2008-03-13 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:45:47 <katewill> on the problem of being stuck with quicken6 datafiles that can't be imported into gnucash...
00:46:22 <katewill> ..obtained quicken6 for dos (thanks ebay) on floppies and got it to partly install...
00:47:11 <katewill> only to learn that it creates datafiles with four _different_ extensions than quicken6 for windows ?!? ...
00:47:32 <katewill> so have not been able to import my data there and then export it as qif ...
00:47:43 <katewill> this is just if anyone's interested.
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01:00:42 <ryan> hi, what is the proper way to record this scenerio
01:00:56 <ryan> i spent 800 on a laptop for my dad
01:01:10 <ryan> he transferreed the cash into my account 1 month later
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01:01:58 <ryan> , so initial tx is a computer expense, the other tx is a income:reimbursed expense ?
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01:02:49 <ryan> the 2 tx's dont reconcile in that case though...against each other...im wondering what the "proper" way is?
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01:34:07 <warlord> ryan: um, I'd record the second as a negative of the 1st.
01:37:31 <zarchne> katewill: thanks for the update. You clearly have a great deal of integrity an patience.
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01:49:03 <ryan> thanks
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05:08:16 <erpo> Hi.
05:08:16 <gncbot> erpo: Sent 1 week, 1 day, 20 hours, and 24 minutes ago: <warlord> I have no idea if QB will do the right thing with that or not.
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05:09:01 <erpo> A while ago I came in here and asked about transferring data back and forth between Quickbooks. Someone told me that it was possible to move data from Gnucash to Quickbooks but not the other way around.
05:09:50 <erpo> Well, I just found out that Quickbooks can export to Excel or CSV files, so it sounds like two way data movement is possible.
05:09:58 <erpo> Just thought I'd let the channel know.
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09:22:26 <katewill> zarchne: ... or ... foolishness? anyone want a set of media and books for Quicken6 for dos?
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09:30:21 <samana> There is a French IRC gnucash?
09:32:10 <jsled> I don't believe so.
09:37:02 <samana> ok
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10:56:45 <twunder> andi5, warlord: book closing using Head takes a little over 3 seconds with my data file :)
10:59:13 <warlord> twunder: ahh, excellent. So andi5's fix fixed it for you?
11:07:48 <andi5> twunder: what did it take before?
11:10:28 <twunder> andi5: I believe it's in one of the mails sent to the devel list... I'll check
11:11:16 <twunder> "It takes almost 15 seconds on my datafile where the dialog showed a pressed-in [OK] button and no activity"
11:11:55 <andi5> but i have not applied the two patches yet, have i?
11:12:10 <twunder> dunno
11:12:17 <andi5> nope, i have not :)
11:12:28 <warlord> Huh. So I wonder why it's faster now?
11:12:51 <twunder> beats me
11:14:40 <twunder> I'm using a copy "built from svn r17026 on 2008-03-11"
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11:15:34 <andi5> weird
11:16:40 <warlord> very weird
11:19:43 <warlord> I'm afraid I must take off now. I'll be back later.
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11:42:53 <zarchne> Is there a bot in the channel?
11:44:55 <jsled> yes.
11:45:01 <jsled> gncbot: ping
11:45:01 <gncbot> pong
11:47:06 <jsled> zarchne: but were you looking for a particular type of bot, or feature, or...?
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12:48:41 <unstable> Is there software(GNUCash?) that I can use to do my tax return(W2) with GNU/Linux?
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14:25:10 <twunder> unstable: I don't think there is software for linux that will do your taxes. GNUCash won't. FWIW I use taxactonline.com, which works with Firefox.
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15:42:22 <unstable> thanks twunder, I appreciate the help
15:42:25 <unstable> I'll use tax act
15:42:32 <unstable> twunder: So Turbotax online doesn't work?
15:43:31 <jsled> what do you mean by "doesn't work"?
15:44:18 <jsled> I've used turbotax online in the past; it works fine. But in terms of integration with respect to gnucash ... there isn't any, proper.
15:44:50 <jsled> Of course, you can use your gnucash-recorded data to answer the questions presented to you by any other software.
15:45:10 <unstable> jsled: I mean with GNU/Linux, using firefox
15:45:43 <unstable> he said GNUCash has no tax return stuff, and that he uses taxactonline.com, which works with Firefox. I figured that is implying TurboTax online doesn't work with GNU/Linux+firefox
15:48:20 <jsled> I don't think he meant to imply that at all.
