2008-06-28 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:20:40 <puneet> Hi, i just started using gnucas on windows vista. in the new account hierarchy setup. clear all does not deselect the Business Accounts checkbox..is this a bug? is it known?
09:23:16 <jsled> Sounds like a bug. I don't recall hearing about it before. Might be that the "clear all" button is really hoooked up to a "Reset to defaults" implementation.
09:24:16 <puneet> jsled: dont think even thats the case. because the default selected is common accounts.
09:26:24 <jsled> Oh.
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10:00:57 <puneet_> ok..I am mainly using gnucash to maintain a ledger of receivables..
10:01:08 <puneet_> do i have to search for a customer
10:01:27 <puneet_> i mean cant i just get a customer list and select
10:01:47 <puneet_> or atleast something like most frequenly used customer list
10:02:04 *** warlord-afk is now known as warlord
10:02:06 <warlord> puneet: sorry, no
10:02:35 <warlord> You could run a Receivable Aging report and select "show customers with 0 balance"
10:04:03 <puneet_> warlord: i am mainly looking at the screen where while creating a new invoice I have to select a customer
10:04:52 <warlord> From there I believe you can only search.
10:04:59 <warlord> There are numerous RFEs for improvement
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10:06:20 <puneetlakhina> ok..what language is GnuCash for windows coded in. Could I help? in implementing this feature?
10:06:33 <warlord> C
10:06:45 <warlord> (it's the same code on all platforms)
10:08:13 <puneetlakhina> ok. I shall try doing this. Any suggestions on where to look for starting out on doing this? I dont really have any dev tools on windows.
10:09:11 <warlord> I highly recommend developing on Linux. It's MUCH faster to build/test.
10:09:29 <warlord> Research Gtk, in particular the GtkEntry.
10:10:17 <puneetlakhina> ok..allright..
10:10:33 <puneetlakhina> is there a different irc channel for developers?
10:11:02 <warlord> nope, this is it
10:12:03 <puneetlakhina> ok great..will try it out. by the way I think the documentation is superb. Its just so easy to learn.
10:13:08 <warlord> Great.
10:13:44 <warlord> I'm trying to find the resource for the callback that Gtk provides that would let you perform inline searches, but it's been over a year since I've looked into it.
10:15:59 <warlord> Ahh... GtkCompletion with GtkCombo..
10:16:07 <puneetlakhina> one more thing, in creating a new invoice i dont get any options under terms. I only get None. Yet I am unable to edit the due date
10:16:08 <warlord> See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101456
10:16:20 <warlord> Did you define any terms?
10:17:27 <warlord> Er... GtkEntryCompletion
10:17:51 <jsled> I'd just list the companies.
10:18:14 <jsled> No one wants to search. And you can do ad-hoc search in the GtkList anyways.
10:19:55 <puneetlakhina> where can i define the terms
10:21:10 <warlord> puneetlakhina: Business -> Billing Terms Editor
10:23:35 <puneetlakhina> I select none in the terms, and I still cant select a due date. the calendar appears but selecting a different date just doesnt do anything
10:24:32 <puneetlakhina> although the text field is editable, where I can change the date.
10:24:35 <warlord> Yes, I believe that the Due Date is always computed from the post date + bill terms.
10:24:45 <warlord> (i.e., there is no way to set it)
10:25:35 <puneetlakhina> secondly I have only one A/R account and until i select that drop down and select that one single account. I get a pop up that I must select an account.
10:25:57 <puneetlakhina> warlord: but my terms are none. so in that case as per the documentation I should be able to select a due date
10:26:00 <warlord> What version of GnuCash? I thought that bug was fixed.
10:26:37 <puneetlakhina> the latest version 2.2.5
10:27:05 <warlord> you said windows vista, right?
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10:28:30 <puneetlakhina> yeah
10:28:42 <puneetlakhina> warlord: Windows Vista Home Premium
10:30:04 <warlord> Where's andi5 when we need him?
10:32:15 <puneetlakhina> warlord: I was going throught the bug details. Why hasnt Davis's patch been included yet?
10:32:32 <puneetlakhina> warlord: I mean David's
10:32:41 <warlord> Because it doesn't solve the real problem. It's a bandaid solution.
10:35:20 <puneetlakhina> yeah..but its been too long waiting for the plaster. atleast give us the band aid and allows us to stop bleeding :-)
10:36:06 <warlord> Sometimes the bandaid can cause more damage.
