2008-07-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:33:57 <merc> hello
09:34:43 <merc> If I wanted to set the value of the business say at 100,000 and then sell a person 20,000 worth of shares... how would I set the accounts up in my small business' books?
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09:34:54 <merc> Is there anything written down in the official docs?
09:34:59 <merc> hi warlord
09:35:08 <merc> you missed my question :-D
09:35:08 <merc> If I wanted to set the value of the business say at 100,000 and then sell
09:35:08 <merc> +a person 20,000 worth of shares... how would I set the accounts up in my
09:35:08 <merc> +small business' books?
09:35:47 <merc> It would be nearly something like "creating" money...?
09:35:55 <warlord> Equity:Opening Balance
09:36:45 <merc> warlord: the money would come from Equity:opening Balance, and go into Assets:Stock for example?
09:39:09 <warlord> Yes
09:40:42 <merc> Would it make nore sense to call it Equity:Stock Value rather than "Opening Balance"?
09:45:09 <warlord> That's up to you.
09:48:57 <merc> warlord: what happens if I decide that the value of the "stock" so to speak goes down? For example, if I give somebody $20000 worth of company stock, and then suddently the company is worth 200,000 (twice as much), how would I show in the books that I owe that person more money?
09:49:16 <merc> warlord: s/goes down/goes up
09:50:34 <warlord> That would be an UNREALIZED change in value... GnuCash just accounts for the fact that you issued X shares.
09:50:54 <warlord> When you run the reports it can determine the current value of outstanding shares.
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09:52:05 <merc> warlord: but I still pick US$ as the currency. That is, for GNUCash that's just normal money out?
09:52:24 <merc> Or maybe there's a "shares" currency? Or maybe I am talking nonsense...
09:53:12 <merc> Say for example that I want to buy back the 10% of the company after selling it for 10000 , but the 10% is now worth 15000
09:53:14 <merc> ...
09:53:27 <warlord> "shares" would be a STOCk account.
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09:54:52 <merc> What shall I put in Security/Currency?
09:56:46 <merc> I don't suppose there's a tutorial somewhere about this? Or maybe a good accountant would be a tutorial?
09:58:34 <warlord> Your company stock
09:58:47 <warlord> Have you read the Tutorial and Concepts Guide?
09:59:04 <merc> Yeah
09:59:09 <merc> But it's for the users
09:59:31 <merc> I am finding it difficult to "revert" things so that the small business is the one issuing its own stock
10:01:07 <warlord> just reverse the numbers
10:01:54 <kipling> Hey, I'm a new user to gnucash and ubuntu. I am trying to set up gnucash so that I can take advantage of OFXDirectConnect. I am trying to follow the directions listed at http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Debian but am having one problem. When entering the command, sudo apt-get install build-essential devscripts fakeroot libaqbanking-dev aqbanking16-qt-wizard, I get the following error: E: Couldn't find package aqbanking
10:02:49 <warlord> anyways, merc, I need to take off. I'll be back in a few hours.
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11:59:10 <Dave_is_sexy> Hi guys. Does anyone know if it's possible to set my default report options?
12:01:33 <jsled> it's not; you can leave reports open, however.
12:02:54 <Dave_is_sexy> Leave them open, as in not close them? I suppose
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12:05:50 <Dave_is_sexy> Jsled, one other thing. At the moment I have to wait unil the end of the month to update my accounts from a .qif statement, but in the online banking options there's an implication that gnucash can be completely up to date with a server. Is that something I can set up, or is that for business customers only?
12:06:27 <jsled> GnuCash can be configured to support OFX Direct Connect, which is an on-line means to download your transactions from your bank.
12:07:09 <jsled> … if your bank supports OFX, and you can figure out what the connection details are.
12:07:16 <Dave_is_sexy> Oh right. I'll look that up then. And it doesn't have to remember my passwords does it? I'd rather type them in each time
12:07:41 <jsled> I don't know.
