2008-07-15 GnuCash IRC logs
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02:09:42 <asdfasd> is it still true that we must use aqbanking 2.3.x and not 3.6.2 (for example)?
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04:57:27 <asdfasd> i'm trying to install gnucash 2.2.5 with aqbanking 2.3.3, gwenhywfar-2.6.2, and libofx-0.8.3...I've installed all packages with --prefix=/home/myname/usr
04:57:37 <asdfasd> however, i can't get gnucash's configure to locate it
04:57:52 <asdfasd> i have LDFLAGS='-L/home/myname/usr/lib'
04:58:06 <asdfasd> CPPFLAGS='-I/home/myname/usr/include'
04:58:10 <asdfasd> and am configuring with
04:58:46 <asdfasd> ./configure --enable-ofx --enable-hbci --prefix=/home/myname/usr --with-aqbanking-prefix=/home/myname/usr
04:59:08 <asdfasd> but configure complains with: checking for aqbanking >= 1.6.1 aqbanking < 2.9.0 gwenhywfar... no
04:59:08 <asdfasd> configure: error: Could not find aqbanking > 1.6.0 and < 2.9.0. If you use --enable-hbci, you *have* to have aqbanking installed. Note that gnucash requires aqbanking2 and not (yet) aqbanking3!
04:59:11 <asdfasd> any ideas?
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05:12:49 <asdfasd> solution: export PKG_CONFIG=/home/myname/usr/src/aqbanking-2.3.3/aqbanking-config
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08:55:40 <jsled> asdfasd: try overriding the PKG_CONFIG_PATH, too.
08:59:03 <Rolf1> jsled: Can I ask for some help with bug 542606 (assets and liabilities not shown in txf report)?
08:59:26 <Rolf1> I believe the solution lies somewhere with src/report/locale-specific/us/taxtxf-de_DE.scm around line 342
09:00:24 <Rolf1> but unlike Christian, I don't think the current needs to be changed
09:00:33 <Rolf1> current logic
09:01:03 <Rolf1> We need to add *add* the accounts to be recognized
09:01:16 <Rolf1> I have a general idea, but I don't know any scheme at all
09:01:26 <Rolf1> This is where I request a bit of help from you
09:01:58 <Rolf1> First thing is that I am looking for a way to change the if-clause into a case-clause (thinking bash)
09:02:13 <Rolf1> does such a thing exist in scheme?
09:02:54 <jsled> yes
09:04:20 <jsled> http://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/if-cond-case.html#if-cond-case
09:05:33 <Rolf1> Thanks
09:05:38 <Rolf1> Just what I was looking for
09:05:51 <Rolf1> What editor do you use for writing scheme?
09:05:55 <jsled> emacs
09:05:57 <Rolf1> I am trying out eamcs
09:06:00 <Rolf1> Great
09:06:03 <jsled> the editor I use for editing everything. :)
09:06:16 <Rolf1> I want it to do the indenting automatically
09:06:24 <Rolf1> M-x scheme-mode
09:06:33 <Rolf1> M-x indent-according-to-mode
09:06:36 <Rolf1> did nothing
09:06:40 <Rolf1> What do you use?
09:07:16 <jsled> I've never seen indent-according-to-mode. Usually programming modes re-bind 'RET' and 'TAB' to do the right thing.
09:07:44 <Rolf1> Ok
09:08:01 <Rolf1> So, M-x scheme-mode should already do the right thing?
09:08:06 <jsled> Also, M-C-\ is indent-region , which is helpful.
09:08:07 <Rolf1> I'll restart emacs
09:08:17 <jsled> no need to restart, probably.
09:08:43 <jsled> Well, depending on how its configured, it should auto-set scheme-mode whenever you open anything *.scm
09:09:53 <Rolf1> I used to use emacs about 8-10 years ago while still on Windows because it seemed to be the only sane option for a Usenet reader with Japanese support and correct threading
09:10:06 <Rolf1> But I have dropped using it after that
09:10:19 <Rolf1> The thing should be configured pretty much stock ubuntu
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09:31:27 <Rolf1> jsled: does the following make sense and look correct?
09:31:30 <Rolf1> http://rafb.net/p/je3Li040.html
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09:39:20 <jsled> Rolf1: roughly. It looks from the different indentation like there might be a tabs vs. spaces problem.
