2009-01-15 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:51:45 <Frrsh> Hello i need to setup a VAT rate of 17.5% and 15% so it can be calculated on bills from suppliers! I'm lost can someone point me int he right direction?
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09:04:16 <warlord> Frrsh: Do you need both taxes simultaneously?
09:04:41 <Frrsh> i need the 17.5% for per uk goverment bringing in 15% then 15% from then onwards
09:06:20 <Frrsh> i have just stared using gnucash and i am putting on all my inoives from tax year 07/08 (from dec 24th 2007 onwards)
09:06:24 <Frrsh> if that makes sense?
09:08:56 <warlord> let me rephrase.. Do you need both the 17.5% and 15% on the same bills?
09:09:02 <Frrsh> no
09:09:18 <warlord> Okay, then just make two tax tables, one for the 17.5% and another for the 15%
09:10:03 <Frrsh> Business -> Tac Table Editor
09:10:05 <Frrsh> correct?
09:11:03 <warlord> Yes
09:11:40 <Frrsh> now it says Choose account. Does that mean I now need to make a VAT account in expenses? (im using the Business Accouts layout)
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09:12:25 <warlord> Sure, either expenses or a witholding account..
09:12:31 <warlord> Read the docs about VAT.
09:12:55 <warlord> gotta run for a minute.. BIAB.
09:14:43 <Frrsh> ok excellent thatnk you :)
09:17:19 <Frrsh> now i have a problem where by my gnucash keeps closing it self! Sometimes with an error other times now :S!
09:17:44 <Frrsh> happens just after i have made a bill posted it and saves then closed the bill tab!
09:36:53 <warlord> okay, back.
09:37:04 <warlord> Frrsh: you're running 2.2.8?
09:37:09 <warlord> That's a known problem..
09:37:11 <Frrsh> yes
09:37:14 <Frrsh> ahh
09:37:23 <Frrsh> shall i downgrade to 2.2.7?
09:37:34 <warlord> Unfortunately, yes. :(
09:37:49 <Frrsh> ok not a problem i would rather it be stable.
09:38:01 <Frrsh> now shall i uninstall then install
09:38:51 <warlord> Honestly I dont know.. I know upgrading works.. but I dont know about downgrading.
09:39:03 <warlord> We really should push out a 2.2.9 with this fix sooner rather than later.
09:39:41 <Frrsh> I shall keep an eye out for it. Do you need any more crash dumps? (im on windows)
09:42:10 <warlord> Nope. The bug has already been fixed in SVN.
09:42:22 <Frrsh> ok :)
09:43:05 <Frrsh> is there a windows version in the svn or just linux?
09:43:16 <warlord> It's all the same source code.
09:43:41 <Frrsh> im guessing you need to complie from the svn then
09:45:11 <warlord> Yeah
09:45:16 <warlord> SVN is source only
09:49:27 <warlord> ... and last I heard we dont do regular win32 builds from trunk..
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10:19:42 <Frrsh> now that i have made those tax tables do i have to do anything in the Edit -> Tax Options window?
10:21:02 <warlord> No, that's completley different.
10:21:14 <warlord> But you do need to apply the tax tables to your invoice line items.
10:21:56 <Frrsh> yeah twig that bit already :) now i ahve got an invoice in USD is it best to enter it as USD or convert it into GBP and put that in?
10:27:04 <warlord> Ummm...
10:27:27 <warlord> I think it's easier if you can convert everything to your own currency.
10:27:43 <Frrsh> ok thankyou :)
10:27:55 <Frrsh> just wanted a second opion on it :)
10:29:59 <warlord> :)
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11:13:31 <LordZed> Hi! I've got a question! I want to know where I have to create an account for liabilities. Means I am lending me or someone some money and want to know how much i'm getting from him or he is getting from me! Is this activa or passiva?
11:14:22 <LordZed> i mean... i don't realy have this money... so i think it has to be passiva, or not?
11:14:34 <jsled> We don't support the "activa/passiva" concepts. Create a Liability account at the top level. If you use the "Common Accounts" hierarchy (or any of them, really) you should already have a top-level Liabilities account.
