2008-07-10 GnuCash IRC logs

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09:01:52 <Rolf1> warlord-afk: Do you have an idea why the trunk builds crash whenever a report is called? Do you experience the same?
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09:06:26 <cast> ahh. hey all.
09:06:55 <cast> question! i'm starting doing the accounts for 07-08 in gnucash, haven't really used it beyond the tutorial and a little bit of playing around with it
09:07:24 <cast> i just prior to june the first, 07, had made a large payment which was then refunded.
09:08:14 <cast> it was refunded on june 10th, now since i'm only doing the financial year, how should deal with this?
09:08:19 <cast> i thought i could make it an income
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10:17:38 <warlord> cast: I'm not sure its really income. What was the payment for?
10:18:35 <cast> a refund, what i've done is...made another account in current assets representing store credit, with an opening balance of $1295, which when they issued the refund i transfered it into the chequeing account
10:27:11 <StocksR> Reporting Question - I have data from 2000 in my file - is there a report that shows how much I spent in each account broken down by Year (6th April Year end)
10:33:20 <warlord> cast: that would work. Or just make it Equity. Either way.
10:33:44 <warlord> Rolf1: Reports work for me. Is it ANY report, or just your open transaction report?
10:34:09 <cast> :)
10:34:14 <warlord> StocksR: I dont think we really have any year-to-year reports.
10:34:15 * cast is all about what works
10:35:11 <Rolf1> warlord: Any report AFAICT
10:38:06 <warlord> I'm running r17266 and it works fine. Let me update and retest.
10:43:22 <cast> when i'm entering transactions, and i have Date Num Desc, i guess Num is where I'd put the check number?
10:44:23 <warlord> yep
10:44:52 <cast> i'm having fun, in a sleep deprived kinda way :o
10:45:35 <warlord> :)
10:46:21 <warlord> Rolf1: Interesting. Yeah, it fails here too.
10:46:51 <Rolf1> OK
10:46:51 <warlord> Well, time to work between 17291 and r17266 to figure out where it broke.
10:46:59 <Rolf1> Yes
10:47:08 <Rolf1> You work up and I down or the other way round?
10:47:23 <Rolf1> we saw some big changes lately
10:48:19 <StocksR> do a binary search and check 17225 first
10:48:26 <warlord> well, there's only 7 changesets.
10:48:39 <warlord> StocksR: I understand how to do this..
10:48:43 <warlord> but thanks.
10:49:11 <warlord> I suspect 17287 as the culprit.
10:50:36 <warlord> But we'll see. Let me try r17285
11:33:01 <warlord> r17287 is definitely broken.
11:34:05 <warlord> .. trying 17285
11:36:33 <Rolf1> 17286 fails, too
11:38:40 <warlord> Oh?
11:38:54 <warlord> 286 and 285 should effectively be the same.
11:38:56 <Rolf1> yep
11:39:01 <Rolf1> and yep
11:39:02 <warlord> :-/
11:39:13 <Rolf1> I am trying 266 now
11:39:19 <warlord> 266 worked for me.
11:59:10 <warlord> r17285 failed for me, too.
11:59:47 <warlord> Oh, OOPS.. That wasn't 285. I did 287 again. OOPS.
12:03:42 <warlord> Let me check out the right revision.. *sigh*
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12:27:07 <warlord> Okay, now that I really have 285 ... it fails.
12:27:08 <warlord> * sigh *
12:27:28 <warlord> So it's the python bindings.
12:27:49 <warlord> because 266 certainly worked.
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12:34:00 <Rolf1> Even if python is not enabled?
12:34:10 <warlord> Even if python is not enabled.
12:34:22 * warlord hasn't been enabling python.
12:34:44 <Rolf1> OK
12:34:49 <warlord> I'm rebuilding 17266 right now just to re-verify.
12:35:02 <Rolf1> Last known good version is 17283, then?
12:35:22 <warlord> I'm pretty sure 17266 worked fine for me.
12:35:29 <warlord> I'm re-checking.
