2008-05-04 GnuCash IRC logs
00:07:57 *** fell has quit IRC
00:10:46 *** foo_ has left #gnucash
00:14:17 *** fell has joined #gnucash
00:45:00 *** Demitar has quit IRC
01:02:25 <fell> OK, could an admin move wiki/De/Glosar to wiki/De/Glossar ? (Arnold made a typo)
01:03:00 *** warlord-afk is now known as warlord
01:03:15 <warlord> fell: stdby...
01:04:47 <warlord> fell: done.
01:06:07 <fell> warlord: thanks! :)
01:06:45 <warlord> NP
01:36:33 *** XiXaQ has joined #GnuCash
01:36:33 *** joerlend__ has quit IRC
02:38:40 *** kielein has joined #gnucash
02:46:52 *** warlord is now known as warlord-afk
03:02:24 *** fell has quit IRC
03:09:29 *** XiXaQ has quit IRC
03:14:09 *** XiXaQ has joined #GnuCash
04:49:04 *** Jannick has joined #gnucash
05:16:38 *** XiXaQ has quit IRC
05:49:43 *** psb777 has joined #gnucash
05:51:35 <psb777> I'm having trouble printing landscape from GnuCash. Is this the correct place to ask about this?
05:55:38 <psb777> Unsure what "meta-ask" is. Maybe my previous question was a good example. Report->Account report. File->Print... Select landscape and "Create a PDF document" it comes out portrait. Bug? Or am I doing something wrong? [Or (meta-ask) is this the wrong place to ask?]
06:54:23 <cortana> psb777: meta-asking is asking about asking :)
06:54:37 <cortana> now you've asked your question just wait until someone who knwos the answer responds ... you are in the right place :)
07:10:33 <psb777> Ha! A meta-answer! (Thanks.)
07:14:44 *** _McLANE_ has quit IRC
07:44:39 *** romkyns has joined #gnucash
07:56:03 *** |gunni| has joined #gnucash
08:00:00 <romkyns> hi all! I've started using GnuCash a couple of weeks ago and accumulated a long list of minor issues. What's the best way to make this list public? Create bugzilla issues for each one? Bugzilla doesn't seem to be used much at all.
09:22:04 *** XiXaQ has joined #GnuCash
09:39:57 *** warlord-afk is now known as warlord
09:40:19 <warlord> psb777: What version of gnucash? Honestly I've never tried printing in landscape mode.
09:41:05 <warlord> romkyns: Check the FAQ. Check the List Archives. Check Bugzilla. Make sure your issues haven't been discussed/report first. If not, then you can create enhancement requests in bugzilla, which IS used.
09:41:28 <warlord> But keep in mind that an enhancement request without a patch to implement it will most likely be "ignored" for a long time.
09:41:46 <warlord> We have many many suggestions. We don't have enough development cycles to get to all of it.
09:53:25 <psb777> warlord: 2.2.4 currently on Ubuntu Hardy and earlier 2.2.* on Ubuntu Gutsy.
09:54:27 <warlord> psb777: And what version of gtk and gtkhtml does that use?
09:56:40 *** kling0n has joined #gnucash
10:02:36 *** Sound has joined #gnucash
10:03:21 <Sound> anyone using gnucash 2.2.x on a Mac?
10:03:40 <warlord> lots of people do.
10:04:04 <Sound> warlord: I know, but I'm unable to get around a bug I submitted.
10:04:35 <warlord> what bug? what version of OSX? GnuCash?
10:05:38 <Sound> warlord: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531091
10:07:16 <warlord> Oh, that's not a gnucash bug.. It's a bug in GTK
10:07:26 <warlord> Upgrade gtk to 2.10.10
10:07:36 <warlord> (or higher)
10:08:38 <Sound> warlord: that's what I was told in the ticket. However, Fink still provides GTK+ 2.6.10 and I'm curious to know how do people live with the Fink-installed gnucash
10:08:51 <warlord> Even fink-unstable?
