2008-03-08 GnuCash IRC logs

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01:46:22 <foo> hm, do I need to manually go back to all transaction and changed them from "n" to "c" for R column? c for cleared... or is that more for my purpose? eg. if I leave things at n would hurt anything?
01:47:08 <foo> eh, well, I'm going over everything again, I guess it can't hurt to check it.
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02:44:36 <foo> Hm, and how can I control the order of transactions done on the same day? eg. I have a paypal account, and I add money on a day to then pay to someone else... but it's backwards, so it shows negative then positive
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05:47:31 <freakynl> meta-ask? :D, can i change the starting balance of an account later on?
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07:04:50 <freakynl> hi i missed some payments (monthly payments (automatic)) and just got notified now (missed them over a year ago). should i make a seperate account for that? otherwise reports and such might not be accurate right?
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07:52:52 <warlord> freakynl: yes, you can change the starting balance. It's just a regular txn.
07:54:43 <warlord> what do you mean by missed some payments? You missed recording them? Or you missed paying them?
07:57:35 <warlord> foo: the ordering is described in the docs.
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09:07:25 <freakynl> missed paying them, i'm really lousy at keeping up with payments and stuff, so i have most of them automatic (the other party withdraws them from my account). they missed some over a year ago, noted it only recently and now sent me the bill. i'm just starting with gnucash today
09:22:18 <jsled> Why would they be a separate account?
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09:39:51 <freakynl> i don't know if they have to, if i book them on the same account won't that give a distorted monthly expense pattern in reports and such?
09:41:21 <jsled> Wouldn't you book them with the correct date?
09:41:43 <jsled> If they're really outside of the "scope" of your books, then don't account for them.
09:41:44 <freakynl> would be kind of hard i suppose, as i'm starting out today
09:42:00 <jsled> Ah. So the first transaction in your books is from today, as well?
09:42:08 <freakynl> yea correct
09:42:20 <jsled> Or are you backfilling to some point (2008-01-01, I presume)
09:42:21 <jsled> ah.
09:42:31 <jsled> Yeah, then don't record them at all.
09:42:33 <freakynl> no not back filling, would that be useful?
09:42:43 <jsled> Depends on what you're after.
09:43:06 <jsled> It's useful to backfill if you want to answer questions about how much you spent/&c. in calendar year 2008.
09:43:19 <freakynl> i need insights in my monthly expenses
09:44:06 <freakynl> well i want that, but it's quite hard to figure out what starting balances i need then. that's also the problem now with those bills. i entered todays back accounts (saldo? don't know english word), so if i pay them i should deduct the money from the account
09:44:35 <freakynl> can i just enter all data, starting today, end this year on 31-12-2008 and start the new one on 1-1-2009 or is that going to give issues?
09:44:43 <jsled> no, that's fine.
09:44:51 <jsled> Any way you want to do it is fine, really.
09:45:40 <freakynl> what would you advise? i'd like the reports to be as acurate as possible (concerning normal monthly spendings)
09:46:06 <freakynl> as currently i'm having the feeling around 500 euros vaporizes every month :)
09:47:15 <jsled> Well, if you don't want to wait, and have the statements/data to enter, you could go back as far as you like to figure out how money's been spent over the last number of months.
09:47:38 <jsled> I mean, generally, you'll only be able to analyse what you've entered in to the system.
09:47:50 <jsled> So, entering more data make more you can anaylze.
09:48:34 <jsled> I've tried to enter data both for calendar months and account statement periods (often starting mid-month).
09:48:43 <jsled> Either way works, really; it's just an arbitrary date.
09:49:06 <jsled> As for the starting balance, just make the balance correct as of that date, then enter the transactions that post only after that date.
09:49:31 <jsled> (or on-and-after that date, depending on what time of day the balance is reflected.)
09:49:41 <freakynl> yea i get that, but to analyze that i have to go years back probably and i don't have all that data
09:50:14 <jsled> right.
09:55:01 <freakynl> thx for the advice
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10:04:31 <warlord> which means you wont be able to analyze it all until you have enough data to analyze.
10:05:01 <warlord> BUt... if the money is coming out of your account AFTER you start your accounting then you have to record it.
10:05:21 <warlord> It's still a credit to your Checking account, even if the bill was supposed to be paid a year ago.
10:05:25 <freakynl> yea i know, i'm not expecting quick results
10:05:43 <freakynl> my new house is due in 6-8 months, by that time i need some insights (drastically :))
10:06:37 <freakynl> it's more the reports/analysis i'm worried about if i book it in the same account as normally. then again, i have no experience with accounting whatsoever, probably just need to book it and see what happens :)
10:06:58 <warlord> Well, it's still a cash flow.
10:07:31 <warlord> I suppose you could book it to Expenses:Foo:Missed Payments instead of Ex:Foo, but I see little reason to do that.
10:07:44 <warlord> Yes, it'll be a glitch in your reports, but the glitch IS real.
10:08:49 <freakynl> hehe if you know ways of making my bank account believe differently, i'd like to know em :P
10:09:55 <warlord> Heh
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12:05:07 <andi5> jsled: ping
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13:52:55 <bookishboy> Hi, I am a brand-new gnucash user, and I foolishly skipped past the initial setup druid. Is there some way to re-activate the initial setup druid? I tried an uninstall/reinstall, but when I start the program it now just goes to a blank page. (I'm also new to IRC, so apologies for any lapses in etiquette or terminology)
13:54:46 <andi5> what operating system?