09:39:31 <jsled> (around the (cond), in particular)
09:39:42 <Rolf1> OK, I'll deal with that
09:39:45 <Rolf1> but basically?
09:40:22 <Rolf1> Does this look like the right direction?
09:40:30 * Rolf1 is almost confident it is
09:40:33 <jsled> Oh, I really couldn't say.
09:40:40 <jsled> If you're happy with it, go with it. :)
09:40:52 <Rolf1> I have not compiled it yet
09:41:04 <jsled> I'd suggest trying to make the data-structures in txf-de_DE.scm into actual records rather than lists.
09:41:06 <Rolf1> I was wondering if there was anything _obviously_ wrong with it
09:41:22 <jsled> Mostly because then the field names are present and meaningful in the code.
09:41:28 <Rolf1> I guess that would apply to the template txf stuff, too, then
09:41:37 <Rolf1> I think Christian just used whatever was there
09:41:43 <Rolf1> I did so even more
09:41:51 * jsled nods
09:42:02 * Rolf1 has no real clue what jsled is talking about ;-)
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09:46:59 <Rolf1> jsled: I don't think I had made any real changes to the code above from what I changed
09:47:09 <Rolf1> it was just a deleted space, I think
09:47:17 <Rolf1> http://rafb.net/p/bu4iUS20.html looks better, doesn't it?
09:47:37 <Rolf1> Fundamentally (except for indentation) I think the previous thing was identical
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11:51:05 <asdfasd> i am getting a GLIB error during configure---saying I need GLIB >= 2.6. i'm running ubuntu-hardy so my first thought is that I would be updated
11:51:33 <asdfasd> however, i can only seem to find /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so
11:51:44 <jsled> that's fine. It's probably glib-2.16, even.
11:51:55 <jsled> the "2.0" there is just the *API* version that it offers.
11:52:22 <asdfasd> any ideas why it is complaining then
11:52:41 <jsled> do you have the -dev packages installed?
11:52:41 <asdfasd> i started getting it once i specified
11:53:19 <asdfasd> PKG_CONFIG
11:53:21 <jsled> … specified what? (Argh the suspense! :)
11:53:31 <jsled> Ah. Did you set or append to PKG_CONFIG_PATH ?
11:54:09 <asdfasd> i didn't set that one....wasn't sure what to set it to
11:54:17 <asdfasd> i have PKG_CONFIG=/home/myname/usr/src/aqbanking-2.3.3/aqbanking-config
11:54:26 <asdfasd> should i just give it the aqbanking path?
11:54:34 <asdfasd> (and yes, i have glib-dev)
11:54:55 <jsled> What are you trying to accomplish, overall?
11:56:10 <asdfasd> just trying to install gnucash 2.2.5 with aqbanking
11:56:14 <asdfasd> hbci
11:56:25 <jsled> Have you seen <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Debian#Creating_packages_with_HBCI_and_aqofxconnect_enabled> ?
11:57:12 <asdfasd> yes, unfortunately most of those instructions dont work on hardy anymore
11:57:19 <asdfasd> so i had to install a lot of it from the sources
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11:57:54 <jsled> So, PKG_CONFIG_PATH is going to be a :-separated path of locations to find the ".pc" files that packages/libraries distribute that inform other apps (e.g. gnucash) what compiler flags to use to build/link the library.
11:58:02 <asdfasd> i added the pararaph on Hardy
11:58:06 <jsled> Probably /usr/lib/pkgconfig is pulled in by default.
11:58:39 <jsled> If you're --prefix'ing your installs into … /home/myname ? Then it'll probably be /home/myname/lib/pkgconfig
11:58:51 <jsled> Which means you'll want that at the front of your PKG_CONFIG_PATH
11:59:03 <jsled> (or maybe it's /home/myname/usr/lib/pkgconfig/ )
11:59:12 <asdfasd> oh i see
11:59:14 <jsled> But you'll still want /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ ... just *later* in the path.
11:59:26 <asdfasd> so i was specifying it VERY wrongly
11:59:54 <asdfasd> i found the one in my home dir
12:00:00 <asdfasd> but i haven't found the one in the system
12:00:10 <asdfasd> ok
12:00:12 <asdfasd> /usr/lib/pkgconfig
12:00:18 <asdfasd> i'll give ti a try
12:01:19 <asdfasd> perfect
12:01:31 <asdfasd> configure works now
12:01:47 <asdfasd> is this something i should add to the wiki? or it this pretty standard?