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12:23:46 <Dave_is_sexy> Hmm. My bank has no idea what OFX is :s
12:30:47 <Dave_is_sexy> jsled, not my bank seems to think that they provide OFX files (QIF) that you can log on to download, but had no idea that this could be done by software or how
12:31:44 <jsled> Hmm. There are "QIF" files, and there are "OFX" files, and they're different formats. There's also a "QFX", which is OFX with Quicken/Intuit extensions.
12:32:12 <jsled> without using OFX DirectConnect, one can still do a more simple import of OFX files, a-la QIF files.
12:33:54 <Dave_is_sexy> jsled, yeah that's what i do now. just download the qif file once a month. It just seems like I should be able to have more current information like we have at work
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15:37:09 <andrewsw> hi folks, long time.
15:37:09 <gncbot> andrewsw: Sent 7 weeks, 2 days, 13 hours, and 57 minutes ago: <fell> The title of the option dialog of reports now show guids instead of the name of the report or whatever it was before.
15:38:44 <andrewsw> well, that's a fine how-do-you-do...
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15:38:56 <jsled> heh
15:38:58 <warlord> how do you do?
15:39:07 <andrewsw> well! and you?
15:39:56 <warlord> Tired.
15:40:01 <warlord> Very very tired.
15:40:24 <andrewsw> sorry to hear that. It looks like you boys have been busy 'round these parts.
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15:41:30 <warlord> Well, I flew from SFO->CDG->FRA over the past 16 hours.
15:42:14 <andrewsw> oh yeah, that's brutal. you should be sleeping.
15:42:26 <andrewsw> or drinking.
15:42:55 <warlord> I had a little at dinner.
15:43:11 <warlord> I'm trying to stay up for another hour (until about 10:30pm local) before going to sleep.
15:44:09 <andrewsw> ah, well maybe I can entertain you with an IRC version of the aristocrats joke.
15:44:12 <andrewsw> That should keep you up.
15:45:14 <andrewsw> In all seriousness though, I'm sorry Ihaven't been around.
15:45:25 <warlord> :-P
15:45:31 <andrewsw> My spring quarter had me running... and now the kids do too.
15:46:02 <andrewsw> I"ve been guiltily watching my gnucash email folders fill up to bursting...
15:46:46 <andrewsw> w00t! Costco rebate is in! $180!
15:46:53 <warlord> it happens
15:46:56 <warlord> Congrats.
15:49:31 <andrewsw> it's been so long. I still have uncommitted changes from the attempts to clean up `kill` behavior.
15:50:43 <andrewsw> is there a new RSA fingerprint for svn.gnucash.org?
15:53:07 <andrewsw> oh... I cleaned out my known_hosts because of the debian ssh debacle...
15:56:28 <andrewsw> can anyone confirm that fingerprint? or I'm just paranoid?
16:02:57 <warlord> the fingerprint hasn't changed.
16:04:06 <andrewsw> it's my known_hosts that's changed. It's all hashed and I know of no way to make it human-readable, so I just tossed my old one aside after I rebuilt all my RSA keys on all my debian machines... what pain that was.
16:07:06 <warlord> ok
16:15:22 <andrewsw> aha! ssh-keygen -F svn.gnucash.org -f old_known_hosts
16:15:33 <andrewsw> matches ;)
16:15:37 <warlord> :)
16:15:47 <andrewsw> the glory of RTFM
16:17:43 <warlord> :)
16:38:38 <andrewsw> I'll be back. sleep well warlord!