12:36:11 <Rolf1> But from the looks of it, 17283 looks like a much more likely candidate for breaking reporting
12:36:16 <Demosthenes> are there any keyboard shortcuts i'm missing? i'm importing transactions, and it appears that when you classify one, the autoclassify doesn't run on others so I skip them... if i'm importing months of data, thats a few hundred clicks to skip the transactions. is there a select/deselect all somewhere?
12:36:17 <Rolf1> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/gnucash/2.2.4-1ubuntu2
12:36:50 <warlord> Demosthenes: import a smaller chunk. gnucash should remember.
12:38:03 <jsled> Demosthenes: yeah, the learning is only applied between import batches.
12:38:10 <Rolf1> warlord: 17266 crashes here as well
12:38:10 <Demosthenes> warlord: urg, for ofx that means either hand edit or download from bank again... i'm already begging them for a bulk download option because they don't support direct connect
12:38:36 <Demosthenes> see that was my next question, if there was a "refresh" option during the import so other entries are automatically classified.
12:38:52 <jsled> no.
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12:39:02 <jsled> That would be useful.
12:39:22 <Demosthenes> and i have the impression that the QIF and OFX importers run from separate code, and that the OFX is more dynamic?
12:39:25 <warlord> Demosthenes: when benoit was implementing that I argued that it should reclassify as you go down, but then he'd have to keep extra state so it didn't reclassify entries that you already manually classified.
12:39:38 <warlord> QIF and OFX importers have 0 code in common.
12:40:09 <warlord> Rolf1: it was working for be before. I'm tring it again.
12:40:18 <warlord> s/be/me
12:40:48 <Demosthenes> i'm still of the impression the OFX importer was better.
12:41:20 <Demosthenes> i am so trying to avoid buying quicken's home & office edition :P
12:41:36 <warlord> Yes, the OFX importer is newer.. and has bayesian matching (which is unfortunately off by default -- we should fix that)
12:42:29 <Demosthenes> my bank foobars the bayesian match... long descriptions get split to the memo field, so most of the identifying portion ends up in memo, the bayesian filter didn't get that
12:43:48 <warlord> That's... unfortunate.
12:44:00 <warlord> But it's still better than QIF's whole-string matching
12:44:48 <Demosthenes> yep
12:51:29 <warlord> r17266 works for me!
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13:10:07 <warlord> Rolf1: So r17266 works for me, so yes, the problem does appear to be in the python bindings that cstim committed.
13:18:03 <Rolf1> I see a lot of commits between 17266 and 17284
13:18:07 <Rolf1> Were all those to stable?
13:18:10 <warlord> Yes
13:18:15 <Rolf1> OK
13:18:39 <warlord> Run an 'svn log' on trunk and you'll see the real commits.
13:18:53 * Rolf1 was looking at timeline
13:19:09 <Rolf1> BTW, am I right to assume that there is currently no keyboard shortcut to toggle input of a split vs. normal transaction?
13:20:14 <warlord> I believe you are correct; I do not believe there is a shortcut to the "Split" button.
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13:22:08 <warlord> I just sent mail to Christian. I'll back out the python changes later today.
13:27:51 <Rolf1> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542237
13:37:47 <warlord> Rolf1: thanks
13:38:43 <Rolf1> accepted
13:38:51 <Rolf1> although I don't quite understand what for
13:39:04 <Rolf1> I always report stuff
13:41:57 <warlord> dont understand what for what?
13:42:13 <warlord> Dont understand why I'm going to back out the change?
13:42:15 <warlord> Or...???
13:43:05 <Rolf1> don't understand the reason for "thanks"
13:43:10 <Rolf1> But I'll give you one
13:43:13 <Rolf1> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542403
13:43:38 <Rolf1> 'Ple----a-s-e' with cream on top
13:43:45 <Rolf1> ;-)
13:44:08 <warlord> thanks for the bug pointer.
13:44:56 <warlord> Rolf1: There's no patch in 542403 so nothing for me to apply...
13:45:11 <Rolf1> That's what the please is for
13:45:14 <Rolf1> ;-)
13:45:20 <warlord> I'm not that level of Gtk hacker.
13:45:29 <Rolf1> would it be difficult?
13:45:48 <jsled> Probably not.
