2008-09-08 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:20:31 <cedayiv> Derek, have you noticed that there is now a commodity namespace named "template"? I'm guessing it has something to do with Phil's changes.
00:35:53 <warlord> I have not noticed, but I bet you're right...
00:36:05 <warlord> (note that this is why we have a trunk and test stuff before releasing it) ;)
00:52:53 <cedayiv> OK, I will inquire on gnucash-devel tomorrow. Good night...
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04:38:54 <joslwah> Erm, how do you run commands from within gnucash (or from the command line for that matter?)
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05:50:54 <blahdeblah-lap> Stupid newbie accounting question #1: If i put in some cash as business capital to start a new bank account, which equity account would that normally go in? Opening balances?
05:50:54 <blahdeblah-lap> Stupid newbie accounting question #2: Is there a good resource on basic questions like this so that i don't have to ask them here?
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09:40:55 <Hamra> hi, i'v just started using gnucash, and reading through the tutotial, when i transfer money from equity:opening balances , to my bank account, i get a negative equity, which seems logical, but isn't equity supposed to be assets - liaility
09:45:03 <Hamra> anybody?
09:46:34 <jsled> (it's only been 4 minutes since you asked.)
09:46:55 <jsled> There's two notions of Equity involved here.
09:47:15 <Hamra> i'm listening
09:47:24 <jsled> 1/ Is the "instantaneous" value that you refer to above … computed as a function of assets and liability.
09:47:40 <jsled> The other is the Equity *account*, which just serves as a place to dump transactions.
09:47:57 <jsled> (Maybe it's better to think of it as an "Equity Adjustments" account.)
09:48:09 <Hamra> ah ok
09:48:17 <Hamra> thnx
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10:01:04 <joslwah> Erm, how do you run commands from within gnucash (or from the command line for that matter?)
10:01:10 <joslwah> Hiya warlord.
10:01:35 <warlord> what do you mean? Gnucash is an app, not a shell. "run commands"?
10:02:01 <joslwah> It was just that you were talking previously about running gnc-fc-dump
10:02:08 <joslwah> How do you do that directly?
10:02:18 <joslwah> I was thinking it would be really helpful for testing and developing.
10:02:27 <jsled> Type 'g' 'n' 'c' '-' … :)
10:02:43 <joslwah> jsled, Erm, where? 8-
10:02:51 <jsled> In a terminal/console?
10:03:00 <jsled> It's a perl script; it should be in your path.
10:03:14 <joslwah> O.k. I've had brain failure. I hope it's not terminal.
10:03:28 <jsled> If so, I'll console you. :)
10:03:32 <jsled> *rimshot*
10:03:45 <joslwah> So, a different question. Is there a way to run a command and see what it would return within gnucash?
10:03:59 <joslwah> jsled, I'd considered making that joke and decided the terminal reference was sufficient.
10:04:39 <joslwah> I'm probably too used to the REPL within lisp, but that's the sort of thing I want.
10:05:16 <jsled> I'm still not clear on what you mean by "a command".
10:05:29 <jsled> There's no "scheme console" in gnucash.
10:06:31 <joslwah> Or even a way of doing it from the command line. Sort of like "gnucash -e 'scheme function name'
10:07:03 <warlord> well, there USED to be a "scheme shell" in gnucash.. But that was removed a while ago.
10:07:26 <joslwah> Why was something that useful removed?
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10:24:32 <warlord> joslwah: because nobody was using it.
10:24:45 <warlord> and mail went out to the lists asking if anyone wanted to keep it..
10:24:49 <warlord> and nobody responded in the afirmative.
10:25:18 <warlord> it was removed as part of the switch from a guile-initiated to a C-initiated application.. so it would've been work to keep it in the transition.
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11:12:52 <joslwah> O.k. Just feel it is a pity, since it seems like a good debug tool. However, I can see why it went away.
11:16:09 <warlord> Actually it was never useful as a debug tool.
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11:16:27 <warlord> or at least I was never able to use it as a debug tool...
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11:18:32 <JoeyJoeJo> I'm trying to setup online banking, but gnucash says I'm missing qt3-wizard. Does anyone know where I can find it in gentoo?
11:19:05 <warlord> it should be built along with AqB-2
11:20:18 <JoeyJoeJo> that's strange, I wonder why it's not working
11:20:49 <warlord> Dunno. I dont use gentoo. Maybe jsled could help you?
11:20:56 <JoeyJoeJo> oh, I don't think I had my qt3 use flag enabled when I emerged it
11:21:07 <warlord> That would do it.
