2008-11-25 GnuCash IRC logs
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10:50:41 <soa2ii> Hi there. I got a question on accounting itself... it's quite hard to find "normal" people in IRC so I decided to ask here. Say I bought for example two books. One for me and one for a friend. The friend gives me the money one week later. How do you put smth like that into gnucash?
10:50:54 <soa2ii> Possible solutions I would think of:
10:51:54 <soa2ii> Put all the money (say 100$) on spend:books and after one week take 50$ fom spent:books to your normal money (sorry I do not know the correct english words=
10:52:03 <soa2ii> ANother solution would be:
10:53:00 <soa2ii> Split the things up: 50$ to spent:books and 50$ to spent:misc after a week get 50$ from gain:misc
10:53:09 <soa2ii> But that's not so nice I think... is it?
10:53:11 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_account_for_loaning.2Fborrowing_money_to.2Ffrom_a_friend.3F
10:53:46 <jsled> You've basically loaned the value of the book to the friend for the week.
10:54:18 <soa2ii> jsled: Hm... and If I get the money?
10:54:37 <soa2ii> Do I take it brack from the loan-account?
10:54:41 <jsled> then it goes from {Assets:Money Owed to Me:Friend} -> {Assets:Checking} or whatever.
10:55:56 <soa2ii> jsled: Hm... gnucash does not have those Accounts on default does it?
10:56:17 <jsled> no … I don't think any of the example account trees have those accounts.
10:56:18 <soa2ii> (Speaking german is not very helpful yet :S)
10:56:27 <jsled> they're not "common" enough for the "Common" hierarchy, either.
10:57:35 <soa2ii> jsled: Well ok.
10:57:58 <soa2ii> I'll see.
11:06:05 <soa2ii> jsled: Yeah... that makes sense... thank you so much... finding smth like an accounting-IRC seems to be impossible :P
11:07:11 <jsled> soa2ii: you're welcome. We do answer accounting questions, here, but it's not really our mandate per se.
11:07:24 <soa2ii> jsled: I thought so (:
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11:11:18 <warlord> jsled: maybeyou could help me -- i dont understand why someone would go through all that trouble to write jgnucashlib and all his tools there..
11:11:43 <soa2ii> jsled: Another question: One owed money to me before I started using gnucash and gave it to me after. So my owe-account says now: -100$ (for ex) Where do I get thos 100$ from? :D
11:12:28 <warlord> soa2ii: Equity:Opening Balances
11:12:44 <soa2ii> warlord: Yeah... stupid question
11:12:47 <soa2ii> Thanks.
11:13:35 <jsled> warlord: as opposed to?
11:14:53 <jsled> just using the C code? Same reason as having python bindings, I guess. Dealing with C is painful.
11:15:01 <jsled> Dealing with our build is painful.
11:15:44 <warlord> well, as opposed to dealing with /something/ that uses the gnucash API directly, be it C, Scheme, Python, ...
11:15:48 <jsled> Some people are really myopic about languages, too. Some java people in particular. I don't know anything about this guy or project, I'm just speaking generally about that aspect.
11:16:09 <warlord> Remnants of the dot-com boom of the late 90's.
11:16:22 <warlord> anyways, gotta run for a bit.
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11:16:32 <jsled> Java makes it both easy and hard to bind to C code.
11:16:46 <jsled> I mean, there's JNI, but you do NOT want to use it. :)
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12:28:59 <warlord> jsled: yeah, JNI is pretty poor.
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16:25:39 <Pavel> How hard would it be to have the start date of the Gnucash's reports to be automatically set to, say, "same date last year", or something like that?
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16:28:38 <warlord> Pavel: Edit -> Preferences ---- The Period Date.
16:33:07 <Pavel> warlord: I think that sets the default period for a report. What I am trying to do is have the start date equivalent of "today" --- something that updates automatically every day.
16:33:47 <warlord> There is no "1 year ago today"
16:34:05 <warlord> But what you do want is to set the default period for a report.
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16:51:15 <jmd> Gnucash complains that it can't get the lock for the database. What do I have to delete?
16:51:45 <jsled> If you're sure there's not another instance running, just click on the "open anyways" button.
16:53:28 <jmd> jsled, If I do that, then when I click "Save" the program crashes and all my edits are lost.
16:54:17 <warlord> jmd: What OS/Distro?
16:54:40 <jmd> warlord, Debian GNU/Linux
16:54:53 <warlord> jmd: what filesystem?
16:55:25 <jmd> warlord, I think the accounts are on an nfs mount.
16:55:56 <warlord> What happens if the file is local?
16:55:57 <jmd> The program's on ext2
16:56:36 <jmd> I've no idea. I don't have any local accounts.
16:57:35 <jsled> File > Save As … /tmp/test.gnucash ?
16:57:51 <jsled> All the "open anyways" does (IIRC) is delete the .LCK file.
16:58:03 <jsled> That file is along side your datafile, if you want to try it that way.
16:58:16 <jsled> But crashing on Save is probably unrelated to the manner in which the LCK file is removed.
16:58:48 <warlord> jsled: what version of gnucash?
16:59:11 <jsled> jmd: ^- was meant for you.
16:59:43 <jmd> GnuCash 2.2.6
16:59:43 <jmd> Built 2008-08-28 from r17427
16:59:58 <warlord> yeah, that was meant for jmd . sorry
17:00:11 <jmd> The File->SaveAs trick seemed to work.
17:00:37 <warlord> I thought nfs bugs were fixed, but perhaps not.
17:00:57 <warlord> note that 2.2.7 is current
17:03:52 <jmd> So now the question is what do I have to copy where to resolve the problem.
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17:07:14 <warlord> that's a good question. Can you get a stacktrace from the crashing gnucash?
17:07:17 <jmd> I suppose given the state of current financial indicators, it's quite appropriate that gnucash crashes.
17:07:58 <warlord> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stack_Trace
17:08:15 <warlord> No, it's not appropriate at all.
17:08:29 <warlord> ... and you should file a bugzilla report if you can reproduce it.
17:08:46 <jmd> There's a /tmp/gnucash.trace file which seems to have been automatically created.
17:09:14 <warlord> yeah, that gets created (and over written) with every run
17:10:07 <jmd> Even if it doesn't crash ?
17:14:54 <warlord> Yes, gnucash.trace hasnothing to do with stack traces. it gets created on every run
17:15:02 <warlord> crash or no
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17:18:07 <jmd> OK.
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