2008-07-07 GnuCash IRC logs
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02:18:36 <JimRaehl> oef: andi5's reply is here: http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2008/07/2008-07-06.html
02:19:07 <JimRaehl> oef: he said, oh, even intrepid and debian unstable lack behind a version... so the only way would be to build gnucash from source
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10:32:53 <Rolf> warlord: Is python-gnucash known?
10:33:03 <Rolf> Is it up to date with current development?
10:33:11 <Rolf> http://www.parit.ca/projects/pythongnucash/
10:33:58 <Rolf> I am hoping it might be a way to deal with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=538913
10:38:33 <warlord> I've heard about it. no clue about its current status
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10:50:44 <Rolf> it seems to be pretty recent
10:50:56 <Rolf> I dug a bit around and found the mailing to the list
10:51:12 <Rolf> warlord, I have read http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows
10:51:27 <Rolf> I was wondering about compiling for Win on *nix
10:51:27 <warlord> Regardless, unless it's a part of gnucash itself, we cannot depend on it inside gnucash.
10:51:31 <Rolf> Is that possible?
10:51:39 <Rolf> I don't see the relevant information
10:51:44 <warlord> I believe we can cross-compile if you have the right libs.
10:52:00 <Rolf> what switches would I need to try?
10:52:48 <Rolf> who is usually making these compilations?
10:52:50 <warlord> You're asking the wrong person
10:52:59 <warlord> Nathan builds the setup.exe
10:53:08 <warlord> Andreas also does some of the work.
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11:15:15 <Rolf> http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/branches/2.2/packaging/win32/README
11:15:49 <Rolf> BTW, does that page look like it has broken css on your end as well?
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11:18:21 <warlord> Nope
11:18:24 <warlord> css looks fine to me
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12:10:33 <Rolf> strange
12:10:43 <Rolf> warlord: can you please apply http://rafb.net/p/11Jp9157.html ?
12:13:07 <warlord> Rolf: done.
12:14:31 <Rolf> thanks
12:22:50 <warlord> NP
12:26:58 <Rolf> andi5: can I talk to you about the aqbanking branch?
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12:36:47 <warlord> Rolf: he's not here.
12:38:40 <Rolf> I know
12:38:54 <Rolf> But isn't there some kind of bot to deliver the message once he logs on?
12:39:29 <jsled> you have to command the bot to do so.
12:39:31 <warlord> only if you @tell
12:52:18 <warlord> BIAB...
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12:57:35 <jsled> gncbot: tell Rolf that he would need to use a pattern like this to get what he wants.
12:57:35 <gncbot> jsled: The operation succeeded.
13:04:45 <Rolf> OK
13:04:45 <gncbot> Rolf: Sent 7 minutes ago: <jsled> that he would need to use a pattern like this to get what he wants.
13:04:47 <Rolf> Thanks
13:05:07 <Rolf> @tell andi5: can I talk to you about the aqbanking branch?
13:05:07 <gncbot> Rolf: The operation succeeded.
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14:17:50 <cstim> hi there
14:18:00 <jsled> hello, cstim.
14:18:09 <cstim> jsled: hi. how are you?
14:18:23 <cstim> I'm getting build errors on trunk since r17249
14:18:38 <jsled> I'm doing pretty well, I think. Yeah. Having fun, &c. How about yourself?
14:18:52 <cstim> ../../../lib/libqof/qof/gnc-date.h:450: Error: Syntax error in input(1).
14:19:09 <cstim> jsled: yeah, fun. Here's a thunderstorm outside.
14:19:19 <cstim> Hope the electricity doesn't go do
14:19:26 <jsled> indeed.
14:19:39 <warlord> Hey cstim!
14:19:44 <jsled> It seems like its been a wet spring/summer over there?
14:20:00 <cstim> http://cstimming.de/php-cgi/Maia2008/IMG_0302
14:20:06 <cstim> warlord: hi!
14:20:16 <warlord> I thought that build issue was fixed.
14:20:32 <cstim> warlord: yes, I thought that, too, but my swig still complains
14:20:42 <cstim> SWIG Version 1.3.29
14:20:52 <warlord> OH! You need 1.3.31
14:20:53 <cstim> gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux)
14:21:02 <cstim> Do we check for the swig version?
