2008-05-21 GnuCash IRC logs
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13:34:13 <simon_> my current account overview looks like this: http://stuff.anarcho.dk/gnucash.txt - what I'm not even paying attention to is where this money is located on the external accounts. (this is a small-time project so I don't have separate bank/paypal accounts for the GnuCash accounts).
13:35:13 <simon_> what would be a sensible way to track both who donated money to which project pool (and which project getting money from each pool), and at the same time where the money is located (paypal, my bank account, somewhere else)
13:35:25 <simon_> should I be using split transactions here?
13:36:10 <warlord> Umm.. I dont think there's a good way to keep track of TWO vectors like that, except using duplicate sub-buckets.
13:36:25 <warlord> GnuCash doesn't have "tags", which would be useful for this case.
13:36:38 <warlord> (tags/categories/etc)
13:37:50 <simon_> ah
13:38:06 <simon_> yeah.. because splitting would really divide the money into two, which isn't what I seek.
13:38:32 <simon_> duplicate sub-buckets sounds interesting. I'll RTFM on that
13:39:47 <warlord> What I mean is that you'd have something like: Assets:Bank1:Checking:{Pool1,Pool2,Pool3}, Assets:Bank2:Checking:{Pool1,Pool2,Pool3}
13:40:02 <warlord> This makes it easier to reconcile with the banks.. But harder to see how much you have in each pool.
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13:55:49 <simon_> warlord, someone suggested to sub-account the Income:Donors account based on what cause they're donating to.
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13:57:45 <|naz> Hello. I have a problem with gnucash om windows.
13:58:19 <|naz> After I reinstalled windows I can't 'import' my old profile to gnucash
13:58:34 <|naz> I read the FAQ and the wiki and can't figure it out
13:58:39 <|naz> thanks in advance
13:59:25 <jsled> "profile"?
14:01:01 <|naz> ehm, I mean the whole structure
14:01:09 <|naz> not sure what it's called, sorry
14:01:15 <jsled> Your data file?
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14:01:22 <jsled> Just File > Open it.
14:01:30 <|naz> yes, but what file
14:01:43 <jsled> Whatever you called it.
14:02:09 <|naz> I backed up my old files from the last installation and couldn't find any files that appear to have to extensions gnucash uses
14:02:29 <jsled> Gnucash doesn't enforce any particular extension.
14:02:36 <|naz> I also found a file without a name, that could propably could be my data file, but it doesn't open with "open file"
14:02:37 <jsled> See if you can find a bunch of ".xac" files, though.
14:02:58 <jsled> If you can, they'll be called "whatever.{timestamp}.xac"
14:03:09 <jsled> If you see a file called "whatever" in the same directory, that's your datafile.
14:03:20 <|naz> ok will try that - thanks :)
14:05:46 <|naz> ok, I can't find any xac files besides the examples that came with GnuCash
14:06:51 <jsled> Mabye, similarly, .log files.
14:07:04 <|naz> tried that too
14:07:15 <|naz> couldn't find any files that looked like gnucash files
14:07:30 <|naz> in .gnucash/books is a file without extension
14:07:48 <|naz> opening it with an editor shows the structure of my old file
14:07:48 <jsled> That's not yours.
14:08:01 <jsled> ... er, what do you mean?
14:08:05 <jsled> Is it an XML file?
14:08:12 <jsled> Or does it describe your window layout?
14:08:41 <|naz> I guess the windows layout
14:08:41 <jsled> (like what pages are open, in what order, &c.)
14:08:44 <|naz> it's not xml
14:09:00 <|naz> it's like [top] [window 1] etc....
14:09:30 <jsled> Okay. So, if you save a datafile c:\documents\jsled\finances-2008 , then gnucash will create a ~/.gnucash/books/finances-2008 file that has the information you see.
14:09:40 <jsled> If your real datafile is that other location.
14:10:33 <|naz> aha
14:11:00 <|naz> ATM my .gnuchash folder only hast ./books and ./checks and some other gnucash files in it
14:11:23 <jsled> right. .gnucash is for the application's storage.
14:11:30 <|naz> ah ok
14:11:43 <|naz> So where should I look for my file ?
14:11:47 <jsled> Your datafile should not be in there. You should not put your datafile in there. It's gnucash's, not yours.
14:11:56 <jsled> I can't answer that. It's wherever you saved it.
14:12:02 <|naz> aha ok
14:12:22 <jsled> Here's an idea: Create a new file just for fun, then File > Save it. What directory does it suggest you save it in? Is your file in that directory?
14:12:36 <|naz> let my try that out...
14:12:52 <jsled> What would you have named your financial data file? Something like "money" or "bank-of-example" or "finances" or …?
14:14:28 <|naz> an't remember -,-
14:14:39 <|naz> what would the file look like if i'd open it with an editor /
14:14:40 <|naz> ?
14:14:47 <|naz> just a rough scetch
14:16:12 <jsled> It's probably zlib-compressed XML, that starts with [[[
14:16:13 <jsled> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
14:16:13 <jsled> <gnc-v2
14:16:15 <jsled> ]]]
14:17:47 <|naz> aha, ok
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14:20:50 <|naz> Can't find any files that look like that. I also searched all the log files and can't find any file with [name]_timestamp.log
14:20:55 <|naz> Any other ideas ?
14:21:33 <jsled> |naz: well, it is zlib (gzip) compressed. So if you did a file contents search for "gnc-v2", it won't find it.
14:22:27 <|naz> I looked in the default save directory for any gnucashi-ish looking file and also search for every .log file
14:22:47 <jsled> Also, just to be precise, the pattern of the file names is: {file-basename}.{timestamp}.xac (or .log), e.g. for my datafile "books-2006.gnc", the file is "books-2006.gnc.20080512202240.xac"
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14:25:19 <|naz> :/ still no luck
14:25:40 <jsled> Sorry, I don't know what to tell you. :(
14:27:07 <|naz> ah damn, was using it for over a year now :/
14:27:25 <|naz> well, I'll stick around. Maybe someone will have an idea :)
14:27:35 <|naz> thanks a lot for your help jsled
14:27:57 <jsled> |naz: you're welcome.
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17:09:30 <warlord> |naz: Are you sure you backed up your data directory before you reinstalled/upgraded?
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19:05:27 <|naz> @warlord : that's the problem. I totally forgot. I thought I just can reuse the files.
19:05:27 <gncbot> |naz: Error: "warlord" is not a valid command.
19:05:38 <|naz> warlord : that's the problem. I totally forgot. I thought I just can reuse the files.
19:06:09 <warlord> |naz: you CAN reuse the files.. But you gotta know where the file is. Just like you can re-use your Word documents, but man, you better know where you saved that thesis!
19:06:44 <|naz> yeah.that's the stupid thing. I can't remember where I saved them and also not the name
19:07:00 <|naz> I kinda think what the name could be, but not sure :/
19:08:24 <warlord> "search"?
19:08:39 <|naz> no results
19:09:02 <|naz> i was hoping I could find some backup files or sth
19:18:57 <warlord> I have no idea where on your system you might've saved it.. Or maybe your re-install deleted it?
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