11:15:14 <LordZed> hm... the gnucash i'm using support activa and passiva ^^
11:16:09 <jsled> hmm. maybe it's just translated that way, then. As I understood it, German accounting has two distinct top-level classes of accounts with thsoe names, but the constraints built into GnuCash don't support nesting accounts that way.
11:16:27 <jsled> Where did those accounts come from? Did you create them that way?
11:16:56 <LordZed> ok! in english it is called liabilities for "Passiva" and assets for "Aktiva"
11:17:18 <jsled> Money you lend to someone else is generally considered an Asset to you.
11:17:18 <LordZed> so it has to be on the "Passiva" side if it is called "liabilities" in english! ;)
11:18:18 <jsled> It may not be a particularly liquid asset, but it's an Asset all the same. It's like a certificate of deposit, or just … well … it's just an illiquid asset.
11:20:47 <warlord> It's something you could "turn in" to get money.. (cash owed to you).
11:21:01 <warlord> vs. a liability which is money you owe to someone else.. a promise to pay.
11:22:22 <LordZed> ok... but i still don't understand what i have to book as asset and what is a liabilitie ;) because my creditcard account with the unpayed value is under liabilities. but isn't that some kind of liabilitie, too? or do i have to book money i lend someone to another account then money i'm lending from someone!?
11:22:48 <jsled> yes. Those are fundamentally opposite things, right?
11:23:08 <jsled> Credit Cards are a liability, yes.
11:23:58 <LordZed> so money i'm lending from someone has to be under liabilities and money im lending someone under assets?
11:24:04 <warlord> yes
11:25:45 <LordZed> hm... but then i have to calculate how much that person owe me ;) or i have to write a report for that... just another reason to take a look at that scripting-language ;)
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11:27:41 <jsled> huh?
11:28:02 <warlord> HUH?
11:28:04 <jsled> The current balance of the {Assets:Money Owed To Me:Buddy} account will show you how much that person owes you.
11:28:08 <gxti> WARGH
11:28:35 <jsled> WARGHUH?
11:28:38 <warlord> I loan $10 to jsled.. and chris loans $10 to me. The former is an asset to me, the latter is a liability to me.
11:28:38 <jsled> :)
11:29:02 <gxti> hurrrr
11:29:31 <gxti> LordZed: make an account under assets for lent money. if you lend money to one person frequently, you can even make a subaccount for them, and then you can see the balance owed easily.
11:31:27 <LordZed> yes, but what is if i'm lending someone 10$ and then i'm lending me 5$ from the same person... the first is an asset the second a liabilitie... so i can't see anywhere that he owes me 5$. only if i book 5$ from the asset to the liabilitie to make it 0... then i can see it :-P
11:31:51 <goodger> you can set up a contra, sure
11:31:57 * jsled nods
11:32:31 <jsled> either setup both accounts, like you said, or "fudge" and just "erase" their loan by the amount they "paid" you back.
11:32:48 <jsled> It's kind a question then of what's more convenient.
11:35:26 <LordZed> yeah! i think the easiest way is to create an aset account for every person and book all the money i'm lending me or i'm lending this person to this account. means for the sum of the asset it makes no difference. or i create it as a liabilitie but then i have to pay attention that positiv values is money i owe somebody ;)
11:35:41 <warlord> That works too.
11:35:54 <warlord> Just decide if more often than not you're loaning them money or they are loaning you money.
11:36:36 <LordZed> yes, but i think it's not the way it's meant to be! But it's just an accounting for me and not for anybody ;)
11:38:50 <LordZed> ok! so to make it right I have to create 2 accounts for every person... to make it clearly arranged it whould be enough to create one under asset or liabilities ^^
11:42:45 <goodger> *nod*
11:44:04 <jsled> And that decision is probably based on which you do more frequently.
11:44:17 <LordZed> yes :)
11:45:00 <LordZed> or based on the fact that i like to see money i owe someone as a red number with a - in front of it... means i'm creating the account as asset ;)
11:46:02 <LordZed> thank you for your patience ;) now I only have to solve the problem from yesterday that i want to know how much money is left on that day if i whould clear all the liabilities and all sheduled transactions until that day whould be made...
