2008-11-05 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:33:52 <warlord> jdrake: Just create a txn from Equity:Opening Balance to the account for the opening balance
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12:24:12 <rigid> ahoy
12:24:50 <rigid> is there some sort of "server/client" multi-user mode planned for gnucash, so multiple people can work on the same data?
12:25:13 <rigid> that would be very useful for many people, i guess...
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12:29:06 <jsled> it's been brought up before, but it's not "planned", no.
12:29:28 <jsled> There is a database backend in progress, but that's only part of the solution.
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12:33:58 <rigid> jsled: i guess it could be a cool feature boosting the usercount...
12:34:14 <jsled> Yup.
12:34:44 <rigid> whow... my nickname is fubar...
12:34:46 <warlord> It would, but there are still lots of "issues" that need to get solved.
12:35:09 <rigid> jsled: is there some fixed roadmap? when will a database-backend be usable?
12:35:21 <jsled> no, there's no real roadmap.
12:35:35 <rigid> warlord: hehe... like in every foss-project :)
12:35:53 <warlord> well, there are specific multi-user issues..
12:36:01 <warlord> Like updating client1 when client2 makes a change.
12:36:30 <rigid> warlord: couldn't that be solved by a database? like mySQL or postgresß
12:36:32 <rigid> ?
12:36:47 <warlord> nope
12:37:02 <warlord> Gnucash isn't a "real" database app..
12:37:09 <warlord> the database is just a multi-user file store.
12:37:18 <warlord> but the app itself isn't "database aware"..
12:38:13 <rigid> warlord: why not just use TCP/IP and some broadcast stuff? or even polling? i guess gnucash should be run over a tunnel/vpn then anyway...
12:38:27 <jsled> yes, if you just want to handwave, then the problem is really simple. :)
12:38:51 <warlord> Why not throw in the magic pixie dust while we're at it? ;)
12:39:12 <rigid> jsled: heh ok... i must admit, i'm not into the gnucash code, never looked at it, i'm just a lousy user missing a useful feature ;)
12:39:39 <rigid> warlord: lol... nanobots that do the code? ;) *yeah*
12:39:47 <warlord> heh
12:40:39 <rigid> i'll idle here a little... maybe i can work into the code in february and maybe contribute something
12:40:50 <rigid> is there some kind of developer-wiki or similar?
12:41:47 <warlord> Not particularly. There's the -devel mailing list, there's here, there's the API docs from doxygen... There's lots of info located all over the place.
12:42:10 <rigid> ah, 'k... i'll finde the mailing list...
12:42:12 <rigid> thanks for now
12:43:51 <warlord> ok
12:43:56 <Teka> hi I'm a beginner. Can I allocate money in saving account to two funds e.g. house and boat?
12:46:08 <warlord> Teka: sure, use sub-accounts.
12:50:01 <Teka> warlord: will I still be able to reconcile the saving account?
12:50:19 <warlord> Sure, just click the "include subaccounts" in the reconcile dialog.
12:55:03 <Teka> warlord: and can I have two savings account (short term and long term) with money allocated to house and boat?
12:56:41 <warlord> sure. Savings:House, Savings:Boat
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13:03:25 <Teka> warlord: thanks - will think about your advice and consider how to arrange the tree of accounts to give what I need. are ther any examples or help that I may have missed?
13:04:02 <warlord> Teka: have you read the docs?
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13:20:00 <Teka> warlord: have read the tutorials and browsed the help docs listed in help section!
13:23:48 <warlord> Well, there are examples there. and in the list archives
13:25:16 <Teka> warlord: where will I find the list archives
13:27:04 <Teka> warlord just to check: can my house account be a sub account of both saving accounts?
13:27:25 <warlord> the website
13:27:39 <warlord> no, one account can only live in one place.
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13:29:57 <warlord> but why would you want to do that?
13:30:27 <warlord> I suppose if you were saving for a house and used different investment vehicles...
13:31:01 <warlord> in which case, no, you can't have a single account as the sum of those vehicles when only a partial portion is part of your savings goal.
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13:49:27 <Teka> warlord: yes have different vehicles for same goal and each vehicle is to be allocated to the two goals
13:49:51 <warlord> No, there's no way to do what you want.
13:50:14 <Teka> thanks
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13:53:03 <warlord> You can split each vehicle into multiple goals, but you cannot have a single sum of all goals from each vehicle.
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15:31:50 <wolfgang> Ich möchte in GC Rechnungen erstellen. Werkann helfen
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16:43:48 <TimothyA> graah, this gnucash application isn't making any sense to me o.O
16:47:35 <TimothyA> how would one go about invoicing a person in a foreign country, and being paid with a foreign currency and put into a local currency bank account?