10:08:58 <Sound> yes
10:09:39 <Sound> warlord: http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/gtk+2
10:13:05 <warlord> The email thread in the bug report stops in Oct 2007 with a message from David Reiser, the GnuCash/fink maintainer
10:13:33 <warlord> So... if all you want/need is gnucash it sounds like you could just build it from the pangocairo-branch
10:14:09 <Sound> what e-mail thread? my bug submission dates two days ago
10:17:03 <warlord> The e-mail thread in comment #5
10:17:15 <warlord> This bug was fixed in gtk years ago.
10:17:26 <warlord> There's nothing GnuCash can do to work around the GTK bug.
10:28:35 <Sound> warlord: I guess there's one thing: updating the wiki about Fink installation ;-)
10:28:44 <warlord> Go for it.
10:37:34 *** Sound has quit IRC
10:56:06 *** Demitar has joined #gnucash
11:39:25 *** warlord is now known as warlord-afk
12:37:22 <psb777> Warlord: Ubuntu Hardy has these versions:
12:37:35 <psb777> gtk2-engines/hardy uptodate 1:2.14.1-0ubuntu1
12:37:36 <psb777> gtk2-engines-murrine/hardy uptodate 0.53.1-1ubuntu1
12:37:36 <psb777> gtk2-engines-pixbuf/hardy uptodate 2.12.9-3ubuntu2
12:37:36 <psb777> gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks/hardy uptodate 0.9.12-11
12:37:36 <psb777> gtkhtml3.14/hardy uptodate 3.18.1-0ubuntu1
12:59:09 *** Jannick has joined #gnucash
13:00:16 <Jannick> Hi everybody. Today I am looking for the XML-tree of GC.
13:01:03 <Jannick> Is it correct that it substantially changed up to now? And where can I find the old and the new version?
13:01:36 <Jannick> I think the new one is the "prologue" of the GC file. Right? But where to find the old structure?
13:02:13 <Jannick> I need that for updating some perl file. I mean I am going to try - and we'll see.
13:02:22 <Jannick> Any ideas? :-)
13:05:50 *** XiXaQ has quit IRC
13:12:05 *** XiXaQ has joined #GnuCash
13:40:46 *** _gunni_ has joined #gnucash
13:49:42 *** |gunni| has quit IRC
13:57:10 *** warlord-afk is now known as warlord
13:57:16 <warlord> Jannick: I have no clue what you're asking for.
13:57:38 <warlord> psb777: well, that's modern enough. I'm afraid I dont know the answer.
13:58:47 <Jannick> warlord: Hi, the GC file has a XML structure. Right? (Hope I am using the correct vocabulary.)
14:00:14 <Jannick> I think this structure must have been changed. This might be the reason why a lot of programs available in the internet do not work any more.
14:00:50 <warlord> There is no normative "XML Schema".. And for the most part, no, the XML format hasn't changed significantly in many versions.
14:00:57 <warlord> There have been minor changes over time.
14:01:33 <Jannick> Minor changes like changing of the name of "variables"?
14:03:37 <Jannick> The thing is that I can read the GC files with EXCEL2003 which guesses a XML schema. And this works. I can parse all transactions, process them and send them to my tax accountant to make him happy. ;)
14:05:48 <Jannick> just some minutes ago someone said in the mailing list that she gives up writing a program (separation of split transactions) since she hasnt moved to a more recent version of GC yet. So it is not worth while spending time for programming.
14:18:37 <warlord> Huh? What do you mean?
14:18:59 <warlord> She's just confused.
14:19:11 <warlord> The only difference between 2.0.x and 2.2.x is the schema for SXes.
14:23:24 *** bgalbrecht has joined #gnucash
14:26:46 <bgalbrecht> I've built gnucash 2.2.5 with postgresql support on freebsd 7, but when I try to save it with postgres://orca/gnucash (orca is the name of the remote server), it pops up the error: Error getting information for '/home/bruce/gnucash/postgres:/orca': No such file or directory. Any ideas?
14:28:23 <warlord> The PG backend isn't supported, and hasn't been since.... 2.0
14:28:29 <warlord> (or maybe even 1.8)
14:32:37 <bgalbrecht> so all the mentions of PG/sqlite/mysql is through the GDA backend?