10:37:01 <warlord> When I wrote that code I made assumptions about the interface always having at least one term. I'd have to spend lots of time to analyze the code to verify that it's safe in all corner cases, for fear of introducing other problems.
10:37:15 <warlord> ... unless I get lots of people running with the patch and saying that they haven't seen any issues.
10:37:57 <puneetlakhina> warlord: Could I get a windows build with the patch somewhere?
10:38:10 <warlord> Sure! Pull down the sources and build it.
10:38:20 <warlord> Oh, you mean pre-built FOR you? Unlikely.
10:38:37 <puneetlakhina> warlord: what all do I need to build it on WIndows?
10:39:07 <warlord> puneetlakhina: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#Q:_Is_it_possible_to_compile_GnuCash_on_Windows.3F
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10:40:00 <warlord> Or better yet: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#Instructions_for_an_.28almost.29_automated_build
10:40:10 <warlord> BIAB.
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10:52:58 <jp> Hello
10:53:12 <jp> How does one pronounce 'gnu-cash'? 'new-cash' ?
10:53:20 <jsled> guh-new-cash
10:53:45 <jp> guh, like saying 'g' but with an 'uh'?
10:53:58 <jsled> Or, "The name “GNU” is a recursive acronym for “GNU's Not Unix”; it is pronounced g-noo, as one syllable with no vowel sound between the g and the n." + cash
10:54:03 <jsled> (from http://www.gnu.org/)
10:54:28 <jp> aah interresting
10:54:32 <jp> so its like saying 'no cash'
10:54:34 <jp> :/
10:54:48 <jsled> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU has IPA and a sound file.
10:55:37 <jsled> No, the "noo" isn't "no", it's more "new".
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10:58:06 <warlord> It's a G'new
10:58:20 <warlord> (but not like G'Kar)
10:58:43 <jsled> Hmm. Rush to clean the gutters now, or wait until after the storm...
10:59:01 <jsled> Oh, that'll be fun. Nasty wet gutters.
10:59:06 <jsled> Better rush.
10:59:29 <jp> a silent g?
11:00:11 <warlord> jp: no, a hard g. Like in Goose
11:00:25 <warlord> Or "Get outta here"
11:00:31 <warlord> ;-)
11:00:39 <jp> hmmm
11:00:45 <jp> what a tricky word!
11:00:47 <_gunni_> Or like gorilla
11:01:07 <jp> so its like say g-new ?
11:01:21 <jp> the 'n' makes it very hard to pronounce correctly, in that case
11:02:35 <_gunni_> Just listen to the soundfile: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/En-gnu.ogg
11:03:00 <jp> it won't download
11:03:01 <jp> something's wrong
11:04:25 <jp> oh
11:04:25 <warlord> jp: it's not hard at all. Say "Guh" as in the beginning of "Gun", then "New"
11:04:26 <jp> got it!
11:04:27 <jp> lol
11:04:29 * jp feels so stupid
11:04:40 <jp> its g, pronounced like in german
11:05:11 <warlord> No, "german" uses a soft g.
11:05:13 <_gunni_> Yes ,like you pronounce the animal gnu
11:05:46 <warlord> it's like "gun"
11:06:08 <_gunni_> warlord: I think the pronounce is like in german ... i am a german, hope its correct what i say :)
11:06:14 <jp> basically, its pronounced exactly the way that it's written
11:06:19 <jp> but it appears to have a silent g
11:06:20 <_gunni_> yes
11:06:23 <jp> so then why 'gnu' ?
11:06:25 <jp> What does it mean?
11:06:43 <_gunni_> [16:53:58] <@jsled> Or, "The name “GNU” is a recursive acronym for “GNU's Not Unix”; it is pronounced
11:07:13 <jp> I am not that brilliant with phonetic writing
11:07:32 <_gunni_> Sorry, had the wrong charset.
11:07:52 <jp> k
11:07:55 <_gunni_> GNU is an acronym for "GNU's Not Unix"
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11:09:41 <jp> that's recursive
11:09:42 <jp> it means nothing
11:09:58 <jp> limited, does it mean 'this is not UNIX' ?