11:46:33 <LordZed> where can i find out anything about that scripting-language for the reports? ;)
12:08:55 <LordZed> ok! i'm searching a little bit into the internet for some report-tutorials or such stuff ;)
12:09:06 <LordZed> cya and thx for help
12:13:48 <jsled> LordZed: fwiw…
12:14:04 <LordZed> fwiw?
12:14:11 <jsled> you can change a preference so Liabilities are not sign-reversed, so they'll show up in red.
12:14:16 <jsled> (for what it's worth...)
12:14:16 <goodger> for what it's worth
12:14:34 <jsled> Also, see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports
12:15:03 <LordZed> ah ok thx ;)
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12:48:08 <MountainX> newbie here. Can gnucash import an OFX file containing multiple accounts?
12:48:34 <warlord> I believe it can.
12:49:08 <MountainX> thank you. By chance is there a test OFX file available that I could try?
12:49:57 <MountainX> I just tried to make such a file myself and gnucash only imported the first account from the file, so I think I may not have the file format correct.
12:50:22 <jsled> why are you making OFX files by hand?
12:51:03 <gxti> to see if it works, probably
12:51:19 <gxti> i know my bank can make such files; i have not tried actually importing them
12:51:20 <warlord> MountainX: where are you getting this multi-account OFX file?
12:51:24 <MountainX> I combined two OFX files from my bank to see if gnucash could read multiple accounts from one OFX file.
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12:52:23 <jsled> gxti: It could be "I have CSV data I want to import", which has different response… just mkaing sure.
12:52:25 <warlord> No, that wouldn't work.
12:53:01 <MountainX> My plan is to convert a CSV file with a full year's worth of transactions to OFX and then import all that data into gnucash. If I have to do each account individually it will take 100 times as long.
12:53:44 <warlord> Do it via QIF.
12:54:11 <MountainX> OK, so QIF is better for multiple accounts in one file?
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12:56:50 <jsled> it's an easier format to create.
12:56:52 <LordZed> hi! it's me again :-P does anybody know how i can read out the sheduled transactions for a report? :-P
12:56:54 <jsled> The importers behave differently.
12:56:58 <jsled> LordZed: you cannot
12:57:30 <LordZed> damn! ;) so i cant let it calculate how much money is left for the month ^^
12:57:38 <jsled> LordZed: /me remembers we spoke before. In the report code, you'll need to call some internal API to get at the scheduled transactions.
12:57:46 <aindilis`> Is there a way for gnucash to automatically anticipate upcoming (recurrent) payments based on payment history and help to budget for them? Also, I was wondering if there was a script OFX or whatever that can tell if I'm overdrawn, that I can cron...
12:57:53 <aindilis`> If not I can write these
12:58:11 <jsled> aindilis`: no, it will not auto-recognize recurring payment flows. And budgeting will not use any defined SXes.
12:58:24 <jsled> LordZed: you can, but there's like 2 dozen steps between here and there.
12:58:38 <jsled> "a script OFX or whatever"
12:58:39 <jsled> ?
12:58:42 <jsled> lolol.
12:58:53 <aindilis`> I mean something that talks to my bank account - I forgot what the standard is called
12:59:00 <aindilis`> I have it pulling down my purchases
12:59:07 <MountainX> warlord: I'm looking at QIF format. I do not see how it would support multiple accounts in one file. OFX has tags that would appear to support multiple accounts in one file.
12:59:20 <warlord> MountainX: it does.
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12:59:50 <aindilis`> jsled: should I write a payment predictor module?
12:59:55 <LordZed> hm ok! so it whould take much time to do it by myself ;) i can't imagine, that nobody ever wanted to know how much money is left for him for the rest of the month... is there somewhere some kind of database with custom reports to download? :-P
13:00:45 <aindilis`> jsled: I have an (auto-didact) background in machine learning / AI
13:01:25 <jsled> LordZed: no, any reports that people have contributed, we ship.
13:01:40 <jsled> But, most of the work here would be related to, but not directly, report-scripting.
13:01:54 <jsled> There's some infrasturcture to setup to let the report "easily" access the scheduled transaction data.
