2008-08-31 GnuCash IRC logs

00:01:42 <andi5> the old currency is still traded?
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00:03:04 <andi5> felle: the old currency is still traded?
00:04:29 <felle> if I understood it right, it is a flying exchange over this year.
00:05:32 <andi5> ok... i guess the patch is ok... is was thinking whether to remove the old currency completely and add an entry to http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/src/engine/gnc-commodity.c#L118
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00:09:13 <felle> for what is this table used? (I never saw it before, as I seldom read code - I find no overview)
00:11:06 <andi5> i think backwards compatibility, and probably without any exchange rates :)
00:11:16 <andi5> so better ignore it :)
00:12:13 <felle> 1000 RUR = 1 RUB
00:14:06 <felle> But possible, this could solve the shekel typo http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492417
00:15:19 <andi5> ah man, my eyes already, do not throw yet other pages on them :-)
00:15:23 <andi5> +hurt
00:15:55 <andi5> and, i guess gnucash was supposed to support rub anyway and to ease transition it simply replaced RUR by RUR internally
00:16:25 <andi5> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=393185 is the corresponding bug (you probably knew that)
00:24:07 <felle> In one window I have a page long list of _open_ currency bugs, there I commented on 516660, but 393185 could relate.
00:24:38 <andi5> page long meaning how many?
00:26:05 <felle> 81, but many, where charles backport is awaiting.
00:26:48 <andi5> huh? there are 22 commits left to review, i am unsure how that can sum up to 81 bugs
00:27:17 <andi5> or, say 50
00:28:57 <felle> bugs, not patches. And sometimes like dutch account template is not related, but contains somewhere the word.
00:29:34 <andi5> ok, one bug after the other, ok?
00:29:43 <andi5> #492417
00:29:58 <andi5> i am not sure what the correct solution actually is...
00:31:15 <andi5> ok, the iso code can be corrected, maybe also an entry in the table i linked to above... but is that correct?
00:32:13 <felle> is the table used for converting old data files?
00:32:18 <andi5> i think so
00:33:22 <felle> then someone should test that ;)
00:33:37 <andi5> whenever a code (like "NIS") is looked up in our commodity table, this table is taken as fallback (oh, actually, it is always used) to replace old by new codes
00:33:42 <andi5> yes, will do that
00:34:52 <andi5> ouch... i just saw that this table contains exactly the other replacement
00:35:35 <andi5> well, kick it :)
00:37:13 <felle> (07:13:05 PM) warlord: We changed from ILS->NIS in 2004.
00:37:46 <andi5> yes, but i did not think he meant that table as well
00:37:49 <andi5> anyway
01:12:13 <felle> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152755 -> http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/10331
01:12:40 <andi5> felle: you are doing a lot with currency bugs, right?
01:13:54 <felle> yes, my first accepted patch was intro of XDR and XXX
01:14:47 <felle> and now, as Charles is fixing all my pending bugs, I try to help
01:14:57 <andi5> can you tell me why ILS does not appear in my gnucash build after the patch? ... do i really need to rebuild the complete tree?
01:15:48 <felle> src/engine/iso-4217-currencies.scm is input for .c or so
01:16:18 <andi5> yes, the .c is correct already
01:18:13 <andi5> and that file is included in gnc-commodity.c, but i have rebuilt all that... strange
01:19:24 <felle> make magic is not my ressort
01:22:28 <andi5> eek...
01:23:33 <andi5> i am not sure that is intended... ILS is correctly inserted into the commodity database... then the file is loaded, NIS found, looked up, the data of ILS found and then inserted as well... in the end ILS has disappeared (i did not follow everything yet)
01:28:47 <felle> wait, RUR -> RUB, so the table reads (new, old)
01:29:29 <felle> this should be documented, if I am right.
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01:30:40 <andi5> huh?
01:31:02 <andi5> RUR (old) -> RUB (new)
01:31:23 <felle> exactly
01:31:58 <andi5> so what is ambiguous then?
01:32:56 <felle> the iso code is usually the country code + first letter of the currency (RUR) if the currency change, use another letter.
01:33:31 <andi5> ok
01:36:07 <felle> but the entry zloty shows the other direction. Tuday is PLN acc. wikipedia
01:37:07 <andi5> so if PLN is new, still everything is correct... /me does not understand
01:39:12 <felle> RUB, PLN, UAH are current, should be in the same column.
01:40:33 <andi5> and ... they ... are :)
01:45:14 <felle> oops, I was in an old revision, from searching the prev. change
01:45:40 <andi5> =)
01:45:50 <felle> ILS should be the same column
01:46:03 <andi5> yep...
01:46:19 <felle> and then diappears?
01:47:51 <andi5> yes, ILS is overwritten by the commodity in the old data file...
02:08:44 <felle> SVN r17479, account and price entered in NIS, saved as shekel-nis, edited NIS to ILS as shekel-ils, open looks fine, saving wwithout change also
02:10:56 <andi5> what is this table good for then if not for converting data?
02:11:11 <andi5> it should save your file in NIS again
02:12:32 <felle> ILS quote works. But I will now look in my sources, if I removed my patch...
02:13:10 <andi5> oh, you mean a patched r17479?
02:13:31 <andi5> hmpf... i thought you edited your data file, sorry
02:13:38 <andi5> it is late :)
02:19:30 <felle> commodity has (ILS.NIS), ISO... only NIS, which creates the wrong symbol, but seems not to change the existing ILS accounts.