14:21:33 <cstim> and why do I need 1.3.31? Did I miss some announcement?
14:21:45 <warlord> Oh... Hmm, it seems like it's 1.3.28 we check for.
14:21:49 <warlord> Maybe I misremember?
14:23:11 <warlord> cstim: Also, I'm 99% sure that particular gnc-date.h build issue has been correcte.
14:24:50 <warlord> cstim: Yeah, that was fixed in 17250
14:25:12 <cstim> the required swig version hasn't been changed since r15024, the merge of the swig-redo branch.
14:25:43 <cstim> warlord: that's what I figured from the changelog, but apparently this isn't sufficient over here.
14:26:50 <cstim> r17248 good; r17249 bad, r17250 bad as well.
14:28:01 <cstim> only if I remove the %include <gnc-date.h> from engine.i it works again.
14:28:15 <cstim> (approx. line 134, that is)
14:28:47 <warlord> Hmm...
14:28:59 <warlord> Maybe I didn't rebuild swig..
14:29:44 <cstim> what do you get when (in build) you do rm src/engine/swig-engine.c and run make?
14:30:32 <warlord> Works for me.
14:30:38 <warlord> gcc version 4.1.2 20070925 (Red Hat 4.1.2-27)
14:30:44 <warlord> swig-1.3.33-1.fc7
14:32:17 <cstim> works for me only if I remove %include <gnc-date.h> from engine.i
14:32:39 <cstim> Also, I don't understand why this include has been added anyway...
14:32:57 <cstim> http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/17249#file6
14:33:29 <cstim> The declaration of gnc_default_strftime_date_format was added in engine.i as well, hence I don't see the need for the include.
14:34:05 <warlord> If it works for you....
14:36:13 <cstim> Do we run some swig tests with "make check"?
14:36:59 <warlord> Probably not.
14:37:27 <warlord> But you can test it via a report that uses strftime()
14:38:11 <cstim> yes, once the build has completed, which (as usual) takes ages...
14:38:28 <cstim> Once I've tested this, I'd like to commit the python-bindings
14:38:47 <cstim> they appeared on -devel in March but no updates have been sent since then.
14:43:06 <warlord> I was waiting for them to integrate into the existing .i files.
14:59:32 <cstim> warlord: yes, I saw your reply; however, 1. the .i files are rather small - IMHO there isn't too much to gain here, and 2. Rolf specifically asks for the python bindings (and has a use case), hence I'd like to make them available in SVN so that they get a wider testing audience.
15:00:17 <warlord> They are small, but it means you need to modify TWO .i files every time you want to wrap a new API.
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15:07:21 <Rolf> I saw the pythong-gnucash guys make an announcement that any further development was done inside gnucash itself
15:07:43 <Rolf> Have they indeed not made the commit into gnucash svn after all?
15:08:33 <warlord> There have been no python commits, yet.
15:08:45 <warlord> I was waiting for an update with integration into the existing .i files.
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15:17:11 <cstim> shoot. Trying to compile the src/optional/python-bindings directory gives me again the Error: Syntax error in input(1)
15:17:20 <cstim> I'll commit the current status anyway.
15:17:35 <warlord> ok...
15:18:27 <cstim> Rolf: done, r17263.
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15:19:04 <cstim> Get the SVN and then ./configure --enable-python-bindings; good luck with those :-)
15:19:58 <warlord> Heheh
15:24:13 <cstim> warlord: thanks for the commit-access fix.
15:24:19 <warlord> I hope it works.
15:24:22 <cstim> heh.
15:24:47 <cstim> warlord: during your stay in Frankfurt, will you be busy during the day? I'd guess so...
15:25:22 <warlord> Yeah, probably.
15:25:29 <warlord> I'll be at the PGP.de offices
15:26:02 <cstim> has anyone already asked for a meeting?
15:27:36 <warlord> Nope.
15:41:08 <cstim> warlord: if I can make it, it would be for Friday night (25th) or Saturday.
15:42:57 <warlord> Friday night would work. Saturday my flight departs FRA at 1555
15:57:05 <cstim> ok, I'll let you know how this works out here.