16:50:33 <rigid> TimothyA: i'm no expert, but maybe by using the value, converted to the local currency at the current rate? (maybe s.o. here knows another way)
16:52:08 * TimothyA is stuck at the invoicing part already
16:53:05 <jsled> TimothyA: in my limited understanding, the business functions are single currency.
16:53:31 <TimothyA> that's just great... >_<
16:53:42 <jsled> So, once you have the invoice payment in the foreign-currency account, you can do a transfer to the local currency account to get the exchange rate.
16:55:36 <TimothyA> i don't even know to which income account to assign it to...
16:55:59 <jsled> An Income account in the foreign currency.
16:56:32 <rigid> TimothyA: as far is i understand, to the one newly created in the foreign currency
16:57:20 <TimothyA> what *is* an income account, and *when* do I have to make one *where*?
16:57:46 <jsled> An Income account is a way to "source" funds to the books.
16:58:06 <jsled> Are you using the Common or Business predefined account hierarchy?
16:58:25 <TimothyA> Common
16:58:35 <jsled> So, you should have like 5 top-level accounts.
16:58:41 <jsled> Income should be one of them.
16:58:46 <TimothyA> in income i create a new income account called 'USD'?
16:58:55 <jsled> So, here, you might want to create an Income-CAN or whatever.
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17:00:29 <TimothyA> so now I post it, right?
17:00:42 * jsled guesses yes.
17:00:52 <jsled> I don't really know the business features.
17:00:54 <TimothyA> "Post to Account", what should go there?
17:01:03 <TimothyA> A/Receivable
17:01:47 * TimothyA has been struggling about 2 months with this program
17:02:01 <jsled> have you read the tutorial and concepts guide? http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.0/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_bus_ar.html in particular?
17:02:16 <TimothyA> yes, I tried following it but kept getting into dead ends/inconsistencies
17:03:26 <jsled> TimothyA: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Alists.gnucash.org+inurl%3Agnucash-user+invoicing+in+multiple+currencies&btnG=Search looks like it has some good results, too.
17:05:51 <rigid> jsled: your patience is admireable ;)
17:07:39 <TimothyA> okay, I think i got it now. 2 months of struggling, and now this in barely a couple of minutes xD
17:07:48 <TimothyA> thank you jsled
17:07:53 <jsled> you're welcome.
17:08:47 <TimothyA> how do I delete an invoice that I made by mistake and is not going to be used?
17:11:11 <jsled> TimothyA: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_can_I_delete_an_Invoice.2C_Customer.2C_Vendor.2C_or_Employee.3F
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17:12:09 <TimothyA> hrm, okay
17:14:18 <TimothyA> changing the job on an already existing invoice?
17:18:28 * jsled dunno
17:19:04 <TimothyA> okaay, hmm...how about taxes?
17:19:20 <jsled> That I really don't know. :)
17:19:33 <TimothyA> like, the tax table :)
17:19:45 <TimothyA> so it shows up in my expenses -> taxes -> other taxes
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17:40:37 <warlord> TimothyA: You can change the job on an unposted invoice by clicking on the "Edit" button.
17:41:01 <warlord> tax tables are easy -- it's a list of taxes and accounts that the tax will get put into.
17:41:08 <warlord> E.g. liabilities:taxes:witholdings.
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17:46:16 <TimothyA> warlord; I couldn't
17:46:29 <TimothyA> it would just pop up with the job I assigned it (And I accidentily made 2 invoices using the same job)
17:47:00 <TimothyA> and my taxes are located under expenses :s
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17:49:41 <warlord> Two invoices on the same job is perfectly reasonable.
17:49:46 <warlord> That's the point of jobs.
17:50:34 <warlord> I dont understand what you mean by "pop up with the job [you] assigned it" -- of course that will default; but you can select which job for the selected Customer you want to use.
17:50:52 <TimothyA> thaqt's when you create one, not edit an existing one
17:51:22 <warlord> It's the same code.
17:51:26 <warlord> The same dialog.
17:51:41 <warlord> Unless you're clicking on the wrong "edit" button..
17:51:51 <TimothyA> the edit button next to the assigned job
17:51:52 <warlord> You ARE clicking on the "Edit" toolbar button, right?
17:51:56 <TimothyA> when i assigned the wrong one
17:51:57 <warlord> No, wrong button.
17:51:58 <TimothyA> oooh...