15:49:16 <jsled> I've used both turbotax online and h&r block online without problems on Firefox on linux.
15:49:42 <jsled> And in years past, where firefox was't nearly as accepted/widespread.
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15:58:41 * twunder has never tried TurboTax online and likes to avoid using Intuit products
16:12:51 <unstable> ok, taxact it is
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18:36:19 <Backslash> hi
18:36:29 <Backslash> again here
18:36:48 <Backslash> i started translate gnucash help in italian
18:37:18 <Backslash> i translate the xml files with a simple text editor
18:37:57 <Backslash> but it was useful for me to see the page with all its features
18:38:06 <Backslash> such as images tbles etc...
18:38:15 <Backslash> *tables
18:38:23 <Backslash> how to see in this way?
18:38:50 <Backslash> no with browser, don't work so
18:39:07 <warlord> I think you can just point yelp at it.
18:39:15 <Backslash> yelp?
18:39:19 <warlord> I dont think there's an editor that will work in place.
18:39:57 <Backslash> ok found yelp
18:40:08 <Backslash> now i digit
18:40:24 <Backslash> yelp file_name.xml ?
18:40:55 <warlord> I think so.
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18:41:39 <Backslash> don't work
18:41:40 <Backslash> he requested URI "Help_ch_GUIMenus.xml" is invalid
18:41:53 <Backslash> i'm in the right directory
18:43:08 <warlord> You might need to say "file://..." or something like that.
18:43:20 <warlord> or ghelp://
18:43:23 <warlord> I forget.
18:43:30 <warlord> You also might need to supply the full path.
18:43:34 <warlord> again, i'm not sure.
18:43:37 <warlord> I've never done it.
18:43:44 <Backslash> try
18:45:26 <Backslash> yesss it works thx a lot
18:45:32 <warlord> You're welcome
18:45:36 <Backslash> the right one was
18:45:53 <Backslash> yelp file://
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19:02:01 <andrewsw> hey warlord, any thoughts on my signal handling ideas?
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19:02:28 <warlord> No objections from me
19:02:34 <warlord> Although...
19:02:45 <warlord> you dont need it from the GetQuotes "main"
19:02:52 <warlord> only the regular main
19:03:01 <warlord> the get-quotes code branch is always short-lived.
19:05:15 <andrewsw> okay, that makes sense.
19:05:51 <andrewsw> I was actually thinking of setting signal handlers after a file is actually opened, though I don't know why they couldn't be handled right from the start.
19:06:06 <warlord> No reason to wait.
19:06:16 <warlord> might as well set them early
19:06:21 <andrewsw> yeah. goody. I get to learn something new ;)
19:06:25 <warlord> :)
19:06:46 <warlord> Could even, maybe, add a signal handler for something like SIGUSR1 that would perform a regular save. ;)
19:07:10 <andrewsw> It actually looks to be ridiculously straightforward based on what I see in gnc-file.c
19:07:15 <andrewsw> ooh, good idea.
19:08:26 <warlord> It probably is easy.
19:08:31 <andrewsw> I'm concerned about what signals windows sends, but am thinking I can probably trust glibc
19:08:56 <warlord> heh
19:14:43 <andrewsw> hmmm... maybe SIGHUP should be included as well for that last guy who uses X over the network.
19:15:05 <warlord> Heheh
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20:05:17 <Backslash> bye
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20:53:56 <andrewsw> as I read some of this file handling code, it appears to me that in order to force a file save to an "emergency file" I need to execute
20:54:02 <andrewsw> a bunch of qof stuff ala:
20:56:49 <andrewsw> new_session = qof_new_session();
20:58:26 <andrewsw> qof_begin_session(new_session, emergency_file, FALSE, FALSE);
20:58:45 <andrewsw> qof_session_swap_data(session, new_session);
20:58:57 <andrewsw> ...
20:59:27 <andrewsw> gnc_set_current_session(new_session);
20:59:53 <andrewsw> gnc_file_save();
21:00:11 <andrewsw> to essentially create a copy of the current session with a new file name and then save it.
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21:00:34 <andrewsw> (all ripped from gnc_file_save_as();
21:00:38 <andrewsw> )
21:00:48 * andrewsw wants a paren balancing bot
21:00:56 <andrewsw> gncbot: balance parens
21:00:56 <gncbot> andrewsw: Error: "balance" is not a valid command.
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21:10:05 <andrewsw> that may be too much stuff to get through a save-as-emergency file in the time between "asking all processes to terminate" and "killing all processes"...
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