13:02:04 <jsled> And, yes, people want it.
13:02:09 <jsled> no one's written it, yet.
13:02:33 <jsled> aindilis`: a stand-alone predictor might be useful, but only if you then actually hook it up and stuff.
13:02:47 <aindilis`> well is there a straightforward API?
13:03:06 <jsled> Well, I suppose you could just contribute the predictor and see what happens, but … I'm pessimistic, so maybe not the best person to ask.
13:03:09 <aindilis`> I'll write a standalone, processing using perl module the QIF export (if this makes sense, I don't know what I'm talking about)
13:03:10 <jsled> Sure.
13:04:24 <aindilis`> I wrote something yesterday that automatically categorized my bookmarks using text clustering modules.
13:05:15 <aindilis`> is there a dataset that I can work with - my own records have times missing because I forget to pull down records before they expire. I realize that I can just use "positive-only" training, but am interested in a larger dataset for testing/training purposes.
13:05:38 <jsled> I don't know if we have a good dataset.
13:05:55 <jsled> There is no export
13:06:00 <aindilis`> hrm
13:06:01 <jsled> but the gnucash data file is pretty straightofrward
13:06:03 <aindilis`> k
13:06:04 <jsled> straightforward, even.
13:06:12 <aindilis`> is there a perl module that parses it?
13:06:20 <aindilis`> don't want to repeat work there
13:06:23 <jsled> There's also a clear API around the "engine", with SWIG bindings
13:06:27 <aindilis`> nice
13:06:30 <jsled> perl … I don't think so.
13:06:39 <aindilis`> SWIG as in that UofC multi-programming language system
13:06:50 <aindilis`> k
13:06:53 <jsled> "UofC"?
13:06:58 <aindilis`> university of chicago
13:07:27 <jsled> Yeah (though that only seems to be a small part of its pedigree) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swig
13:07:50 <aindilis`> oh. also, one last thing before I start, any idea as to whether I can cron something to download my records, and cron something to check that I'm not overdrawn?
13:08:27 <LordZed> jsled: ok! then I have to hope! ;) 'cause I don't know that scripting-language and so it whould be difficult to write a script that tells me how much money is left for the rest of the month including the not yet booked scheduled transactions! ;)
13:08:40 <goodger> aindilis`: if you can execute it using sh, you can cron it
13:09:48 <MountainX> I need more advice on importing a year's worth of transactions from a spreadsheet (OO Calc). I have Calc2Qif. I simply do not want to do each account one at a time. I want to import a single file containing all transactions into gnucash. What's the best way to do this? Thanks.
13:10:57 <aindilis`> okay, thanks guys :) keep up the good work
13:11:20 <jsled> MountainX: the problem is that I believe both importers only apply their learnings to subsequent files imported.
13:11:34 <jsled> the OFX importer has a better matcher. The QIF importer is easier to write files for.
13:11:49 <jsled> So, you kinda want to work in batches.
13:12:23 <jsled> Ideally, the ifrst batch would have the smallest number of sufficient transactions for you to do the account mapping, and subsequent imports would leverage that to auto-map everything.
13:12:24 <MountainX> I guess you could call it batches... I just want to efficiently get a lot of data into gnucash.
13:12:43 <jsled> I'm not talking about your "one file per account" thing, mind you.
13:13:11 <jsled> What are the accounts in your "each account" above?
13:14:09 <MountainX> jsled: there are a variety of bank accounts, credit card accounts, investment accounts and a few other basic A & L accounts.
13:14:39 <jsled> Ah, source-side accounts, then. So, probably, a ton of implied Expense accounts, too.
13:14:52 <MountainX> yes
13:15:41 <MountainX> let me share my full idea with you because others might be interested in doing this...
13:17:51 <MountainX> I have previously used MS Money but I want to ditch my last Microsoft product. I looked at all solutions, but didn't find one that fit my needs. So my idea is to aggregate all my accounts using Yodlee.com. Then export transactions from Yodlee to a spreadsheet. Then import all those transactions to gnucash. But the import process has to be efficient.
13:18:32 <warlord> Why not export your Money accounts as QIF?
13:18:56 <warlord> If you can download the OFX from Yodlee that would be better.