13:45:48 <Rolf1> I thought it would be one-liner. The problem is I don't know what line ;-)
13:46:03 <jsled> Rolf1: devhelp & :)
13:46:06 <Rolf1> Looks like you don't know the line either
13:46:16 <Rolf1> what is devhelp?
13:46:34 <jsled> gtk, glib, gnome, &c. docs
13:47:58 * Rolf1 goes shopping
13:48:05 <Rolf1> I can take a look at glade later
13:48:19 <Rolf1> Maybe that can do it for me
13:48:26 <Rolf1> Who is the gtk guru here?
13:48:56 <jsled> Rolf1: fwiw, if you just add a '_' in the glade definition for the item in the Action menu, then Ctrl-A «whatever» would get it.
13:49:16 <jsled> Looks like 'p' is unused.
13:49:50 <jsled> Which isn't quite the same as a Ctrl-S global shortcut, but it's trivially easy to change.
13:50:07 <jsled> (literally, make the string "Sp_lit Transaction" (or maybe it's "S_plit Transaction").
14:06:07 <Rolf1> Me uses LC_ALL=de_DE so yet another story
14:06:28 <Rolf1> The indirect shortcut is definitely a possibility
14:08:03 <Rolf1> warlord: All of the sudden 17266 does not even compile for me. Again error 2
14:08:20 <Rolf1> /home/Rolf1/bin/gnucash/lib/gnucash/libgncmod-ledger-core.so: undefined reference to `gnc_get_account_name_for_register'
14:08:20 <Rolf1>
14:08:39 <Rolf1> /home/Rolf1/bin/gnucash/lib/gnucash/libgncmod-ledger-core.so: undefined reference to `gnc_account_lookup_for_register'
14:14:42 <warlord> Rolf1: I think it's a local error.
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14:43:37 <Rolf1> of course
14:43:46 <Rolf1> the question is what local error
14:43:53 <Rolf1> or even more interesting
14:43:57 <Rolf1> how to get rid of it
14:46:19 <warlord> umm... rm -rf $prefix
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14:59:26 <trashbird1240> Hi, has anyone tried to use WEBconnect from Bank of America?
15:02:17 <warlord> GnuCash doesn't support WEBconnect, only DirectConnect
15:02:45 <warlord> WEBConnect generally means "go to their web site, download OFX, then import it"
15:03:25 <trashbird1240> Yes, I understand
15:03:44 <trashbird1240> More specifically when I try to open the file, I get "Unable to parse"
15:04:05 <trashbird1240> (that's what webconnect means at BOA, you're right)
15:04:27 <trashbird1240> I get the same error for OFX and QIF
15:05:15 <trashbird1240> doh!
15:05:26 <trashbird1240> sorry to waste your time: I was using "Open" instead of "Import"
15:06:29 <warlord> WTF is canonical doing scraping SVN?
15:06:51 <warlord> trashbird1240: glad you figured it out :)
15:07:34 <warlord> They are inundating me with:
15:07:34 <warlord> 91.189.90.137 - - [10/Jul/2008:15:07:01 -0400] "PROPFIND /repo/!svn/bc/5075/gnucash/trunk/src/backend/file/test/test-files/xml1/.cvsignore HTTP/1.1" 207 1810 "-" "SVN/1.4.6 (r28521) neon/0.27.2"
15:08:57 <jsled> it's probably that bzr branch on launchpad?
15:08:57 <warlord> Okay, galapagos.canonical.com has just been blocked from the server until they can learn to play nice.
15:09:12 <jsled> what are they doing wrong?
15:09:22 <warlord> Sorry, but they've been pegging my T1 for the past 12+ hours
15:10:51 <trashbird1240> warlord: thanks, ttyl
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15:11:01 <warlord> If they were pulling at 100-200kbps that would be fine, but they're pegging it.
15:11:07 * jsled nods
15:11:41 <warlord> Unfortunately I've only got the one hammer right now :(
15:11:48 <Rolf1> warlord: Can you please quit doing that?
15:11:57 <Rolf1> Are CPU cycles so scarce?
15:12:06 <warlord> Rolf1: not CPU cycles. MY NETWORK!
15:12:06 <Rolf1> Or is that an ego thing?