11:10:04 <_gunni_> Yes
11:10:16 <_gunni_> But recursive for ... i think just for fun
11:10:25 <jp> yeah
11:10:27 <jp> to make you trip out a bit
11:10:38 <jp> a lot of the open source stuff has some strange spirituality associated with it
11:11:29 <_gunni_> I also like as example slashdot.com as name ... you just get the joke when you read the complete url "http://slashdot.com"
11:12:06 <_gunni_> (in english of course)
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11:13:05 <warlord> _gunni_: What's the joke? Aych tee tee pee colon forward-slash forward-slash slashdot period com -- I dont get it.
11:13:15 <warlord> ;-)
11:13:19 <_gunni_> :)
11:14:25 <jp> lol
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14:01:37 <weatherhead> hi guys, is there any way to use a QIF file for reconciling? My bank emails me statements as QIF files
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14:25:13 <jsled> weatherhead: I don't believe there is, no.
14:25:19 <Sememmon> anyone around that could lend a hand setting up online banking? I've got the bank info from the lil shell script listed on the wiki, but I can't seem to get things to work and am not sure why.. I just get errors parsing data.
14:26:25 <Sememmon> tried running with debugging info.. that didn't seem to help..
14:31:59 <Sememmon> 3:2008/06/28 11-31-58:(null)(29650):provider.c: 1179: Error parsing data: -1
14:32:00 <Sememmon> O.o
14:39:43 <Sememmon> hard to tell what I've not configured correctly..
14:47:15 <warlord> Sememmon: I believe there's a way to turn on verbose debugging so AqB saves your whole communication log.
14:48:11 <Sememmon> that would be nice
14:48:28 <Sememmon> I'm trying some logging settings that jsled has listed on the wiki, but that doesn't seem to be helping much..
14:49:23 <Sememmon> warlord: any idea how to do that?
14:49:39 <warlord> nope. i've never used the AqB side
14:50:02 <Sememmon> doh.
14:50:43 <Sememmon> well, its kind of a deal-breaker for me if I can't get it working.. I'm much too lazy to use accounting software that can't get my bank info for me. =P
14:56:40 <warlord> ask dbreiser?
15:01:05 <Sememmon> warlord: who is that?
15:02:05 <warlord> David Reiser
15:02:46 <Sememmon> Still not sure who that is.. I'm new to the gnucash world. Does he come by here?
15:04:04 <warlord> Sometimes.
15:04:40 <Sememmon> Is there a better way to contact him?
15:05:24 <warlord> the list?
15:06:23 <Sememmon> mm.. guess I'll give it a try. not normally a fan/user of mailing lists for some reason. I can't really explain why. =]
15:07:42 * warlord shrugs
15:08:51 <Sememmon> warlord: thanks for the help.
15:09:09 <warlord> you're welcome
15:19:53 <Sememmon> Woo! I think I got it working thanks to the ofxblog =]
15:20:55 <weatherhead> if I can't directly reconcile from a QIF file is there a way I can import a QIF file to an entirely duplicate account structure, so I can then manually go through each entry and reconcile it
15:22:05 <warlord> weatherhead: you could by specifying a different account .. but i suspect it's more trouble than it's worth to just go through the reconcile dialog with your monthly paper statement
15:22:18 <weatherhead> warlord: I don't actually get a paper statement
15:22:38 <weatherhead> they give you a better interest rate for online only statements, go figure
15:26:05 <warlord> well, fine.. s/monthly paper statement/monthly PDF statement/
15:26:13 <weatherhead> rightho
15:26:59 <Sememmon> now I just have to figure out how to use gnucash.. lol..
15:27:51 <warlord> I recommend the docs
15:28:16 * Sememmon nods.
15:28:31 <Sememmon> I have a lot to read. Just happy I can download transactions now ^_^
15:31:49 <warlord> :)
15:33:05 <Sememmon> For some reason I still find it a little creepy using an open-source app for banking..
15:37:47 <warlord> why?
15:37:58 <warlord> This way you can see EXACTLY what's going on with you finances!
15:38:08 <warlord> I find it creepy using a closed-source financial app!
15:38:19 <warlord> How do i know that Quicken isn't transfering my money to Intuit?
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21:15:04 <jeremy> Gnucash crashes on me with a segmentation fault. Any ideas? Thx in advance.
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23:24:36 <tonyn> who
23:24:40 <tonyn> ?
23:24:43 <tonyn> help
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