
11:18:36 <jsled> probably
11:18:49 <jsled> but that's almost irrelevant.
11:19:15 <jsled> If someone's not inclined to do the work, the presence of a feature request won't change anything. And if they are, they don't need a feature request.
11:19:16 <Administrator> What you mean with "It comes up every year or so." ??
11:19:29 <jsled> About once a year someone asks about it.
11:19:42 <jsled> congrats! You're that person this year! :)
11:20:04 <Administrator> Why irrelevant ?? ... I think its important nowaday, that you can do your work outside home !
11:20:22 <Administrator> smile ^^
11:20:40 <jsled> No, the feature isn't irrelevant.
11:20:50 <jsled> Having a "Feature Request" for it is.
11:20:51 <warlord> It's irrelevant that there be a feature request in some database
11:21:15 <warlord> as jsled said: <jsled> If someone's not inclined to do the work, the presence of a feature request won't change anything. And if they are, they don't need a feature request.
11:22:45 <Administrator> I don´t know someone who code it ... think its complex ?? ... or could it be made by a comercial coder ?
11:23:28 <jsled> moderately- to overly-complex, depending on how it's done. yes, a commercial coder could do it, sure.
11:24:27 <Administrator> Think it need just a database and one formular to imput, and a sync system ... okay, little complex ^^
11:25:09 <ams> Administrator: would you like to work on adding this to gnucash?
11:25:36 <jsled> yeah, if it's just uni-directional (input expenses as incurred on palm, import later into gnucash) then something stand-alone that generates a QIF-format file could work well.
11:25:38 <Administrator> good question ... i need it ... think about and tell you later ...
11:25:54 <jsled> Hell, one could even write the QIF by hand; it's a very simple format.
11:26:22 <ams> i'd rather see gnucash get some speed... it is terribly slow
11:26:23 <jsled> A step more complex would be to export a read-only version of the imported data back to the device so it could be reviewed.
11:26:39 <jsled> Anything more bi-directional than that gets complicated very quick.
11:28:03 <Administrator> right .. there has be be a "summe" of accounts ... don´t think about it ...
11:28:49 <Administrator> There also have to be the account names ...
11:29:20 <Administrator> I write down a simple feature request and give you later ^^
11:30:01 <Administrator> to control ^^
11:30:23 <Administrator> Cya
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11:31:08 <warlord> ams: what OS/Distro do you use?
11:31:11 <warlord> (define "slow")
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11:34:48 <ams> warlord: GNU/gNewSense
11:35:05 <ams> warlord: 2sec to move up or down between transactions
11:35:17 <warlord> What CPU?
11:35:28 <ams> Atom, intel
11:35:38 <warlord> And you're running GNU? I didn't even realize they had released the Hurd, let alone run an OS around it.
11:35:45 <warlord> I have no idea how GNU's speed could be
11:35:56 <ams> warlord: GNU runs with other kernels as well, like Linux
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11:36:45 <jsled> I don't believe http://www.gnewsense.org/static/homepage/ is hurd-based.
11:36:52 <warlord> Yes, but you didn't say you were running Linux, you said you were running GNU
11:37:00 <ams> warlord: and I am
11:37:04 <warlord> The GNU OS is Hurd
11:37:08 <ams> warlord: linux is not the operating system, it is GNU.
11:38:18 <warlord> In answer to the question I asked, your answer SHOULD have been: Linux/gNewSense.
11:38:31 <ams> warlord: you asked for the operating system, which happens to be GNU.
11:38:46 <ams> warlord: if you had asked for the kernel, you would be entierly correct
11:38:52 <warlord> Oh FUCK OFF
11:38:55 * jsled rolls eyes
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11:39:15 <jsled> How about GNU/Linux/gNewSense
11:39:20 <ams> warlord-afk: whatever rows your boat.
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11:39:44 <ams> didn't know that a GNU project was this hostile to GNU hackers.
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11:42:12 <jsled> I don't speak for warlord, but I'm just rolling my eyes at the near-intentional misdirection.
11:42:21 <ams> ?
11:42:38 <jsled> If you want to emphasise the role of GNU, fine. But if you're running linux, that's a salient detail too.
11:43:07 <jsled> For instance, there are specific slowdowns and problems we've seen on BSD kernels. Or Windows. Or OSX.
11:43:34 <ams> if warlord need that specific information, he could have simply asked "what kernel"
11:44:01 <ams> how on earth should i know that it is a salient detail?
11:44:04 <jsled> most everyone knows what we mean when we ask it that way.
11:44:53 <ams> i fail to see your hostility, it isn't very useful.
