2008-04-02 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:14:42 <jwise> hey guys... i was hoping this would be fixed in 2.2.4, but I'm still having the problem. i try printing a fancy invoice and get a report error and gnucash crashes. windows vista, gnucash 2.2.4
00:14:55 <warlord> Backtrace?
00:15:31 <warlord> what's the problem. (we can't fix it if it does't get reported)
00:17:20 <warlord> (I'm heading to bed soon so you'd better answer quick, jwise, if you want my help tonight)
00:19:39 <jwise> sorry... i'm working on the trace
00:19:57 <warlord> The scheme backtrace would be printed in /tmp/gnucash.trace
00:20:01 <jwise> at first it looked like 483796, but i don't think that's it
00:20:02 <warlord> ... or on the terminal
00:21:34 <warlord> Yeah, that bug was fixed in 2.2.2
00:22:09 <jwise> i'll pull some details and get back here tomorrow. my laptop's about to expire anyway. have a great night!
00:23:12 <warlord> okay.
00:23:13 <warlord> night
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09:08:55 <Dave_is_sexy> Hi guys. It it possible to create analysis charts by month rather than by year?
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09:12:07 <warlord> depends on the chart. in most reports you can set the start and end date.
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09:33:20 <Dave_is_sexy> warlord: I seem to be a bit stuck in finding the settings. What would be most ideal would be a chart plotting time against expense, with individually coloured lines for each type of expense, but I'm thinking that's not built-in or exportable?
09:35:56 <warlord> I dont think that's exportable.
09:36:58 <warlord> Did you try to "Report Options"?
09:37:02 <Dave_is_sexy> warlord: so what would be a good way for me to see where my money is going each week or month?
09:38:33 <warlord> Depends what level of reporting you need/want. Like the Expense Chart?
09:39:00 <Dave_is_sexy> Warlord: Hmm. Can't see Report Options.
09:39:22 <warlord> Look closer -- it's on the toolbar.
09:39:28 <jsled> And in the menus
09:40:52 <Dave_is_sexy> It's not on mine (2.2.3)
09:41:08 <warlord> Dave_is_sexy: Yes it is.
09:41:37 <jsled> It's the second toolbar button from the right.
09:41:43 <jsled> And {Edit > Report Options}
09:41:46 <warlord> it's been there forever.
09:41:57 <jsled> (while viewing a report)
09:42:01 <Dave_is_sexy> Oh!
09:42:28 <jsled> It sounds like Expenses Barchart is closest to what you want. It has a "week" step size.
09:43:34 <Dave_is_sexy> jsled: yeah it's spot on :)
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09:44:57 <Dave_is_sexy> The only issue is that I have to have a 'spending of money' expense to reconcile 'cash in wallet' without screwing up the balance of things (net 0), so that comes up as a massive chunk of bar chart, but I guess I could date it way in the future
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09:57:51 <warlord> Or better yet keep track of what you actually spend cash on.
09:58:03 <warlord> (you dont want to date it in the future)
09:58:21 <warlord> What this is telling you is that you're spending lots of cash without keeping track of what you're spending it on, and that IS useful information.
09:58:33 <warlord> (you can choose to ignore that accountin the report -- also via the options)
10:06:21 <Dave_is_sexy> Oh cool :)
10:06:50 <Dave_is_sexy> Yeah it'd be nice to keep track of, I just haven't got that organised yet with receipts and bothering to type them all in
10:09:45 <warlord> I just enter it in when I get home at night.. Sometimes I miss something so I do have a periodic "misc expense"
10:12:23 <Dave_is_sexy> Yeah I ought to do that. I also have a massive back-log to 'guess'. Like I know I spent about X on Y for period Z for a few things, but not exact figures
10:13:40 <warlord> I usually just guess when I can't remember
10:14:41 <Dave_is_sexy> Cool :). Starting now then
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10:15:58 <warlord> :)
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13:58:16 <fell> Hi, editing account names is part of gui?
13:59:57 <warlord> of course
14:02:24 <fell> last nite on the german list, I watched, you can enter names containing ":", but it is also the delimiter ;-)
14:03:12 <fell> later, at least in the bussines pay invoice the account will not be found
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14:25:40 <warlord> yes.. it lets you shoot yourself in the foot.
14:26:00 <warlord> You could also change the delimiter.
14:26:27 <warlord> So... what's it supposed to do? Outlaw all those possible delimiter characters? Go through all your accounts every time you change it?
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14:30:24 <fell> there are at least 2 alternatives: a) check the input for reserved chars and deny or quote them;
14:32:23 <fell> b) while, everything else seems to work on the broken name, find and fix the different behavior in payment processing
14:32:36 <warlord> It's not just payment processing.
14:32:40 <warlord> It's broken in the register, too.
14:32:54 <warlord> It's broken anywhere you get a "name" and try to compute the account from it.
14:34:42 <fell> but couriuosly, you can make normal bookings without errors ...
14:36:05 <fell> but I think, the clean way, is to check account name editing and block or possible quote, the reserved char[s].
14:44:58 <warlord> I disagree with blocking characters. Especially those that AREN"T the seperator. For example, '/' is one. I dont want to disallow (OR require quoting) of a slash when a colon (:) is my separator.