11:22:09 <JoeyJoeJo> yay, now I get to watch qt3 compile...
11:23:52 <warlord> Enjoy!
11:26:56 * joslwah grins wickedly. I don't use qt for that very reason.
11:27:56 <warlord> heh
11:28:24 <jsled> yeah, the qt and kdelibs builds are the worst. I should really purge whatever is pulling them into my system, though they haven't re-built much recently.
11:31:06 * warlord loves binary distros ;)
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11:37:16 * joslwah prefers the flexibility and lack of dll-hell. (or rpm upgrade madness).
11:38:44 <warlord> eh, yum takes care of all of that for me. I haven't had dll-hell (or rpm upgrade madness) since, oh, Fedora 1.
11:38:48 <warlord> .. so... 5 years?
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12:02:55 <JoeyJoeJo> I finally got aqbanking working, but when I add the info for bank of america and tell it to get my accounts, the bank's servers come back and say that the version of software I'm using isn't supported
12:03:00 <JoeyJoeJo> is there a way around this?
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12:20:29 <warlord> Anything in the wiki?
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13:57:05 <duncan-nz> hi - I have some csv files from my bank which I can open fine in OOo. How can I get them into GnuCash?
13:57:25 <duncan-nz> They're just transaction records
13:57:56 <jsled> duncan-nz: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_convert_from_CSV.2C_TSV.2C_XLS_.28Excel.29.2C_or_SXC_.28.21OpenOffice.org_Calc.29_to_a_QIF.3F and the question below it.
13:58:21 <duncan-nz> thanks - I'll start reading that.
14:00:28 <duncan-nz> jsled, if you have an account on that wiki, it would be great to correct the leading exclamation mark as in !OpenOffice. I read it as NOT OpenOffice. Must be a leftover from some wiki text rule.
14:00:39 <duncan-nz> something wrong there...
14:00:43 <duncan-nz> jsled, if you have an account on that wiki, it would be great to correct the leading exclamation mark as in !OpenOffice. I read it as NOT OpenOffice. Must be a leftover from some wiki text rule.
14:00:47 <duncan-nz> that's better.
14:01:25 <jsled> What's the difference between the two lines?
14:01:34 <jsled> (also, correcting, thanks. :)
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14:08:26 <duncan-nz> ah, there must have been a screen refresh issue at my end. I couldn't see the first three lines of my text.
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14:14:33 <warlord> The "!OpenOffice" tag in some wiki-speak means "dont make this a WikiWord". but it's not needed in MediaWiki.
14:41:38 <duncan-nz> are there plans to include direct import of CSV files into GnuCash? It looks like the code is there.
14:42:13 <duncan-nz> anyway, that was just an idea. I got the information I needed for tonight. Thanks for the help jsled
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15:58:29 <rrittenhouse> Does gnucash have the ability to connect to a bank and download the transactions?
16:01:25 <warlord> in some cases, yes.
16:08:21 <rrittenhouse> what are these cases? I have Huntington bank
16:11:48 <warlord> well, bank needs to support ofx or hbci (in germany), you need gnucash compiled wiyth that support, and then you need to find the bank info
16:12:53 <rrittenhouse> I know I can export an ofx file from huntington but to me that meant that I would have to update it every single time
16:14:19 <warlord> Well, you could always download OFX and import it.
16:14:34 <rrittenhouse> Will I have to import all transactions at that point?
16:14:35 <warlord> The other option is called "Direct Connect" and requires AqBnkaing configuation.
16:14:37 <rrittenhouse> or will it keep doing it
16:14:53 <warlord> It will notice that the txn has already been imported and ignore it
16:16:28 <rrittenhouse> ah.. hmm
16:16:39 <rrittenhouse> I guess I just want the direct connect option if my bank supports it
16:17:38 <warlord> .. and if you can find the right configuration. Start with the gnucash wiki
16:18:13 <rrittenhouse> I'm just trying not to use Quicken or something like that...
16:18:32 <rrittenhouse> I don't use windows so that would be another hurdle to overcome...
16:18:49 <warlord> ok
16:19:18 <rrittenhouse> Thank you for the information. I'm going to go mess with it and hopefully get it workin'!
16:24:16 <warlord> Good luck
16:29:35 <rrittenhouse> hahaha. Thanks
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19:20:10 <Hamra> hi, if i owe someone money, it's a liability right? isn't it supposed to be shown as a negative number though?
19:24:47 <jsled> Hamra: liabilities are sign-reversed by convention.
19:24:58 <jsled> You can disable that in Edit > Preferences.
19:27:41 <Hamra> thnx
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