11:45:16 <jsled> well, because you choose to qualify it, so you know it's salient. You intentionally say "GNU" when everyone else would say "Linux"; many say "GNU/Linux".
11:45:38 <ams> sighs
11:45:53 <jsled> FWIW, I don't feel I'm hostile. Eye-rolling is a different gesture.
11:46:00 <ams> one would think that gnucash being a gnu project, people would be a bit friendly here...
11:46:38 <ams> if the answer was to vauge, it would have been a simple matter of asking what kernel, instead of throwing a tauntrum
11:46:49 * ams goes and hacks instead.
11:47:58 <jsled> ams: man, look back at the exchange. You were intentionally vague, as well.
11:48:03 <ams> (thanks for the help with gnuash-2-qif bit, worked magnificently)
11:49:00 <jsled> good. A real merge would be nice, and there was the start of one in the past, but the code never really materialized fully.
11:49:38 <ams> jsled: i was asked about the OS, and the OS is GNU, nothing vauge about it, what do you want me to write? "I'm using GNU/Linux with Linux version 2.6.26-1, running on a Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz, with glibc version yadydydaydaya"?
11:50:05 <ams> jsled: seriously, nothing was misleading about my answer, i find it insulting that you insist that it was
11:51:08 <ams> now please, stop wasting your time, and mine, lets hack something, it is a much more useful and more fun way to spend this weekend
11:51:28 <jsled> Well, saying GNU/Linux immediately would have been nice. But it was more after that. warlord guessed at Hurd, and rather than saying "No, not hurd, Linux", you re-insisted "GNU".
11:51:52 <ams> sighs
11:52:05 * jsled shrugs
11:52:07 <ams> linux, nor the hurd are operating systems
11:53:05 <jsled> nor is "GNU" a functionally useful description of one.
11:53:17 <jsled> Cause the kernel does matter.
11:53:32 <ams> in many cases it does, in equally many it doesn't.
11:53:40 <ams> if it matters, it is a simple matter of asking
11:53:48 <ams> now, _please_
11:53:53 <ams> stop wasting my time
11:53:57 <andi5> off topic...
11:53:59 <jsled> likewise.
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12:01:13 <joslwah> andi5, You able to have a quick chat?
12:02:05 <andi5> yep
12:02:15 <joslwah> I was wondering whether you were the dev that dealt with reports, given that the default assignee is you.
12:02:27 <andi5> bad luck...
12:02:48 <andi5> btw, do you mean "bug reports" or "gnucash reports"?
12:03:02 <joslwah> gnucash reports.
12:03:11 <andi5> oh, better ask jsled or someone else ;-)
12:03:26 <andi5> why is the default assignee me? :(
12:04:19 <joslwah> Ahh, just that when I submitted an enhancement to a report the assignee was you, by default. Was wanting to check whether that was right or else why it happened.
12:04:40 <joslwah> I also noticed you did the checkin for the new budget reports....
12:04:56 <joslwah> Not trying to finger you, just trying to establish how things split up.
12:04:56 <andi5> yeah, because nobody else does it ...
12:05:24 <joslwah> Do different people cover different areas?
12:05:33 <andi5> but i noticed that forest already found a bug filed for them, so he is obviously willing to further work on them
12:05:40 <andi5> what report?
12:05:52 <joslwah> Naah. I filed the bug, he's accepted he fouled up!
12:05:54 <joslwah> 8-)
12:06:13 <joslwah> The enhancement one was 568473.
12:07:35 <joslwah> Oh and forest is working on fixing his bug up.
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12:10:54 <andi5> i have no clue about reports, just like i have no clue about anything... but somehow this request sounds strange... i would rather have some knowledgeable check that...
12:11:34 <joslwah> Mind if I try and explain quickly?
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12:11:55 <andi5> format requirements would be: change the bug title to be more descriptive and include in the text what you need this change for :)
12:11:57 <andi5> hm...
12:12:17 <andi5> formal, i mean
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12:12:58 <joslwah> I have two bank account at the same bank. In general, for knowing how much money I'm getting in and paying out I'm not interested in how much is in each account of about transfers between the accounts. Hence not wanting transfers between the accounts to count towards the gain/loss columns.
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12:13:04 <kena> hello
12:13:21 <jsled> hello
12:13:43 <kena> I recently started to use gnucash, and I would like to know if there is a feature to predict the balance on an account based on scheduled transactions
12:13:48 <jsled> there is not
12:13:50 <joslwah> Currently, transfers between the accounts get double counted, once in the gain column and once in the loss. This patch changes that so that "internal" transfers, that is transfers between two accounts selected, get ignored.