14:45:12 <warlord> On the other hand, you're right, it does give people problems.
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14:45:35 <warlord> But you're wrong about the regular booking. I've verified theproblem when tracking down issues inthe SKR04 account tree.
14:45:57 <warlord> (i.e, the regular register fails too. it's not just the business code)
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14:51:49 <fell> What's about pop up a warning "you should not use special characters like :, /...(I don't know all), to avoid later confusion. [Abort] [Continue at your own risk]
14:56:25 <warlord> I dont like it, but e.send in a patch
14:56:36 <warlord> er... I dont like it, but send in a patch.
14:58:48 <fell> I will now only file a bug, because there are some adjustments waiting for me in SKR04, wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/De/, ...
14:59:13 <warlord> ok.
14:59:31 <warlord> There's a point where you just have to let stupid users hurt themselves.
14:59:59 <warlord> Although honestly I thought we DID have code in there to deal with this when searching for account by name.
15:00:53 <fell> hm , I fear, I made the mistake some years ago and now they are running in it.
15:01:33 <fell> And there possible are more idiiots like me outside ;-)
15:03:06 <Simon> presumably it's ok internally, so all it needs to do is escape the current separator when displaying it and handle that when trying to find an account?
15:03:58 <warlord> fell: yes, I know you caused it.
15:04:39 <warlord> Simon: it depends how people are having issues. I thought the xaccGetAccountByFullName() dealt with this issue, but it's possible that a bug was re-introduced at some point.
15:21:41 <fell> Bug 525821 Submitted
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15:55:02 <malebria> Hello, is there a way to configure the transaction report to show subtotals for each account including the totals for its sons accounts?
15:59:24 <malebria> I want just to make a relatory of the totals of the transactions of a month, including in each acount the total of its subaccounts..
16:01:38 <warlord> malebria: I think so. Did you look in the report options?
16:02:32 <malebria> warlord: I couldn't find in the transaction report an option for including the totals of the subaccounts in each account total.
16:02:37 <malebria> warlord: that's the only thing missing.
16:07:09 <warlord> Could be.
16:07:50 <malebria> warlord: so you think there's no way to do this?
16:09:26 <warlord> Well, anything is possible if you're willing to write a little scheme.
16:09:46 <warlord> Why exactly do you need subtotals in subaccounts?
16:10:01 <warlord> (maybe I'm not clear exactly what kind of report you're trying to create)
16:11:10 <malebria> warlord: I tried to take a look in the transaction report source code, but I think it'll not be so easy. I need them cause I split each account in a lot of small acounts, so the totals from the small ones are quite uselees. The whole point is to see the total from the each root account.
16:11:44 <warlord> Are you sure that "transaction report" is really what you want?
16:12:59 <malebria> warlord: not at all, I just want a report that shows the total of each account in a specific period, with the total of all subaacounts.
16:13:42 <warlord> for Income/Expense or Asset/Liability?
16:13:55 <warlord> Try PnL or Balance Sheet
16:15:17 <malebria> Income/Expense
16:16:03 <malebria> warlord: what's PnL?
16:17:25 <malebria> warlord: Balance Sheet is not for a determined period.
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16:19:45 <warlord> Profit & LOss
16:20:12 <warlord> True, but why do you need to see a period.. Unless..... You want the Cash Flow?
16:26:26 <malebria> warlord: I want to know how much I spent..
16:26:42 <warlord> Right. Try a Cash Flow report.
16:26:45 <malebria> warlord: And I have an account for each thing I spend my money, like School...
16:26:51 <warlord> (although it might not give you what you need, either)
16:27:01 <warlord> Actually, if you want to know how much you SPENT... That's a P&L report.
16:27:29 <warlord> Right, Expenses:Tuition, Expenses:Books, Expenses:Tools, etc...
16:29:36 <malebria> P&L report?
16:29:40 <malebria> Where's this?
16:32:56 <malebria> Income Statement.
16:33:18 <warlord> Yes
16:36:14 <malebria> I just can't make it change from zero..
16:36:31 <malebria> I've tried a lot of options and it's just $0.00
16:37:19 <malebria> Can it be because my accounts are not from expenses?
16:37:25 <malebria> They're all normal accounts.
16:39:51 <warlord> What do you mean "normal accounts"? Income and Expenses are just as normal an account as a Bank or CC.
16:40:21 <warlord> have you read the gnucash concepts & tutorial?
16:40:59 <malebria> I goti t!
16:41:12 <malebria> They're all bank accounts.
16:41:28 <malebria> I've change them to expenses accounts, now it worked.
16:44:21 <malebria> warlord: thanks a lot!
16:44:28 <malebria> I'll read the concepts & tutorial
16:44:36 <warlord> ok
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16:55:43 <fell> warlord: FYI, the symptom was reported - without finding the cause - , before I touched SKR04: https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-de/2006-July/thread.html#4133
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23:34:06 <Schwern> Is there a way to select and edit more than one transaction? I want to set the "Tranfer" field on a whole bunch.
23:34:10 <Schwern> Transfer, that is.
23:34:51 <Schwern> Alternatively, is there any way to set up rules like "when the description matches 'Rent' set transfer to 'Expenses:Personal:Home"?