12:02:08 <jsled> you should add it, I guess. It's not all that standard.
12:02:13 <jsled> But ...
12:02:37 <jsled> I think the instructions on the wiki are setup more for building "within" the package manager.
12:02:52 <jsled> Where it shouldn't be necessary to do things like override PKG_CONFIG_PATH
12:02:54 <asdfasd> agreed...but for hardy, this isn't possible anymore
12:02:57 <jsled> Why not?
12:03:00 <asdfasd> at least i wasn't able to figure it out
12:03:21 <asdfasd> libofx is only version 0.9 in the repos
12:03:30 <asdfasd> libaqbanking is only 3.6.2 in the repos
12:03:45 <asdfasd> and same with gwenhywfar is 3.x
12:03:57 <asdfasd> so all of those i had to download from the websites and compile from source
12:04:28 <asdfasd> now maybe i wouldn't have run into this if i had installed to the system instead of my homedir
12:04:39 <asdfasd> but in general it has been a pain for me to figure out
12:04:50 <jsled> Right, but installing into the system is messy on its own.
12:04:59 <asdfasd> and apt-get build-dep gnucash doesnt work either
12:05:07 <asdfasd> for obvious reason anyway
12:05:37 <asdfasd> well great! i having a compiling gnucash
12:05:55 <asdfasd> maybe i will put up a short page on how i did this in my home dir .... starting from scratch
12:06:02 <asdfasd> specific to hardy
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12:16:50 <asdfasd> thanks again, the online banking option is now available
12:19:11 <jsled> (that was a fast re-build. :)
12:20:14 <warlord> blink of an eye
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13:21:30 <Rolf1> asdfasd: I guess http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=Debian&diff=4775&oldid=4663 is from you?
13:21:47 <asdfasd> correct
13:21:55 <Rolf1> I just wanted to point two things. You're talking about Ubuntu on a debian page
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13:22:16 <Rolf1> and secondly, it gets much easier to compile stuff with lp/~gnucash
13:22:26 <Rolf1> https://launchpad.net/~gnucash/+archive
13:22:38 <Rolf1> Totally pain-free, not royal pain
13:23:21 <asdfasd> oh wow
13:23:39 <asdfasd> these are precompiled though?
13:24:11 <asdfasd> for example you will not be able to get the proper version of LibOFX from these (i think)
13:24:51 <asdfasd> ...and yes, ubuntu on debian page...i only did it because there were prior references to ubuntu on the page
13:25:42 <asdfasd> and even then....libaqbanking is listed as 3.3.0.....gnucash doesn't support that
13:25:49 <warlord> We could add an Ubuntu page...
13:25:58 <Rolf1> we have an ubuntu page
13:26:07 <Rolf1> s/Debian/Ubuntu/ in the URL
13:26:15 <Rolf1> asdfasd: the versions are correct
13:26:34 <Rolf1> It's what I used to successfully test the aqbanking3 branch when it was still separate
13:26:42 <asdfasd> ok
13:26:45 <Rolf1> I did verify hbci with those
13:26:55 <asdfasd> i'll have to give this a try!
13:27:13 <Rolf1> it would be cool if you can clean up the ubuntu/debian mix-up you said you found
13:27:41 <asdfasd> just remove the modification? or point to the lp site?
13:27:59 <Rolf1> asdfasd: actually, if all you want is a working hbci, you can just can the packages straight from the ppa
13:28:08 <Rolf1> sudo aptitude install gnucash-hbci
13:28:38 <asdfasd> wow...this is much nicer
13:28:49 <Rolf1> asdfasd: I meant to update the information to accurately reflect the current situation as well as stuff being at the right place
13:29:10 <asdfasd> ok...i will take care of that later today (i gotta head out in 5 min)
13:29:18 <Rolf1> cool
13:29:20 <Rolf1> thanks
13:29:23 <asdfasd> to be clear,
13:29:29 <Rolf1> too bad I did not see your struggle earlier
13:29:34 <Rolf1> could have saved you some time
13:29:34 <asdfasd> i will likely remove most of what i inserted
13:29:41 <Rolf1> that is fine
13:29:41 <asdfasd> and put a pointed to the lp site
13:29:49 <Rolf1> I think that is the best, yes
13:30:03 <asdfasd> and leave the versioning to that page
13:31:02 <asdfasd> adios! and thanks for all the help and tips
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14:05:29 <b1tchnow> If I enter a expense in a account and then press enter, there is always made a second split, which is having a income, so the sum is zero... that can't be what you mean by "double bookkeeping", because the sum of my asset is never changing this way... or did i get something wrong (first day with gnucash).