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16:39:19 <warlord> thanks
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16:52:52 <kipling> Hey, I'm a new user to gnucash. I am trying to set up gnucash so that I can take advantage of OFXDirectConnect. I am trying to follow the directions listed at http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Debian but am having one problem. When entering the command, sudo apt-get install build-essential devscripts fakeroot libaqbanking-dev aqbanking16-qt-wizard, I get the following error: E: Couldn't find package aqbanki
16:54:54 *** warlord-afk is now known as warlord
16:55:30 <warlord> kipling: I saw you ask this earlier. That error means the package is named differently. Those directions are for Debian,not Ubuntu.. and it's quite possible that ubuntu has moved on beyond debian
16:56:29 <kipling> ahh, the wiki says that the same directions should work...bummer
16:56:46 <warlord> you can try loading the launchpad gnucash packages?
16:56:53 <warlord> supposedly they have OFX-DC
16:57:11 <kipling> sorry, what do you mean by launchpad gnucash packages?
16:57:18 <warlord> couldn't tell you.
16:57:25 <warlord> I dont do ubnutu.
16:57:27 <kipling> hehe
16:57:32 <warlord> but it's something that someone else mentioned.
16:57:35 <kipling> fair enough
16:57:39 <kipling> thanks
16:58:26 <warlord> you can search the logs.
17:02:38 <jsled> kipling: http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2008/06/2008-06-26.html#T11:29:43 is maybe helpful
17:05:23 <warlord> okay, bedtime. good night
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17:05:55 <kipling> thanks
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17:16:13 <andrewsw> kipling: get it sorted yet?
17:33:11 <kipling> no
17:33:23 <kipling> read through it all but kinda decided to put it off til another day
17:33:30 <andrewsw> oh.
17:33:43 <kipling> wasn't a clear cut step by step directions as far as I could tell
17:33:53 <andrewsw> a good starting point might be `apt-cache search aqbanking`
17:34:14 <andrewsw> that would give you the list of packages that match that. it might point you to a naming issue.
17:36:59 <kipling> thanks...helped find all the packages
17:37:23 <andrewsw> kipling: I've been away from gnucash for a while, so I don't know the state of versioning...
17:37:26 <andrewsw> watch out for that.
17:38:17 <kipling> all right....will just play around and see if I can't get it working sometime
17:56:41 <Rolf1> kipling: debian just released hbci-enabled gnucash today
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18:05:44 <kipling> do I need to switch to debian to take advantage of that?
18:06:13 <cortana> Rolf1: whoa!
18:06:37 <cortana> so the lower level stuff was ported to gnutls?
18:06:51 <Rolf1> kipling: no
18:06:57 <Rolf1> are you on ubuntu?
18:07:06 <kipling> yeah
18:07:12 <Rolf1> There have been inofficial packages for quite some time
18:07:35 <Rolf1> https://launchpad.net/~gnucash/+archive
18:07:43 <Rolf1> should be what you need
18:07:55 <Rolf1> "aptitude install gnucash-hbci"
18:08:01 <andi5> cortana: lower level stuff := gwenhywfar and then you are right, imho
18:08:06 <andi5> do they still call it gnucash-hbci?
18:08:23 <cortana> andi5: doesn't looks liek it
18:08:36 <Rolf1> andi5: I don't think they will going forward
18:08:41 <Rolf1> andi5: you pinged me?
18:08:41 <cortana> the gnucash package in unstable pulls in loads of extra dependancies including that library
18:08:46 <cortana> great news anyway!
18:08:56 <cortana> not that i can talk to my bank via HBCI but anyway :)
18:08:56 <Rolf1> yes, it should get sorted soon
18:09:09 <andi5> indeed, but somehow i forgot what it was about :)
18:09:16 <Rolf1> OK
18:09:39 <Rolf1> I guess the best thing is to just spell it right out insted of pinging and waiting for a ping back
18:09:51 <Rolf1> especially at 3 o'clock on a Saturday night
18:10:04 <Rolf1> What were you doing in chat at that time of night anyway?
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18:10:23 <andi5> that is the only time left for hacking :)
18:12:26 <kipling> Rolf1: tried sudo apt-get install gnucash-hbci. It couldn't find the package gnucash-hbci
18:13:08 <Rolf1> did you add the repo?