15:12:17 <Rolf1> Get a bigger network
15:12:36 <warlord> F**K YOU. Are you going to pay for a my bigger network?
15:13:11 * jsled tries to get you two to keep it civil.
15:13:12 <warlord> I'd gladly take an OC3 if you'll pay for it.
15:14:01 <jsled> I wonder if there's an easy apache ad-on/mod to effect rate-limiting.
15:14:18 <warlord> Rolf1: This has nothing to do with ego.. It has everything to do with one IP address flooding my home network by pulling data as fast as they can for hours at a time.
15:14:51 <warlord> jsled: That would be an acceptable alternative but I dont have anything like that currently configured.
15:15:20 <jsled> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Apache_2_bandwidth_limiting
15:15:31 <warlord> Rolf1: For the record this is not the first time I've blocked a machine that's been hosing the server.
15:16:02 <Rolf1> jsled: sure there is a throttle mod for apache
15:16:26 <Rolf1> and if bandwidth is a problem and has been in the past, it should have already been a place
15:16:35 <Rolf1> but blocking is so cool
15:16:41 <jsled> Rolf1: huh?
15:16:48 <warlord> I think he meant "not cool"
15:16:53 <jsled> I don't understand the negativity.
15:17:00 <Rolf1> no, I meant it ironical
15:17:10 <jsled> Er, you mean sarcastic. :)
15:17:38 <Rolf1> that's just a difference in degree
15:17:44 <jsled> Not really.
15:17:53 <jsled> Sarcasm and irony are different things, actually.
15:17:55 <Rolf1> if my undersanding of the English language is correct
15:18:15 <Rolf1> jsled: teach me
15:19:39 <jsled> irony is the condition where something is the opposite of what would be expected. Like, a fitness nut that dies of a heart attack, or the super-economy car that gets popped for speeding.
15:20:45 <jsled> Sarcasm is ... well... http://www.answers.com/sarcasm says "a cutting, often ironic remark", but they're wrong. :) I think of sarcasm more as being intentionally opposite for dramatic effect.
15:21:05 <jsled> Anwyays, I think the times that warlord's needed to block IPs in the past are when they were broken and pegging bandwidth.
15:21:09 <warlord> jsled: you're such a girl! ;)
15:21:25 <jsled> who me? How so?
15:21:26 <warlord> (see... sarcasm)
15:21:49 <warlord> Trying to be the teacher/peacemaker. But I was saying the opposite for dramatic effect. ;)
15:22:28 <warlord> Unfortunately sarcasm generally requires tonal qualities that just don't come across in IM/IRC/email/etc.
15:23:56 <Rolf1> anyways, is my work continuing to be blocked?
15:24:15 <Rolf1> The import has been going on for well over 24 hours now
15:24:27 <Rolf1> of course I'd love to redo that
15:24:29 <jsled> Is it importing all of history?
15:24:49 <jsled> Er. All history? All commits? Can you get it to start at something relatively recent, perhaps?
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15:26:41 <warlord> Rolf1: from 10am until about midnight it was only using about 800kbps, or about 50% of my network. That was fine. But then around midnight it gradually kept creeping up until finally it pegged my network starting around 6am, and kept it pegged until I blocked it.
15:27:18 <warlord> usually I let stuff go for an hour or so.. But it's been over 6 since I noticed and decided to look into it.
15:27:49 <Rolf1> jsled: the idea is to have all of the history, indeed
15:28:04 <Rolf1> I was not aware that indeed it was using up so much bw
15:28:14 <Rolf1> throttling would have been the right thing to do
15:28:24 <Rolf1> given that you knew about LP
15:28:28 <Rolf1> or talking to me
15:28:30 <warlord> LP?
15:28:34 <Rolf1> Launchpad
15:28:40 <Rolf1> the reason for the import
15:28:47 <Rolf1> do you have a snapshot?
15:29:02 <Rolf1> you might have made all the bandwidth go to waste
15:29:13 <warlord> I had no idea it was going to suck down so much for so long. Also 'launchpad.net' != 'canonical.com' in my mind.
15:29:21 <Rolf1> I wasn't either
15:29:33 <Rolf1> or I would have warned and asked your permission
15:29:41 <Rolf1> I thought it was a normal svn check-out
15:29:47 <jsled> yeah, might be easier to just dump a tarball of the svn repo, and do it nearer.