12:13:58 <kena> aha
12:14:15 <jsled> kena: a (poor) workaround is to set them to create in advance some number of days.
12:14:27 <kena> yes I thought about this
12:14:31 <andi5> why do not you look at expense and income reports?
12:14:41 <joslwah> Because I want a graph over time.
12:14:50 <jsled> But then they're real transactions, and if you need to change the template or whatever, it will not update.
12:14:57 <jsled> s/it/they/
12:15:09 <kena> in another software I use (moneydance) I can write a query that returns virtual transactions over time for all occurrences of SXs without actually creating them
12:15:15 <kena> any chance I can write this in gnucash?
12:15:18 <kena> (I like scheme)
12:15:49 <jsled> only part of the code to support this would be in scheme … if any.
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12:16:11 <jsled> Really, it'd be nice to have some sort of abstract/non-ui and non-report model that does all the heavy lifting.
12:16:13 <kena> which means that gnucash needs to be extended to do this?
12:16:20 <jsled> That would be in C.
12:16:25 <kena> heh
12:16:27 <jsled> Well, yes.
12:16:27 <kena> I hate C
12:16:44 <kena> hmm
12:16:47 <kena> well, so be it
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12:18:22 <kena> this is annoying: I haven't yet found a single "simple" accounting software that has balance prediction based on SXs, and I have to manage it manually in a spreadsheet
12:18:36 <kena> looks like I will have to do some coding eventually
12:18:37 <kena> bleh
12:19:37 <kena> another question: I can't get MT940 import to work
12:19:55 <kena> I do File -> Import -> from MT940
12:19:56 <kena> I select my file
12:20:06 <kena> and then the dialog closes and nothing happens - no error message, nothing in the log file
12:20:17 <kena> and the transactions are not imported
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12:20:17 <jsled> which log file?
12:20:41 <kena> gnucash --logto
12:21:07 <jsled> I don't really know anything about the MT940 importer.
12:21:27 <jsled> one generic thing would be to strace it and see if there's any sort of loading error there.
12:21:33 <andi5> joslwah: hm... i am not sure that is necessary... is not the profit column essentially what you are looking for then?
12:21:47 <jsled> (like, guessing, an error loading a shared library that the mt940 importer (infra) depends on.
12:21:48 <jsled> )
12:21:59 <kena> what I've seen is that "before" there was a dedicated module; since aqbanking has been imported the feature now uses aqbanking's code
12:22:13 <kena> however as far as I can see aqbanking gets mt940 data over an online banking connection
12:22:20 <kena> and is not natively targeting local files
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12:22:32 <joslwah> andi5, I'm also wanting to see how much my monthly profit or loss is compared to the amount of money coming in or going out.
12:22:51 <joslwah> andi5, And in that case the money moved around internally can make a huge difference.
12:24:00 <kena> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=557374
12:24:00 <kena> heh
12:24:09 <kena> I'm using 2.2.8 and apparently the bug still happens...
12:25:50 <andi5> i am not sure that is the correct report for that question, or at least gain/loss... someone else should know that ;-)
12:27:23 <joslwah> O.k. I'll chat with someone else later. Currently looking at recurrences to see how much work kena might have.
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12:31:44 <jsled> the existing SX code will create the instance of a (sub)set of SX forward to an arbitrary point.
12:32:14 <jsled> So, iterating over that list and modifying the balance of an account is relatively strightforward.
12:32:30 <jsled> (assming the template transactions don't contain any variables)
12:52:34 <kena> yes blaance prediction only makes sense as long as the SXs don't reference the balance of the account being modified
12:53:11 <kena> is there a predicate to test whether a SX formula is "independent" from a specific account?
12:53:41 <jsled> hmm
12:53:41 <jsled> ?
12:54:12 <kena> yes looking at the template fields
12:54:30 <kena> I'd like to skip the SXs whose templates contain formulas that use the balance amount
12:54:41 <jsled> no formulas use the balance amount.
12:54:45 <jsled> there is no way to get at it.
12:54:50 <kena> heh
12:54:57 * kena reads the doc again
12:54:59 <jsled> (which is another oft-asked-for SX feature)
12:55:50 <jsled> both for real-world load-repayment formulæ and like interest payments/charges on savings/credit-card accounts.
12:55:56 <jsled> s/load/loan/
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21:03:25 <halycon> hey everyone! I recently started using GNUCash and am quite the fan I was just wondering if it is possible to show your assets in another currency as well as the default. So that I can see how much money I have in say NZD and also what it would be in CAD
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