13:19:03 <MountainX> 1. I'm no longer planning to use Money.
13:19:15 <MountainX> 2. Yodlee only provides CSV
13:20:14 <MountainX> The Yodlee CSV format is Status,Date,Original Description,Split Type,Category,Currency ,Amount,User Description,Memo ,Classification, Account Name,Transaction Id
13:21:41 <MountainX> My desire is to get this Yodlee formatted CSV into gnucash at regular intervals. I have Calc2Qif, but it only puts one account into each QIF file. I simply want to be able to import all the transactions from all accounts into gnucash with one import operation.
13:22:30 <jsled> Maybe skip Calc2Qif out, and just massage it yourself?
13:22:38 <jsled> I guess you're already there
13:23:03 <jsled> sorry, don't know the OFX stuff, can't really help. /me withdraws
13:23:24 <warlord> MountainX: you can load multiple qif files in one import operation..
13:24:17 <MountainX> I was thinking about hiring someone to write some code to help me achieve my goal...
13:25:25 <aindilis`> MountainX: I might help if I can use the dataset to train my recurring payments detector
13:25:28 <aindilis`> how big is your dataset?
13:25:36 <MountainX> warlord: thanks - I'll experiment with that now. Then I would only have to deal with creating multiple QIF files (one for each account)
13:25:52 <warlord> Right.
13:26:21 <MountainX> aindilis: the data file is small at the moment because I'm starting this for 2009.
13:26:27 <aindilis`> oh okay
13:33:39 <LordZed> is there a possibility to save a gnucash-file with a password?
13:34:26 <MountainX> LordZed: use file and directory permissions maybe. Or use disk encryption (or truecrypt)
13:34:34 <warlord> LordZed: sure, use TruCrypt
13:35:04 <LordZed> yeah ok! but theres no option directly in gnucash - that was what i meant! ;)
13:35:28 <warlord> Nope. See the FAQ.
13:35:38 <LordZed> ;) sry k thx :-P
13:43:51 <MountainX> I would like to hire a developer to modify Calc2Qif so that it will output multiple accounts in a single file in a format that is very friendly to gnucash. Anyone here interested? I think this would be a widely useful tool.
13:46:48 <MountainX> where should I post my request? And where could I find documentation on gnucash's QIF importer?
13:48:50 <warlord> I would try gnucash-devel?
13:49:37 <MountainX> thx
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13:54:46 <LordZed> oh yes! still got a question :-P the last for today ;) in my bookings there is a row named "J" and i can switch it between "n" and "b" ... what is this for? ^^
13:55:37 <warlord> "reconciliation status"
13:55:42 <warlord> Read the docs on reconciliation.
13:56:23 <LordZed> ok thx ;)
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13:58:47 <LordZed> i've got the german manual ;) can you tell me the page where i can find this? ;)
13:59:24 <warlord> Of course not.
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13:59:33 <warlord> I have no idea where it is in the german manual.
13:59:46 <warlord> Try the English version?
14:00:21 <LordZed> hm... ok
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14:13:08 <LordZed> *lol* cool! that was the feature i was missing, when i was taking a look at gnucash the first time :-P and it was there... all the time... :-D
14:14:20 <warlord> hahahaha
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14:58:02 <LordZed> hm... now the AqBanking-Tool does not react if i'm setting up a user with TAN/PIN and want to click ok ^^
14:58:34 <warlord> I know nothing about AqB..
14:59:20 <LordZed> hm... perhaps the HBCI is not yet activatet in my account. I think I have to call the customerservice tomorrow ;)
15:01:40 <warlord> couldn't tell ya
15:03:38 <LordZed> ;) i'm gone! cya
15:03:48 <LordZed> thx for all your help ;)
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16:15:06 <warlord> jsled: ping?
16:15:10 <warlord> @op jsled
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16:39:52 <Moriarty> Hi, I want to report a few bugs.
16:41:13 <warlord> bugzilla is the best place.
16:41:13 <Moriarty> Well this is a lively place. :-/
16:41:31 <warlord> GEEZE! Two whole minutes before you gripe..
16:41:41 <Moriarty> Sorry.