14:06:32 <warlord> you got something wrong.
14:07:05 <warlord> think about it always as moving money from place to place, where "Income" is a magic place where money gets printed, and "Expense" is a magic place where money gets spent.
14:07:12 <warlord> So... Where is the money flowing from/to?
14:08:09 <b1tchnow> the money is flowing from my employer to my account and from there to the german railways
14:08:57 <b1tchnow> so i tried to enter it as an expense into the account "traveling", i enter a description...
14:09:23 <b1tchnow> oh... now i get it... it's pretty useless to enter the split you have the expense also as the split you want the income...
14:09:44 <b1tchnow> doh... thank you... i just got that entry field wrong... and i wondered why i should enter this again... :-)
14:10:11 <warlord> :-)
14:10:24 <warlord> For the record, it seems to work best when you work from you Asset (Checking?) account.
14:11:28 <b1tchnow> ah, ok, so there i enter a "expense" and as the split i enter what i spent it for... now this makes a whole lot of more sense to me now...
14:14:03 <warlord> :)
14:14:24 <b1tchnow> oh my, sometimes i wonder i i made it so long... hahahaha
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14:18:17 <warlord> :)
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14:51:16 <b1tchnow> Next question: Why is a split in the future already in the sum of my amounts? I want it to be there the day it is accounted?
14:51:39 <b1tchnow> I want my loan to be added automatically every 15. of the month
14:52:58 <warlord> because you're looking at the ultimate total, not total-as-of-today.
14:52:59 <jsled> IIRC there are other columns inthe account tree that don't take "future" splits into account.
14:53:40 <b1tchnow> ahh, theres an "actual" column, thank you
14:53:51 <jsled> For the other; see the scheduled transactions.
14:54:15 <jsled> (and I assume you mean you want your loan repayments added, not the loan (overall liability) itself…)
14:54:33 <b1tchnow> yes
14:54:51 <b1tchnow> oh, loan was the wrong word
14:54:54 <b1tchnow> i meant my income
14:55:10 <jsled> Ah.
14:55:17 <b1tchnow> i get from my employer
14:55:20 <jsled> That's even easier.
14:55:50 <b1tchnow> i enter it as "income" and then make it "scheduled" every month
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15:47:38 <b1tchnow> What is the small column in the account-overview where a small n or b can be in (german) ?
15:47:56 <warlord> b1tchnow: REconciliation Status
15:48:09 <warlord> (have you read the docs?)
15:48:19 <b1tchnow> part of it (shame on me)
15:48:49 <warlord> values (in English): No, Cleared, Yes
15:48:53 <warlord> (n,c,y)
15:49:01 <warlord> lunchtime..
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16:44:46 <b1tchnow> n8 all
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19:56:11 <andi5> Q: quick poll... what about saving in gconf a list of md5 hashes of server certificates accepted by the user for aqbanking to communication with? ... or is this information rather suitable for ~/.gnucash or ram-only (session-limited, not my favorite one) ... thanks
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20:01:56 <warlord> andi5: Wouldn't that be something to store in the data file?
20:02:17 <andi5> possibly
20:05:59 <andi5> warlord: ok, i will try that (soon)
20:06:20 <warlord> ok
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22:12:36 <drichard58> I have a question regarding importing of QIF files.
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22:54:14 <asdfasd> Rolf1: i've updated the ubuntu and debian pages on the wiki....and also placed a little note in http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect_in_GnuCash_2 telling uses to read the Ubunutu installation page
22:54:28 <asdfasd> Rolf1: let me know if the header in the Ubuntu page should be called something else
22:54:51 <asdfasd> i suppose those statements are to everyone not just Rolf1
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