15:57:07 <cstim> see ya
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17:51:45 <Rolf> warlord: I managed again to trigger your clever blocker script
17:51:57 <warlord> well, stop doing that.
17:52:42 <warlord> When?
17:52:56 <Rolf> 87.78.214.15
17:53:00 <Rolf> just a minute ago
17:53:03 <Rolf> Sorry
17:53:15 <Rolf> but I am troubleshooting some bzr tools
17:53:26 <warlord> I dont see that in the logs.
17:53:56 <warlord> That IP Isn't blocked.
17:54:50 <Rolf> OK
17:54:57 <Rolf> Well, whatever
17:55:07 <Rolf> thanks
17:55:12 <Rolf> and sorry for the noise
17:55:42 <warlord> If you're having problems with that IP then it's not me.
17:57:01 <warlord> Anyways, I'm off to the pool. Laters.
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18:55:19 <caldr704> I'm trying to use the Mortgage/Loan Druid to set up an automatic transaction for my mortgage. I think I've entered the information in correctly, but when I get to the review window it gives me the payment I expect for August 1 on July 31 and the payment I expect on September 1 on August 1.
18:55:43 <caldr704> I may have entered the start date wrong although I don't think I did.
18:56:47 <jsled> If you're still in the driud you can go back to the start date field to check
18:58:10 <caldr704> I already checked. I put a start date of August 1. I've wondered whether the start date is the date the loan is initialized or the first payment date.
18:58:32 <caldr704> I put the first payment date.
18:59:10 <jsled> maybe use the loan orig date?
18:59:31 <jsled> I forget exactly how that value is used, or if it's > ${start_date} or ≥ ${start_date}
19:00:28 <caldr704> I'll try it again but I think I've already done that and it didn't work.
19:04:34 <caldr704> One of the things that is confusing is there are two start dates. One is on the first screen which is for the loan information and the other is on the next screen which is the "Repayment" screen.
19:05:56 <caldr704> When I put the start date for the loan information as July 1 and the start date for the "Repayment screen as August 1, I get the first repayment May 31.
19:08:22 <caldr704> Actually it's May 30th.
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19:09:35 <caldr704> It seems to be getting the numbers right. It's just messing up the dates.
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21:00:05 <jsled> Wow. The 22 messages in the gnucash-user moderation queue from the last few days were pretty much entirely ham.
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21:55:20 <warlord> jsled: wow
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22:26:04 <laj> question: how do i write off an uncollecible invoice?
22:28:25 <warlord> Process Payment, then redirect to Expenses:Uncollectable.
22:28:34 <warlord> (you cannot process payment into Expense)
22:29:11 <laj> ok cool
22:29:15 <laj> that makes sense.
22:31:07 <laj> another Q: if I guranteed my work, and had to write off a bunch of expected income due to said guarantee, is there a way to account for the lost income (is that considered bad debt), or am I just SOL?
22:33:04 <warlord> Umm... this is after they paid you? And you write them a check to refund?
22:33:11 <laj> no
22:33:14 <laj> didn't get paid.
22:33:20 <laj> invoice disputed, and
22:33:27 <laj> I didn't argue
22:33:43 <warlord> I'd do it similarly.. But to Expenses:Guarantee Refund
22:33:44 <laj> I'm just wondering if I get any "credit" for the expended effort.
22:34:00 <warlord> I dont know.. depends on your locale/laws.
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22:34:23 <laj> true...
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22:43:31 <laj> anybody here know the details for Ohio, USA?
22:46:49 <warlord> You'd best ask a tax accountant
22:47:52 <laj> know any good fee ones that are online at this hour :-)
22:48:46 <warlord> fee? or free?
22:48:48 <warlord> Nope.
22:49:13 <laj> thanks for your answers warlord.
22:49:20 <laj> you've been very helpful.
22:49:38 <warlord> i tru
22:49:39 <warlord> try
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22:58:27 <laj> warlord: can you clarify "redirect payment" to exp:unc? do you mean manually change the acocunt from my checking account tot he expense account?
22:58:44 <warlord> yes
22:58:51 <laj> cool.
22:58:54 <laj> thanks again.
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