16:41:55 <warlord> Didn't you read the /topic?
16:41:58 <Moriarty> Yes, but I don't want to have to sign up for an account. That never makes sense to me - every software package wants you to sign up for its own bugzilla.
16:42:03 <Moriarty> Nope. Don't know how to.
16:42:26 <Moriarty> \topic
16:43:11 <warlord> The topic should have been printed to you as soon as you joined.
16:43:26 <warlord> As for bugzilla... We dont have our own. We use Gnome
16:44:15 <Moriarty> I noticed, but that still requires a user register before submitting bugs. As I said, never understood that, it just adds an extra barrier.
16:44:23 <Moriarty> No topic printed that I can tell. just a list of usernames.
16:44:26 <warlord> Stops the spam
16:44:29 <warlord> or at least limits it
16:46:27 <Moriarty> These were with gnucash-2.2.7-setup - windows. They're not all bugs, a couple are more suggestion related.
16:46:27 <Moriarty> date inputs should be able to take any common delimiter. Not just - (I.e. /\., etc). Some inputs already can, the transaction sheet can't (though the popup for duplicate creation can - very inconsistant).
16:46:28 <Moriarty>
16:46:28 <Moriarty> A "Accounts" mode where it is easier to edit the accounts. This would be used during initialisation only.
16:46:28 <Moriarty>
16:46:28 <Moriarty> Different accounts sets for different countries as different countries have different taxes etc.
16:46:30 <Moriarty>
16:46:32 <Moriarty> Ability to tag transactions and conclusions thereof.
16:46:34 <Moriarty>
16:46:36 <Moriarty> Why are there piddly windows when transfering a balance from one account to another? They're functionally useless.
16:46:39 <Moriarty>
16:46:41 <Moriarty> Formatting of "General Ledger" report on the screen is somewhat off.
16:48:00 <warlord> we have different account hierarchies for each locale.
16:48:12 <warlord> I'm not sure what you mean by "tag txn"
16:48:24 <warlord> I dont know what "piddly windows" you mean.
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16:48:36 <warlord> The date input sugestion should be filed in bugzilla.
16:48:45 <Moriarty> I'll let someone with an account do that.
16:48:48 <warlord> the report formatting.
16:49:01 <warlord> If you do that, I can guarantee you it wont get done.
16:49:28 <Moriarty> That is a choice for someone else to make. I've done my due diligence and reported them.
16:49:37 <warlord> Nope, you've done nothing
16:49:43 <warlord> reporting here is useless.
16:49:50 <Moriarty> I reported them here. Is this not the official channel?
16:50:01 <Moriarty> Or is the website lying?
16:50:06 <warlord> Define "official channel"
16:50:12 <warlord> This is not a bug reporting service
16:50:16 <mulicheng> It's the official chat channel, not the official bug report location.
16:50:19 <Moriarty> So what's it for?
16:50:19 <warlord> Or a feature requesting service
16:50:52 <warlord> generally, basic help, inter-developer communication, ..
16:51:17 <Moriarty> It occurs to me that this project is not being particularly flexible.
16:51:32 <warlord> neither are you
16:51:48 <Moriarty> I went to the effort to join an IRC channel.
16:51:55 <Moriarty> Something I've not done in years.
16:52:23 <warlord> And we're telling you how to report the issues you've found, assuming you ever want anyone to see/fix them.
16:52:30 <warlord> The people that matter aren't here right now.
16:52:31 <Moriarty> The piddly windows are where it says they are - when you transfer money between accounts.
16:52:49 <warlord> what do you mean by "where it says they are"?
16:53:12 <Moriarty> They're transfer windwos. for when you transfer money between accounts. That's where they are.
16:53:43 <warlord> Are the accounts in different currencies?
16:53:48 <Moriarty> Nope.
16:54:03 <Moriarty> I don't care either way if they're fixed. Unfortunately GNUCash isn't software that seems to be compatible with my accounts (It takes too much effort). I just reported them because I'm nice like that, if the project isn't interested in bug reports from anonymous people, then it's their loss.
16:54:28 <warlord> There are multiple ways to enter transactions.