15:29:51 <Rolf1> that takes only a few minutes on my normal dsl line
15:29:56 <warlord> Right.
15:30:01 <Rolf1> jsled: yes, they can do that
15:30:08 <jsled> In fact, is the svn repo rsync'able?
15:30:10 <warlord> we could generate a tarball from the svn repo.
15:30:17 <Rolf1> Can you put one up for download?
15:30:44 <warlord> Yes.
15:30:45 <warlord> [snvroot]
15:30:45 <warlord> path = /home/svn/repo
15:30:45 <warlord> comment = GnuCash SVN
15:31:12 <warlord> It's rsyncable.. BUT I think rsync is only available from ssh.
15:31:53 <warlord> Or I can tar up /home/svn/repo.0 -- last night's backup.
15:32:09 <Rolf1> I think that would be the best
15:33:00 <warlord> It's dated 2008-07-10 05:26 (US/EDT)
15:33:21 <Rolf1> jsled: I am no fan of bzr, either. But it integrates nicely with a ton of services and tools. the gnucash packager team admin kind of insisted on it and eventually it saves us time.
15:33:40 <Rolf1> warlord: it could be a couple of days or even weeks old
15:33:53 <Rolf1> LP will continue to pull the updates regularly
15:34:09 <warlord> I suspect I'll never notice that.
15:35:58 <warlord> And for the record, if Verizon actually would sell me FIOS service I'd have upgraded to their 20/20 (or whatever their highest) is.. Unfortunately they dont have that in my city.
15:36:40 <warlord> svn-repo.tar.gz is 240720861 bytes. 240MB.
15:36:55 <warlord> You should be able to pull that down in an hour.
15:37:05 <warlord> Rolf1: Let me put it up and I'll PM you the URL?
15:37:32 <Rolf1> cool
15:37:40 <Rolf1> btw, svn sucks ;-)
15:37:45 <Rolf1> bzr sucks too
15:37:58 <Rolf1> but in a cooler more up-to-date fashion
15:38:02 <warlord> LOL.
15:38:12 <warlord> svn has its issues, but it's much better than CVS!
15:38:16 <Rolf1> "svn up;svn up -r 17622! breaks stuff
15:38:29 <warlord> "breaks stuff"?
15:38:31 <Rolf1> well, what kind of comparison is that?
15:38:49 <Rolf1> it leaves files all over the place
15:39:00 <warlord> Weird. It shouldn't.
15:39:19 <warlord> Anyways, are you going to download that from that canonical address? Or from somewhere else?
15:39:32 <warlord> (I'll unblock canonical shortly)
15:39:45 <Rolf1> I'm not sure where they will download from
15:40:10 <Rolf1> the computer could and probably will start sucking up the bw again
15:40:19 <Rolf1> do you pay for extra bandwidth?
15:41:46 <warlord> No. I have a T1, which is physically limited to 1.54mbps
15:42:11 <warlord> I just unblocked them for now, but I reserve the right to re-block them if they peg me. :)
15:49:55 <Rolf1> I think they probably will
15:50:25 <Rolf1> nobody has jumped in at this particular problem yet
15:50:32 <Rolf1> I assume the download will try to resume
15:50:44 <Rolf1> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Apache_2_bandwidth_limiting
15:50:51 <Rolf1> or something like that
15:59:17 <warlord> Yeah, looked at that. But if it requires rebuilding the kernel, that's a non-starter
15:59:56 <jsled> Well, that was all about using QoS stuff. I'm sure there's a straightforward mod_throttle or mod_bandwidth or something.
16:01:16 <warlord> I can't get to cband's website. and bwmod's website has no information.
16:02:41 <Rolf1> bandwidth throttle apache@google has tons of info
16:03:15 <Rolf1> I use wondershaper as a general traffic shaper
16:03:17 <warlord> well, htb is already a module, so might not need to rebuild the kernel..
16:03:26 <Rolf1> but that is more for a router, IIRC
16:06:03 <warlord> unfortunately I dont have time to research it right now. I really have real work to do, and I need to finish everything I need to get done before I hop on a plane in about 43 hours.