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02:24:23 <felle> entering a new txn with xfer also des not replace ILS by NIS.
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02:25:34 <felle> the table seem only map the long name of ILS with no ISO entry to that of NIS.
02:25:35 <andi5> that is crazy... the file backend retrieves elements from the commodity database and simply changes them...
02:26:06 <andi5> on the other hand, you must not add a check to the mnemonic setter of all commodities, because otherwise the ILS cannot be matched with NIS anymore :(
02:26:35 <andi5> anyway... too late
02:26:40 <andi5> see you felle
02:26:53 <felle> see you andi5
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02:41:25 <postal> Hey people! Got a quick question about gnucash if anyone is around?
02:42:07 <postal> A total newb to gnucash, but was wondering whether gnucash had the capability to calculate interest on an account with a constantly changing balance?
02:42:24 <postal> Can't seem to find any info on the net about this... so I guess it can't...
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04:47:43 <emja> my wife ran into Bug#496807 and therefore lost all data. she created a new file (on the local HDD this time, of course) but the logs won't replay. any pointers?
04:48:24 <emja> err.. sorry. bug ref = http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg560159.html
04:52:01 <emja> btw, no errors at all when attempting to replay logs. nothing.
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05:21:13 <emja> of course there's errors, when I use the right params. bleh. still, nothing that helps me
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05:36:42 <emja> ahh... the problem seems to be that the data file is more recent than the transactions in the log
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07:08:52 <postal> hey emja, i'm not sure that anyone is too active today, i've been skulking around for 4 hours, and no one seems to be responding...
07:12:37 <postal> perhaps you'd be able to help me though... do you know if gnucash has the capability to calculate interest for an account with a varying balance?
07:13:30 <emja> postal: sorry, was afk. no idea, my wife is the one who uses gnucash
07:13:55 <postal> no problem. thanks for the reply anyway
07:14:13 <postal> did you manage to get your data back?
07:21:42 <emja> nope
07:21:57 <emja> Can't replay the log files
07:24:12 <postal> hmm that sucks
07:24:21 <postal> sorry, wish i could help, but i'm a total nebw
07:24:23 <postal> *newb
07:24:35 <postal> good luck tho
07:26:50 <emja> ta. xul8r
07:26:53 <emja> er... cul8r
07:26:59 <emja> meh. fat fingers.
07:28:15 <postal> hehe cya
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12:31:01 <ducksnutz> Hi I'm a new gnucash user, transferring over from Quicken. Great software, just need to bend my brain around a different way of working.... Anyway, my question... I understand that the lots system is still under development. However, when scrubbing a stocks account is it possible to include commission in the capital gain calculation, i.e., reduce the actual gain?
12:32:32 <ducksnutz> Should have said, using version 2.2.6 under Windows
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16:27:27 <kevin1> anyone here?
16:27:48 <kevin1> i'm having a problem compiling gnucash
16:28:34 <jsled> what's the problem? (why are you building it yourself? :)
16:29:41 <kevin1> i'm running Backtrack 3
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17:18:02 <Pyrobor_> i'm configuring gnucash to use online banking. my bank supports it, jsut told me to use my account # and password.
17:18:51 <Pyrobor_> i wasn't given a bank code, or address of the banking server
17:19:25 <Pyrobor_> anyone have any thoughts?
17:20:03 <Ozaed_> ofx?
17:20:07 <Pyrobor_> yes.
17:20:16 <warlord> have you read the wiki page on this?
17:20:24 <Ozaed_> have you read http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect_in_GnuCash_2 ?
17:20:47 <Pyrobor_> i'll read it now.
17:28:42 <Pyrobor_> thanks. i found exactly waht i was looking for!
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17:45:51 <nbinont> evening andi5!
17:46:11 <andi5> hi nbinont
17:46:20 <andi5> i am sorry, the tarball is not ready
17:46:33 <nbinont> no worries
17:46:46 <nbinont> do you have a long weekend as well?
17:46:56 <nbinont> (this weekend)
17:46:56 <andi5> 2 days, as usual
17:47:24 <andi5> did you?
17:47:39 <nbinont> :(
17:47:48 <nbinont> yes, we have monday off
17:48:22 <nbinont> so, no pressure from me ;)
17:48:37 <jsled> andi5: It's US Labor Day tomorrow.
17:48:46 <andi5> ah, ok
17:49:02 <andi5> that may 1st here
17:49:03 <nbinont> and Canada's Labour day
17:49:15 <jsled> Right, CA too.
17:50:13 <andi5> is that just a day off, or do you participate in some demonstrations or something like that?
17:51:00 <nbinont> mostly just a day off here - maybe go to the cottage/beach/etc
17:51:22 <andi5> nbinont: i am trying to invest a bit more time into reviewing backports, but that just delays the release even more :)
17:51:35 <andi5> i will have to try to do that shortly after the actual commit
17:52:02 <andi5> this is the first weekend i have some time left for gnucash again
17:52:52 <nbinont> ok.
18:06:14 <andi5> nbinont: hm, i'd better not continue today, i am quite exhausted... i cannot not even give you a date the tarball will be ready, but i will not stop working on it (except to work or sleep)
18:11:17 <nbinont> andi5: ok, have a nice rest :)
18:11:48 <andi5> thanks :-) ... ciao
18:11:49 <warlord> no rest for the wicked!
18:12:22 <andi5> zzzzz...
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22:40:39 * emja 's wife is happy. all data recovered
22:43:11 <warlord> yay!