2008-05-24 GnuCash IRC logs
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14:12:08 <Catylist> hello, I have a bit of a problem, in gnucash my deposits and withdrawls are swapped
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14:22:01 <jsled> Catylist: what do you mean? How are you entering the transactions, and why do you believe they're swapped?
14:22:32 <Catylist> well, im able to download the transactions from my bank, but then they download to the Imbalance account
14:22:51 <jsled> download how?
14:22:54 <Catylist> but then I look at the account, and compare it to the bank online
14:23:24 <Catylist> using Actions --> Online Actions --> Get transactions
14:23:29 <jsled> Ah.
14:24:00 <jsled> I don't know that area of the code very well, but it sounds like you're missing the step where you assign the transactions to Expense accounts.
14:24:12 <Catylist> possibly im quite new at this
14:24:24 <jsled> Thus, they end up against the Imbalance account instead.
14:25:01 <Catylist> hmm, is there a field editor, meaning, is there something that allows me to compare the fiields in the local account vs the fields coming from my bank?
14:25:07 <jsled> As for the deposits and withdrawls … if you open the register for the Asset account (Checking, Savings, whatever), do the values appear in the "deposit" and "withdrawl" columns correctly?
14:25:19 <Catylist> nope thats the problem
14:25:26 <Catylist> all the deposits are under the withdrawl column
14:25:38 <Catylist> and visa versa
14:25:42 <jsled> Okay. Just making sure.
14:26:17 <jsled> I'm not sure how the importer could be coaxed into (letting you :) mess up that part of the import … but like I say, I don't know that part of the app very welll.
14:26:29 <jsled> It could be that hte data the bank is returning is wrong.
14:26:50 <Catylist> possibly
14:27:03 <Catylist> Ill try to use the export feature and see if it works
14:27:21 <Catylist> and ill import a quicken file from the website
14:27:28 <jsled> I don't think there's an explicit "field comparison" anywhere, but the importer should match existing transactions to imported ones, while you're assigning the accounts.
14:27:52 <jsled> As well, you'll probably want to turn on "Bayesian matching" in the Preferences so that it'll learn to do fuzzy matching on future imports.
14:28:02 <jsled> (I'm not sure why we don't auto-enable that preference, actually)
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14:29:20 <Catylist> oh thanks, that could be useful
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17:32:11 <JustinTArthur> Hey, how do I change the initial value of a pre-existing account?
17:32:40 <JustinTArthur> Rather the "opening balance"
17:33:15 <jsled> Just make an appropriately-dated transaction against Equity:Opening Balances.
17:33:19 <jsled> (or change the one that's there.)
17:33:32 <jsled> That's all the new-account druid is doing.
17:33:42 <JustinTArthur> ah hah, sneaky
17:33:43 <JustinTArthur> thanks :)
17:33:49 <jsled> you're welcome
17:36:48 <JustinTArthur> Also, what's the R column?
17:37:16 <jsled> For reconciliation status.
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17:42:44 <JustinTArthur> Gotchya
17:44:05 <JustinTArthur> For a credit card's liability account... should I set an opening balance? If so, would it be my credit limit or the outstanding balance?
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17:44:21 <jsled> the outstanding balance; the limit isn't really represented anywhere.
17:45:36 <JustinTArthur> jsled, great, and I should make the opening balance transaction a "decrease" from the equity account, right?
17:46:36 <jsled> Right. Or, by default, any outstanding balance you need to pay will be positive.
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20:42:08 <MichaelTiemann> Can I represent three independent entities in GNU Cash by prefixing things like Equity, Expenses, etc. with abbreviations for the three entities?
20:42:40 <MichaelTiemann> I want to handle the case where my personal accounts, and two business accounts all reconcile to each other, but which also remain independent
20:43:13 <MichaelTiemann> From what I can tell, gnucash really wants to manage a single, albeit complex entity, and there's no good way to manage multiple entities
20:44:04 <MichaelTiemann> I'd just like to verify that sense (or hack around it by having MT:Expenses, AB:Expenses, UV:Expenses)
20:44:13 <MichaelTiemann> Now I wait...
21:18:37 <jsled> MichaelTiemann: I think that should work.
21:18:59 <jsled> I mean, you could also prototype it in a datafile and try out some of the common types of transfers you'd make.
21:19:03 <jsled> It should be clear pretty quickly.
21:20:01 <MichaelTiemann> jsled: are you talking about the idea of using prefixes?
21:20:32 <MichaelTiemann> I have enough experiences with business processes to know that you cannot easily tell whether or how a simple prototype will fail
21:20:38 <jsled> well, maybe not prefixes per se. But having parallel accounts trees in the same datafile.
21:21:02 <MichaelTiemann> I have seen many simplistic systems work great but then crap out at just the wrong time
21:21:09 <jsled> One thing to watch out for is using the account separator character (usually ":") as part of the name of the account.
21:21:33 <MichaelTiemann> If gnucash were designed to handle both a personal account and a business account in parallel, then'd I'd trust it to do a personal account and two business accounts.
21:21:45 <jsled> It's not designed for that.
21:21:57 <MichaelTiemann> If it was designed to really only handle a single party's account, then having two ore more might lead to pain in the future
21:22:14 <jsled> It's really designed and does make *some* assumptions that there's a single entity's accounts in the datafile.
21:22:20 <MichaelTiemann> jsled: thanks--that's the key bit of info I was looking for
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