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17:32:22 <warlord> Rolf1: Looks like the download finished. :)
17:32:43 <warlord> (looks like it took about an hour... Like I thought it would) :-D
17:39:52 <caldr> I posted this a few days ago but nobody could help me. I'm hoping somebody is logged in that can help me now. I'm trying to use the Mortgage/Loan Druid to set up an automatic transaction for my mortgage. I think I've entered the information in correctly, but when I get to the review window it gives me the payment I expect for August 1 on July 31 and the payment I expect on September 1 on August 1 even though I enter the start date as August 1. I've
17:39:52 <caldr> wondered whether the start date is the loan origination date or the first payment date. Also, I'm not sure why there is a start date on the "Loan Information" page and another start date on the "Repayment" page.
17:40:31 <warlord> caldr: I answered this a couple days ago.
17:41:08 <warlord> I'm PRETTY sure the start date is the first payment date.
17:41:34 <warlord> As for two dates.. You need some way to jump in the middle of the loan.
17:42:46 <jsled> I think the dates there are when the loan starts vs. when the repayment starts.
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17:45:46 <caldr> I've tried having the two start dates be the same which gets me closest to what it should do. I have also tried the "Loan Information" start date as the origination date and the "Repayment" date as the the first repayment date but that does not work.
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17:48:41 <jsled> ImMelody: no, there's no activity or plans for a maemo port.
17:48:54 * jsled bends space and time. :)
17:49:01 <ImMelody> Okay.. Then question number #2
17:49:24 <ImMelody> at some point I really screwed up my gtk on my windows machine..
17:49:45 <ImMelody> so now when I try to open gnucash or gimp I get this error:
17:50:14 <ImMelody> "The procedure entry point g_assert_warning could not be located in the dynamic link library libglib-2.0-0.dll."
17:50:42 <ImMelody> I've yet to figure out what I did to create the error and since I've been unable to use a lot of GTK clients
17:51:24 <jsled> I don't really know, but it sounds like nuking everything glib/gtk related and re-installing might be an option.
17:52:10 <ImMelody> I guess I can attempt to do that again...
17:52:18 <ImMelody> guess I should download a real IRC client now XD
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17:56:31 <warlord> jsled: how did you bend space and time there???
17:56:44 <jsled> he asked on freenode.
17:56:49 <warlord> Ahhh
17:56:50 <jsled> <ImMelod1> Does anyone know if there has been a port of this (or if there is any plans for a port) for maemo?
17:56:54 <jsled> :)
17:59:01 <warlord> :)
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18:13:58 <Melody_Latimer> oops
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18:14:33 <ImMel> So yeah... That didn't work.. the whole totally uninstalling and using CCleaner.. still get the error when I reinstall gnucash
18:15:03 <warlord> Do you have multiple libglib-2.0-0.dll files on your system?
18:15:18 <ImMel> hrm.. not that i know of, but let me see
18:15:54 * warlord needs to run. pool time.
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18:16:28 <jsled> There's <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows/Old_Notes#gdb:_Entry_Point_Not_Found>, but it might only be tangentially relevant.
18:17:26 <ImMel> the answer is yes.. i have more than one libglib*.dll files
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18:20:41 <ImMel> um... yeah.. how do I do that?
18:21:10 <jsled> do what?
18:21:36 <ImMel> It says it's other solved problems.. but I don't understand how the problem was solved..
18:21:42 <jsled> What I'd recommend is making sure that your PATH environment variable has the directory with the gnucash-provided .dlls *first*
18:22:03 <jsled> As IIRC, DLLs are searched for and loaded in PATH-order
18:25:16 <ImMel> how do I check the path environment variable?
18:26:46 <jsled> `echo %PATH%` at the command prompt? Or in … what is it … Manage computer > Environment Variables ?
18:29:17 <ImMel> Why do I get the impression you're not on windows....
18:29:31 <jsled> Because I'm not on Windows. :)
18:30:05 <ImMel> Yeah... It's not as simple to find out where your dependency problems lie on Windows as it is in Linux
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23:54:50 <warlord> Uhoh. bzr is at is again..
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