2009-01-17 GnuCash IRC logs
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11:27:35 <ron_o> could gnucash be used for a small one man construction business? If it can, should I use it for such a thing?
11:29:32 <warlord> yes it can. should you that your choice
11:29:50 <warlord> er... "that's"
11:31:16 <ron_o> What I think I'll do is start out on this, well it's free ain't it.? :) Then see how it goes. See what limitations it has. You can never tell until you try, right?
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11:31:29 <ron_o> everything has its pluses and minuses.
11:31:37 <warlord> yep
11:31:49 <warlord> you should def. take time and read the docs
11:32:02 <ron_o> I will.
11:33:04 <ron_o> All I really need it for is to gather payments, keep track of people who paid (it's pay as you go for me.) so come tax time I know what I owe.
11:33:15 <warlord> right
11:33:36 <ron_o> that's what I wanted to know whether or not it can handle that.
11:34:00 <ron_o> I always thought gnucash was for personal only. That's why I asked.
11:34:04 <warlord> should be able to
11:34:22 <warlord> no, there have been small bus. features since 1.8
11:34:39 <ron_o> probably keep a book of me own, just in case. The accounting shouldn't be too hardcore.
11:34:43 <ron_o> ahh..
11:34:52 <ron_o> have it on me computer now.
11:35:32 <warlord> enjoy
11:36:15 <ron_o> and strangely, there's more and quicker help from the open source community than any business. No one believes me when I say that.
11:36:31 <ron_o> outside the open source comunity, that is. :)
11:37:24 <warlord> LOL
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12:54:47 <daved> is there a perl hook to reading gnucash data files... I want to create a report of my investment net worth on a daily basis and store it in an rrd graph
12:55:14 <warlord> nope, we dont have perl hooks.
12:55:34 * daved wheeps
12:55:39 <daved> :)
12:57:33 <daved> those scheme reports are just so scary
12:57:43 <warlord> Scheme is easy.
12:58:10 <daved> every programming language is easy once you know it :)
12:58:26 <warlord> Scheme is so easy that they use it for intro CS classes.
12:58:29 <warlord> (and have for decades)
12:59:27 <marcusb> scheme has an easy syntactical structure at least
12:59:35 <warlord> yep
12:59:41 <warlord> you can learn the syntax in a day
12:59:48 <daved> I teach assembly to my freshmen cs students... maybe I'll have one of them learn scheme and write me a report as extra credit
12:59:50 <warlord> really understanding it takes a bit longer.
12:59:57 <marcusb> far longer :)
13:00:15 <daved> yeah I was looking at some "intro guides" earlier
13:00:20 <daved> the syntax is super simple
13:00:24 <daved> similar to ML
13:00:34 <marcusb> structure and interpretation of computer programs is a calssic
13:00:53 <warlord> Yep, SICP is the definitive book.
13:01:21 <marcusb> but if you want something that is actually useful in real life, try that common lisp book
13:01:41 <marcusb> Practical Common Lisp
13:01:50 <marcusb> both are available online
13:01:55 <jsled> assembly?
13:02:00 <marcusb> no Lisp
13:02:06 <marcusb> for assembler, uh
13:02:06 <daved> yes assembly
13:02:13 <jsled> why would you teach assembly to freshmen cs students?
13:02:28 <gxti> to teach understanding of how processors work
13:02:33 <daved> we actually start with physical architecture
13:02:44 <marcusb> daved: if you want to teach assembler, you could do worse than using Knuth's virtual machine from the TAOCP book series
13:02:45 <daved> gates, logic, etc
13:03:16 <daved> work our way up to "building a computer"
13:03:24 <daved> then program it
13:03:25 <marcusb> otoh, knuth's language is totally useless :)
13:03:33 <marcusb> which asm do you teach?
13:03:38 <jsled> while understanding it is critical (it was optional while I was at school, but I strongly encouraged everyone to take the "low level" class), I'm pretty certain that's the wrong order.
13:03:41 <daved> lc3
13:04:09 <gxti> i won't disagree with you
13:04:19 <daved> we had huge debate on order
13:04:26 <daved> we used to save that for junior year
13:04:34 <daved> but totally flipped everything
13:04:40 <daved> to work from bottom up
13:04:47 <daved> instead of top down
13:05:05 <marcusb> I think you should learn everything at the same time :)
13:05:15 <daved> well second semester is C
13:05:42 <marcusb> LC-3, eh.
13:05:47 <daved> yeah
13:05:58 <marcusb> good that there is wikipedia :)
13:06:19 <daved> it does help
13:06:36 <daved> I have a bot at work in where I can just !wiki Article
13:06:46 <daved> no need for silly browsers
13:06:47 <daved> hahahaha
13:08:50 <marcusb> assembler is the better basic :)
13:09:29 <warlord> assembler makes sense when you're writing microcode/firmware when building up a computer. I remember doing that in 6.004 my sophomore year.
13:09:48 <daved> I wasn't convinced it was a good freshmen class until I taught the class... I had 2 "business" majors in the class... even they got it
13:10:08 <daved> though not until I put it into flow-charts
13:10:42 <marcusb> it's always good to know how things work under the hood, even if you only open the hood once in a while
13:12:42 <marcusb> gnucash makes me less afraid of managing my money, because everything becomes transparent once you enter all the data into it
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13:12:53 <marcusb> similar, understanding internals can make you less afraid of the computer
13:13:54 <daved> is there a repository of user submitted custom reports?
13:14:07 <daved> just to look at various levels of examples
13:15:30 <warlord> Nope, anything that's been submitted is now part of the distro.
13:16:26 <daved> not many people write their own reports?
13:18:12 <warlord> Not many, no.. Most of people's needs are filled by the existing reports.
13:18:50 <daved> yeah the reports are great :)
13:19:05 <daved> I love the day of the week expense pie chart
13:20:53 <aphexer> you need to enter expenses daily for that unfortunately :P
13:22:06 <daved> I rarely use cash anymore... other than for lunch and that's a pretty unvarying expense... I usually just balance the books once a week... or month depending
13:23:26 <warlord> you can still record your expenses every day
13:24:32 <daved> once a week I put what happened during that past week... yes if that's what you were saying
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19:01:50 <brashear> I have a question about duplicate transaction entries: My bank statements import and show a credit card payment. My credit card statements import and show the bank payment. When I assign each of these transactions source accounts, I then have two copies of each transaction in each account. How do I fix this?
19:02:35 <brashear> who
19:03:00 <warlord> You need to mark one as a dup of the other.
19:03:12 <brashear> How do I do that?
19:03:31 <warlord> In the importer.
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19:03:53 <brashear> Once its imported then it can't be fixed?
19:04:01 <warlord> Delete one.
19:04:37 <brashear> Okey Dokey, I didn't know if there was a way to consolidate them
19:04:40 <brashear> Thanks!
19:06:11 <warlord> in te importer you justneed to mark one as a dup of the other
19:11:44 <brashear> ahhh, they are getting flagged as red, but then still importing with an error
19:14:20 <gxti> there's some kind of bug there where it leaves a bunch of dead transactions
19:14:26 <gxti> if you close the account tab and reopen it, it may go away
19:14:48 <brashear> ahh, ok - Thanks for the help :)
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21:25:48 <gxti> hah... i found a very bizarre bug
21:27:12 <gxti> i set my account name separator to "/", and in the template TX editor (and as far as i can tell only there) if i try to edit the split for "Expenses/Taxes/State/Province", it interprets the last slash as a separator
21:27:50 <gxti> for some reason it doesn't do this in a normal account register
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