17:52:01 <TimothyA> ;>.>
17:52:16 <TimothyA> anyhow, I didn't need to use the job thing in the first place as it were just small services
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17:57:35 <warlord> True.
18:01:50 <benjamin> ooh, an esperantist has departed
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18:11:02 <benjamin> bonvene
18:12:19 <benjamin> kial vi ne havas lernu.net en via ir-mesagxo?
18:12:22 <benjamin> :)
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18:15:12 <benjamin> hmm, I guess esperegu is afk
18:15:58 <esperegu> ?
18:16:11 <esperegu> aha.
18:16:14 <benjamin> yes
18:16:19 <esperegu> nun mi komprenas
18:16:21 <esperegu> =)
18:16:37 <benjamin> vere
18:16:49 <esperegu> nu. shajne la nunaj sufichas
18:17:13 <benjamin> shajne?
18:17:20 <esperegu> krome mi kutime nur babilas esperante la babilejo.org
18:17:21 <benjamin> tio ne estas vorto :P
18:17:27 <esperegu> tamen
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18:18:02 <esperegu> mi uzas jabber por konekti al babilejo.org
18:18:16 <benjamin> meh
18:18:16 <benjamin> bone
18:19:38 <benjamin> ....nu, tio diro estis mallonga
18:19:56 <benjamin> ni eble povas paroli angle
18:19:57 <esperegu> kio?
18:20:02 <esperegu> chu?
18:20:09 <esperegu> chu vi regas la anglan?
18:20:11 <esperegu> ;-)
18:20:24 <esperegu> kie vi loghas?
18:20:35 <benjamin> er...
18:20:39 <benjamin> anglando
18:20:42 <esperegu> chu vi iam estis en babilejo.org?
18:20:44 <esperegu> :-)
18:20:56 <esperegu> tiukaze mi komprenas ke vi regas ghin
18:21:02 <benjamin> sed....la aliaj ne povas esperanton kaj ili eble volas diri
18:21:02 <esperegu> mi loghas en amsterdamo
18:21:29 <esperegu> nu. tiukaze ili certe diras tuon
18:21:30 <esperegu> tion
18:21:58 <benjamin> ?
18:21:59 <esperegu> mi devas restarti do... chiukaze silentos iomete :-)
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18:22:35 <benjamin> he was nice
18:22:38 <benjamin> :D
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18:26:42 <benjamin> neniu diris ion iolingve :(
18:27:05 <benjamin> se mi faris tion korekte
18:27:19 <benjamin> mia esperanto estas sub-bona
18:28:18 <benjamin> mi ne ekzercas gxin...
18:29:43 <warlord> ???
18:30:05 <warlord> You're not a vixen?
18:30:57 <benjamin> "nobody said anything in any language :(/ if I did that right/ my esperanto is sub-par/ I don't practise it"
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18:32:41 <benjamin> warlord: don't even try and understand :P
18:33:15 <warlord> I'd suggest taking the esperanto practice elsewhere.
18:33:58 <benjamin> well, to be fair, we were conversing rather than practising
18:34:08 <benjamin> and I did say we should speak in english to be fair to others
18:36:08 <benjamin> ho hum..
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18:40:39 <benjamin> of course, using esperanto as a secret language is akin to using welsh for international diplomacy: atrocious misuse of the language and totally ineffective
18:40:48 <warlord> LOL
18:43:57 * benjamin hums saint-saens' maestoso/allegro from op 78
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20:51:45 <TimothyA> i added a couple more invoices and it went fine. However now I tried adding an invoice of a different currency, and all the numbers are 0
20:54:32 <TimothyA> when I post it to my USD account, all is fine and dandy
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20:58:48 <TimothyA> and for some odd reason it's counting it as USD at the bottom...
21:06:03 <TimothyA> could somebody shine some light on this for me?
21:21:18 <TimothyA> gah! I've tried just about anything now.
21:21:48 <TimothyA> customer is EUR, receivable is EUR, made even a seperate account for an EUR to house an receive account for EUR in it, the income is EUR
21:21:52 <TimothyA> what else has to be EUR?!
21:24:54 <TimothyA> okay, now I'm really confused
21:25:06 <TimothyA> I'm supposed to transfer the foreign currency from the receivable to my wallet/bank, right?
21:25:13 <TimothyA> what's the income account for then?
21:26:23 * TimothyA is terribly confused now.
21:30:30 <TimothyA> okay, I've just had about had it with this. It's easier to just pay the gigantic fine that's going to come if I don't keep records of my financial stuff.
21:30:46 <TimothyA> nothing seems to add up anyway!
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21:37:30 <TimothyA> hey JimRaehl