2008-08-01 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:58:41 <gantrixx> In the windows version, how do you remove a lock on a file?
00:59:55 <gantrixx> Hell-o
01:00:00 <gantrixx> anyone?
01:13:49 <gantrixx> anyone at all?
01:17:07 <jsled> Well, it's 1 in the morning. Patience.
01:17:16 <gantrixx> where?
01:17:27 <gantrixx> it's 10pm here
01:17:29 <jsled> On the east coast of the US.
01:17:29 <gantrixx> Arizona
01:17:45 <jsled> It's later in Germany, where another contingent hangs out.
01:17:49 <gantrixx> are you familiar with the windows version?
01:18:10 <gantrixx> my accountant is one of the few accountants that will work with GNUCash
01:18:14 <jsled> In any case, the lock files are along side your data file; they have the same base name as the datafile, but with a ".lck" extension.
01:18:31 <gantrixx> she is having a problem, some how there is a lock on a file preventing her from opening my general ledger
01:18:44 <gantrixx> so just erase it?
01:18:45 <jsled> But … if you get a dialog saying you need to delete a lock file, there should be an option to just open the file anyways.
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06:31:21 <Cypha> Hi All: Newbie here - Just wondering how best to record a type of transaction.. My girlfriend doesnt have a credit card, so a couple times a month, she purchases something on my card and then transfer the money from her savings account into my current account. How would you best record this?
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08:22:16 <Rolf1> jsled: Thank you for your explanations. I understand better now (although not everything 100% which is not necessary)
08:23:37 <Rolf1> My insistence on gradual replacement stems from the need to have something to work with. You say this is not a good idea and you are probably in a better position to judge. I wonder how long it might take to get a very essential python gnucash. What do you think?
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08:28:28 <Rolf1> I think there is one area where we have disagreement: choice of UI. It seems you want a web ui and are fine with having just that. I absolutely want a native UI. I guess pygtk or pyqt.
08:30:40 <Rolf1> If you are serious, then I suggest we get down to it. I could try and draw up some data relation diagram as that is at the very core of things. It would also be good to have this documented so others can get up to speed quickly.
08:32:44 <Rolf1> I believe the term is "entity relationship diagram"
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10:41:00 <jsled> Rolf1: I'm happy to answer questions to further your understanding, if you so desire.
10:41:25 <Rolf1> understanding of technical matters is secondary IMHO
10:41:27 <Rolf1> at least for now
10:41:30 <jsled> Yeah, as for the UI, that's clearly a personal preference thing.
10:41:56 <Rolf1> mutual understanding of goals and ways to achieve them is the thing that needs discussion
10:41:59 <jsled> In an ideal world, most of the code would be ui-agnostic, and we could have multiple interfaces.
10:42:29 <Rolf1> I cannot image entry of lots of tx in a web interfae
10:42:32 <Rolf1> ce
10:42:34 <Rolf1> too slow
10:42:40 <Rolf1> even with AJAX, I assume
10:43:48 <jsled> I'm sorry, but I can't "get down to it" … I just don't have free time to work on this stuff, so I don't want to commit to that.
10:45:14 <jsled> If I do find time to push my experiement forward to a point where it hangs together, I'll get it out into the world. But right now it's little more than the code snippet I posted last night.
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10:49:00 <Rolf1> The way I understand it is that it is a web service, right?
10:49:18 <Rolf1> any implementation out there in the wild to take a look at?
10:49:25 <jsled> "it"?
10:49:32 <Rolf1> your code snippet
10:49:39 <Cypha> Hey chaps.. trying to figure out how to account for a 'Balance transfer' from one credit card account to another. When I try, it appears to debit the amount from both accounts? Any help much appreciated.
10:50:18 <jsled> Cypha: what do the splits on the transaction look like?
10:51:46 <jsled> Rolf1: Oh, not exactly. Django is a web app framework, but that was just the Model classes. There is corresponding view/controller code – traditional HTML and forms – that I didn't post.
10:52:20 <jsled> Though you might have meant that by "web service", which I usually take to mean a more … programatic interface.
10:53:00 <Cypha> jsled: I wasnt using a split - I just entered a transaction as a 'payment' from the source card and a 'charge' against the destination card. Am I doing something wrong?
10:53:29 <jsled> Cypha: Ah ... every Transaction is a Split, really, though depending on the register view we might try to hide that fact.
10:54:02 <jsled> (i.e., if the transaction only has two splits, then we can "safely" hide the one that affects the account for the register you're "in").
10:54:32 <Cypha> oh right - from reading the user guide I picked up that a split it where you want to divide an amount amongst more than one account.
10:54:55 <Cypha> I get it
10:55:14 <jsled> The thing about transactions is that the component splits *always* sum to zero.
10:56:09 <Cypha> I understand
10:56:14 <Cypha> that makes sense
10:56:51 <Cypha> But when a bank pays off your credit card and issues you with one of thier own i.e. balance transfer, how should I account for that?
10:57:19 <Cypha> Transfer of debt I guess
11:00:34 <jsled> A simple transaction from card_old -> card_new should suffice.
11:01:19 <Cypha> jsled: ur right, sorry I got confused by the fact that a negative balance on a credit card account is actually an amount owed to you. Sorted thanks!
11:01:28 <jsled> Oh, yeah, heh. :)
11:01:32 <Rolf1> jsled: Do you have a screenshot of your code in action?
11:01:51 <Rolf1> I guess I am struggling to understand how it looks and what it already does and doesn't do
11:01:59 <jsled> Rolf1: nope. There's really nothing to show. I think I have it displaying an ugly account tree in an HTML table.
11:02:04 <jsled> It does, literally, nothing.
11:02:20 <Rolf1> OK
11:02:47 * Rolf1 still hopes to build some more momentum for accounting in FOSS
11:03:29 <Rolf1> Having it in some form of code me and others can actually contribute to easily would be such a big plus
11:05:44 <Cypha> jsled: thanks for ur help mate - Im only analyzing my accounts for 2008, so I have created a starting balance for my current account by transfering the amount I had on the 01-Jan from the Equity:starting balance account to the the current account - Works great - but what I dont understand is that I no longer have that equity, but it remains in my equity account? I thought my equity was Assets-Liabilities + (Income-Expenses) - Confused :)
11:06:12 * jsled nods
11:06:49 <jsled> There's the Equity *account*, which is used to record transactions that effect Equity as you used it … but that's different from the Equity *value* via the accounting equation.
11:06:58 <jsled> To get that, you need to run a report.
11:07:45 <Cypha> ahh ok, thanks I really aprpeciate it - Im grasping it now - awesome software. thanks!
11:17:10 <jsled> Cypha: fwiw, that's a common misconception; we should probably call the equity account "Equity Changes" or something.
11:17:36 <jsled> Or "Equity Adjustments" is probably better.
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11:48:43 <Cypha> jsled: yes, equity adjustments would make perfect sense to without explanation
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