14:32:45 <bgalbrecht> (in the mailing list)
14:34:21 <bgalbrecht> I guess I ought to see if I've built it with gda
15:00:50 <warlord> You didn't.
15:00:55 <warlord> GDA isn't in any release yet.
15:01:00 <warlord> It's not even on trunk.
15:08:54 <bgalbrecht> so I see
15:09:31 *** |McLANE| has joined #gnucash
15:10:47 <Jannick> warlord: Do you think that it is possible to parse the GC file like a XML file? I know I am insisting, but I would like to have some program run ...
15:17:06 <warlord> of course you can. the data file IS XML
15:17:16 <warlord> Any XML parser can read it.
15:17:21 <warlord> The question, of course, is UNDERSTANDING it.
15:17:29 <warlord> Also, you need to make sure it's not compressed.
15:25:15 <Jannick> warlord: Ok, understanding is exactly the point. Is there some doc on the XML structure? And how did it change with the versions? Certainly the GCfile must not be compressed to parse it.
15:25:34 <warlord> Like I said, the only thing that changes was SX
15:25:38 <warlord> er, changed
15:25:46 <warlord> You still trying to debug that perl code?
15:26:33 <warlord> No, there is no normative doc on the XML structure, because it's not MEANT to be parsed outside GnuCash... We don't guarantee it will remain stable, even though we strive for stability
15:50:27 <Jannick> Yep, working on that - and I am not Einstein in programming and stuff like that. :-( What I would like is to print my invoices out of GC in a customizable (does this word exist?) way , since I am still working in EXCEL and in GC. This is really getting on my nerves. Parsing the information in the GC file is good for my invoice issue and for havong a proper interface to the accounting...
15:50:28 <Jannick> ...software of my tax accountant. Export here / import there. If this is not going to work, my bookings will be done one more time by him - and this will cost: my time using GC and his time, i.e. MY MONEY. :-( Am running a small business.
15:51:19 <warlord> Depends on your level of customizable.
15:52:13 <warlord> In many ways it's much easier to just write an invoice report directly in Gnucash's scheme language.
16:06:17 <warlord> anyways, gotta run again
16:06:19 *** warlord is now known as warlord-afk
16:24:24 <Jannick> warlord: Ok then, I have terribly many things in stock. I will come back with some program which should give printable invoices straight from GC.
16:24:52 *** Jannick has quit IRC
16:26:31 *** cortana has quit IRC
16:27:37 *** romkyns has quit IRC
16:42:01 *** glatapoui has joined #gnucash
17:26:42 *** puck has joined #gnucash
17:56:32 *** kielein has quit IRC
18:04:38 *** kling0n has quit IRC
18:47:03 <psb777> warlord: My installation of GC is, as you have seen, vanilla and modern. Can I ask you print an Account Register landscape to PDF file? You will see that the font selection in preferences has no effect and that the report is printed portrait.
18:50:52 *** _gunni_ has quit IRC
19:28:46 *** psb777 has left #gnucash
20:43:43 *** fell has joined #gnucash
20:52:32 *** cortana has joined #gnucash
21:37:04 *** cortana has quit IRC
21:39:43 *** warlord-afk is now known as warlord
21:51:12 *** bgalbrecht has quit IRC
22:02:10 *** _McLANE_ has joined #gnucash
22:11:02 *** |McLANE| has quit IRC
22:14:03 *** Raig has joined #gnucash
22:14:07 <Raig> gnucash
22:14:48 *** denis has joined #gnucash
22:14:48 *** denis has left #gnucash
22:23:53 *** Raig has quit IRC
22:59:22 *** |McLANE| has joined #gnucash
23:08:54 *** bgalbrecht has joined #gnucash
23:08:56 *** _McLANE_ has quit IRC
23:09:25 *** jcreigh has joined #gnucash
23:56:36 *** warlord is now known as warlord-afk
23:59:17 *** |McLANE| has quit IRC