16:54:43 <warlord> Usually you just open up the account register and enter it from there.
16:55:04 <Moriarty> I don't recall unfortunately. These have been lying around on my desktop for a couple of months. Sorry.
16:55:36 <Moriarty> Just look for windows that are too small to hold all the information in them without scrolling.
16:55:47 <warlord> I dont see it.
16:56:06 <Moriarty> Maybe they fixed it. Remember this is 2.2.7
16:56:25 <Moriarty> (and windows)
16:56:34 <warlord> 2.2.8 is current.. But it could be a windows-only thing.
16:56:39 * warlord doesn't do windows
16:57:01 <Moriarty> Heh
16:57:32 <Moriarty> Not unexpected from someone who's an Op on an IRC channel and uses OS accounting sftware.
16:57:41 <warlord> heh
16:58:30 <jsled> warlord: pong.
16:58:54 <warlord> jsled: got a gentoo question for you if you have a few minutes?
16:59:03 <jsled> warlord: sure
16:59:59 <warlord> I'm trying to find a "modern" i810 XF86 driver that isn't the "Intel" driver.. I'm found something that LOOKS like a modern xf86-video-i810 for gentoo and was wondering if you could look into that?
16:59:59 <jsled> Moriarty: by my reading, most of those are already known and/or filed.
17:00:10 <Moriarty> jsled - thanks
17:00:59 <jsled> warlord: x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel ?
17:01:27 <jsled> Ah, isn't the "intel" driver.
17:01:28 <warlord> That's not what I want. I really do want xf86-video-i810. The intel driver doesn't have dual-head support whereas the older i810 driver does.
17:01:47 <Moriarty> \quit
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17:02:02 <jsled> The only thing I see searching for 'i810' is 'app-misc/i810switch'
17:02:21 <jsled> Where do you see xf86-video-i810?
17:03:38 <warlord> I lost the web page.
17:03:54 <warlord> I did see an ebuile at one point.
17:04:12 <jsled> http://blogs.gentoo.org/remi/2008/04/04/xf86_video_i810_2_2_99_902 maybe?
17:04:54 <warlord> I saw that page tooo, but that wasn't what it was.
17:05:27 <jsled> http://nix.kuz.ru/soft/distrib/linux/Gentoo/x11-drivers/xf86-video-i810/xf86-video-i810-2.2.0.90.ebuild comes up with 'filetype:ebuild' on the gsearch
17:07:23 <jsled> but it's not clear if those are part of any overlay that's easy to pull in.
17:08:04 <warlord> And that looks like it's still pulling in the intel driver. :-(
17:08:05 <warlord> Damn.
17:08:12 <warlord> I might have to port this thing myself.
17:10:03 <jsled> Oh, this is an older drivers.
17:10:06 <jsled> Er, driver.
17:10:20 <jsled> Presumably something that might have gotten merged into the "-intel" driver, and then removed.
17:10:24 <warlord> Yeah, but I was hoping someone might have ported it to modern xf86
17:11:02 <warlord> well, the intel driver is a re-write, but it isn't feature-complete compared to the old i810 driver.. At least to my taste (dual-head)
17:12:25 <jsled> sorry ... you might have luck spelunking at forums.gentoo.org
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17:14:10 <warlord> Thanks. I'll try to look sometime.
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18:17:36 <carlos_cps_br> how can i create a report to know where goes my money?
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18:19:01 <warlord> We have a bunch of reports to show you in different ways how your money is being spent.
19:19:32 <warlord> ... or you can just leave and not wait for an answer. *sighs*
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19:40:49 <marcusb> hi. my credit card bill has a "voucher date" (transl?) different from the "posting date" (transl?). should I use an intermediate account?
19:40:52 <marcusb> thx
19:44:06 <warlord> only if you really want to.
19:44:15 <warlord> I dont think it's necessary, personally.
19:45:19 <marcusb> yeah, for personal reasons it may be too much. I just wonder if say I want to use HBCI in the future, if there are some things to pay attention to in advance
19:45:58 <marcusb> personally, I am happy I could ask the question in a way that makes sense to you ;D
19:49:32 <warlord> The importers allow flexibility of dates.
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