2008-08-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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08:38:53 <esperegu> is it also possible to export payments that can be imported in the banking system to make payments?
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10:25:25 <warlord> esperegu: only in Germany using HBCI
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10:39:29 <esperegu> to bad. I'm close (netherlands) but not close enough I gues ;-)
10:42:11 <warlord> yeah. None of the other supported online banking systems have "push" support
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10:55:03 <esperegu> warlord: wouldn't it be relatively easy to create some kind of autotype that would fill out the forms of a webpage?
10:55:13 <esperegu> (just an idea)
10:55:42 <warlord> screen scraping is HARD. You'd need to write one for EVERY bank.
10:57:00 <esperegu> warlord: ow. sure for every bank. but I thought it would just be easy once you had the basics but I gues that's not the case :-(
10:57:49 <esperegu> (I use keepassx and that also fills in user and password automaticly)
10:57:56 <warlord> nope. screen scraping is hard. Just look at the trouble that F::Q goes through every time some quote website makes some tiny change to their system!
10:58:46 <esperegu> I thought it would be the case of loggin in, then fill in the forms based on there name (that should be described) and then submitting the form
10:59:18 <warlord> In an ideal world, sure.
10:59:25 <warlord> But we do not live in an ideal world.
10:59:39 <warlord> Every banking site I use has a different approach.
10:59:49 <warlord> There is no "standard"
11:03:40 <esperegu> warlord: they don't all have an url with a form to enter & submit the data that could be used?
11:06:13 <jsled> esperegu: perhaps. Except the deal with authentication differentely. And they might use javascript to construct the page. And they might revise the page month to month, breaking the tool. And they might not like the fact that their customer isn't directly using the webapp.
11:06:24 <jsled> (Since, you know, that's basically the same thing phishers do.)
11:07:00 <esperegu> jsled: well. It would not be totally by the program
11:07:06 <esperegu> the user still manually logs in
11:07:18 <jsled> And it might not just be a form, but instead a sequence of pages. Bank of America has … probably 4 pages that need to be traversed to make an online payment.
11:07:31 <jsled> Plus, setting up the payee is a multi-step process.
11:07:57 <esperegu> then the program would activate the url to submit the data fills it in and after filling in all the payments it takes the user to the result page where he can manually check and then submit it
11:08:14 <esperegu> hmmm
11:08:43 <esperegu> well. if it is indeed not possible or really hard.... sorry to bother you guys with it then ;-)
11:08:52 <jsled> it's mostly messy.
11:09:00 <esperegu> thought that it was a good idea but you probably thought of it yourselves then
11:11:51 <jsled> no bother at all. It's not a bad idea, it's just not trivial.
11:11:59 <jsled> Or even easy.
11:12:20 <jsled> Getting it out in front of lots of users, and letting them interactively correct it, is a good way to easy the pain.
11:12:25 <jsled> And keep things up to date.
11:12:33 <jsled> But that makes the problem 10× harder.
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11:21:43 <warlord> Off to the office. BIAB
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11:52:23 <esperegu> ltr
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12:42:58 <esperegu> maybe I should just change banks and take a german bank so I can use gnucash more automaticly. are there any free banks available?
12:46:55 <esperegu> (business account)
12:47:05 <warlord> no clue
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12:48:43 <esperegu> anyone else info bout german banking?
12:51:15 <warlord> Ask on the gnucash-de list?
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