18:13:39 <Rolf1> the package is certainly right there
18:14:07 <kipling> sorry I'm new to linux and ubuntu
18:14:12 <kipling> waht's the repo?
18:21:40 <andrewsw> kipling: a repo is the network location used to grab packages for installation. you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to inclide the repo Rolf1 provided above: https://launchpad.net/~gnucash/+archive
18:21:47 <andrewsw> then update and install.
18:21:59 <andi5> hiho andrewsw, nice to see you :)
18:22:10 <andrewsw> hiho andi5! long time!
18:22:24 <andi5> yeah, you are busy studying?
18:22:33 <andrewsw> yes.
18:22:45 <andi5> we need more lazy students!
18:22:49 <andrewsw> my spring schedule was tough and kept me from hacking on anything...
18:22:53 <andrewsw> he he
18:23:09 <andrewsw> I need another schedule with a nice two hour break in the middle of it.
18:23:19 <andi5> :-D
18:24:04 <andrewsw> yes update now.
18:24:08 <andrewsw> oops, wrong window
18:24:41 <andrewsw> I'm in a java based agile development class for the summer. very fun.
18:25:11 <andrewsw> now I'm going to clean up all the unneeded imports.
18:25:15 <andrewsw> aw crap...
18:25:31 <jsled> `M-x jde-kill-extra-imports` :)
18:25:32 <jsled> done.
18:25:52 <andrewsw> heh. unfortunately, it's an eclipse based class...
18:25:55 <andi5> bash: M-x: command not found
18:26:11 <jsled> Oh. Even easier, then.
18:26:21 <andi5> NameError: name 'M' is not defined, even
18:26:54 <andrewsw> do tell jsled. I can't figure this too-smart-of-a-program out
18:27:20 <andi5> eclipse or emacs?
18:27:30 <andrewsw> heh
18:27:31 <andrewsw> eclipse
18:27:38 <jsled> I'm not actually using it, myself … but the rest of the team is, so I have it around. It seems like it's as nifty as IntelliJ is.
18:27:57 <andrewsw> it is pretty nifty. the refactor tools are great.
18:27:59 <andi5> i suppose it is slow?
18:28:15 <andrewsw> not bad, but I've upgraded a lot... it only uses about 500 megs of memory.
18:29:30 * andrewsw is choking on my own number
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18:55:58 <kipling> I tried adding the following to my sources.list file but it still tells me it can't find the package gnucash-hbci
18:55:58 <kipling> ....is there anything else I need to do?
18:56:01 <kipling> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnucash/ubuntu hardy main
18:56:01 <kipling> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnucash/ubuntu hardy main
18:56:01 <kipling> deb https://launchpad.net/~gnucash/+archive hardy main
18:58:07 <andrewsw> kipling: my bad. the first two urls are right (I don't ubuntu... just debian, sorry).
18:58:23 <andrewsw> did you do an update? something like aptitude or apt-get update.
18:58:29 <kipling> nope
18:58:35 <kipling> will try that
18:58:44 <andrewsw> you have to update before your local apt system can know about packages from new repos.
19:03:27 <kipling> andrewsw: thanks, that worked....do I need to do some step to enable it now?
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19:07:25 <andrewsw> kipling: I don't know. I don't use that feature. but at least you've got it installed now! ;)
19:09:17 <kipling> hehe...one step at a time
19:10:19 <andi5> kipling: do you see the online banking setup menu item under Tools?
19:11:31 <kipling> now I do....after running the install....got a notice that I needed to update some of the packages
19:11:41 <kipling> after I updated, it appeared in the tools menu
19:11:59 <kipling> thanks to everyone who helped
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19:24:19 <andrewsw-afk> see ya'll later.
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19:49:52 <andi5> @tell warlord-afk i suppose r17193 and r17194 are backport-worthy?
19:49:52 <gncbot> andi5: The operation succeeded.
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