13:55:21 <bookishboy> Operating system is WinXP.... I believe it's the WinXP Home Edition
13:56:01 <andi5> ok... are you comfortable with your command line interface (cmd.exe)?
13:56:19 <bookishboy> Yes, as long as someone else is doing the navigating :)
13:56:52 <andi5> then open it and cd into $prefix\bin, where prefix probably is C:\Program Files\gnucash
13:57:02 <andi5> then issue "gconftool-2 -u /apps/gnucash/dialogs/new_user/first_startup"
13:57:45 <andi5> but maybe that is neither enough nor what you want
13:57:58 <bookishboy> One moment, attempting this...
13:58:04 <andi5> you may have better luck with...
13:58:34 <andi5> file > new >new accounts page , then file > new > new account hierarchy
14:00:11 <bookishboy> andi5, that did exactly what I was hoping. :) Thanks much for the assistance.
14:00:24 <andi5> sorry for misguiding you first :)
14:00:36 <bookishboy> No problem at all. Have a great day.
14:00:42 <andi5> see you!
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16:36:54 <DerColonel> hi there
16:45:47 <DerColonel> I'm new to GnuCash (using it with winXP SP2) and i like it. Sadly, there are two bugs(?) which are annoying..
16:45:52 <DerColonel> 1st: cpu load is alway 100% when GC runs. System: Athlon XP 2400+ with 512 MB (Notebook)
16:46:52 <DerColonel> 2nd: when printing, the print is mirrored. This is the case with my Canon Pixma 4000 and when printing to PDFCreator. Printpreview in GC ist normal.
16:47:08 <andi5> #2 is well-known (see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows)
16:47:32 <andi5> #1 i have never heard about and it certainly does not run at 100%cpu here all the time (when i actually boot windows ;-))
16:48:44 <andi5> you could use process explorer to find a stack trace when it is running :)
16:49:47 <DerColonel> ok. thanks. i'll downloading it then
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16:56:18 <DerColonel> well, running ProcessExplorer. Just started GC with no file opened, just blank grey main screen. Process is ~95% CPU
16:56:30 <DerColonel> an above
16:57:05 <andi5> may you pastebin (http://pastebin.ca) a stack then, just for me? :)
16:59:02 <DerColonel> sure :) just how i get this stack?
16:59:30 <andi5> double click the process---on one of the tabs, there is a button called "Stack" :-D
17:00:20 <DerColonel> tab "thread" seems so. ok
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17:01:45 <DerColonel> here it goes: http://pastebin.ca/934498 :)
17:04:07 <andi5> strange... anything in the trace files? (see the link above)
17:05:14 <DerColonel> you mean there? c:\Documents and Settings\myname\Local Settings\Temp\gnucash.trace.ABCDEF
17:05:36 <andi5> right
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17:07:40 <DerColonel> hell yes! to files, one 332 the other 804 MB!!
17:07:51 <andi5> ouch
17:08:02 <DerColonel> right
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17:08:26 <andi5> how long are you running gnucash already and which one? (804 or 332)
17:09:49 <Brandon> how do I make my budget "report" look nicer? and is there any way to make it prorate... like if my budget for an account for a month is $200, after a half of a month it will know i should have spent less than $100 to be on track?
17:09:55 <DerColonel> quitted it just a couple of minutes ago. round about 5 minutes was ist running - 804 (used this for stack too)
17:10:23 <DerColonel> and no file was open
17:10:34 <andi5> was it usable at all?
17:11:15 <DerColonel> yes, but my notebook fan almost lifted off... :-(
17:12:19 <andi5> does the same happen with version 2.2.3?
17:12:50 <andi5> and: what is in those trace files? do you know how to obtain a few files?
17:12:51 <DerColonel> 2.2.4 was the first version on this notebook, so i cannot say
17:13:03 <andi5> replace last "files" by "lines"
17:14:02 <DerColonel> oops. started notepad++.... no good idea i think...
17:14:15 <andi5> hehe
17:15:00 <DerColonel> so what's the trick? :)
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17:17:18 <andi5> well... i do not know "the trick", but here is what i would do: install msys (http://downloads.sourceforge.net/mingw/MSYS-1.0.10.exe?modtime=1079444447&big_mirror=1), open msys and enter 'tail 50 "/c/Documents and Settings/myname/Local Settings/Temp/gnucash.trace.ABCDEF"' then
17:17:42 <andi5> i mean -50 ...
17:18:41 <DerColonel> sounds like a good trick to me :) ok im trying.....
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17:26:29 <DerColonel> * WARN <GLib> gmain.c:440: MsgWaitForMultipleObjects() failed: Das Handle ist ungültig.
17:26:55 <DerColonel> all the way down to 50
17:27:11 <andi5> yep... that is what i expected
17:27:26 <DerColonel> hey, so I'm good eh? ;)
17:28:04 <andi5> it would be interesting to know the untranslated string... could you please try to insert LANG=C into bin\gnucash.bat (any line before the last) and retry?
17:28:13 <andi5> ah... well
17:28:17 <andi5> will not help =(
17:29:11 <andi5> "the handle is invalid"
17:29:39 <andi5> http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2007-September/021699.html
17:29:41 <DerColonel> that is how i would translate it yes
17:30:14 <andi5> do you have perl in your PATH?
17:31:28 <DerColonel> yes. c:perl\bin
17:31:55 <andi5> would you mind commenting it out (rename to perlbak.exe
17:32:51 <andi5> then:what version/distribution of perl?
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17:34:53 <Brandon> ok, i'll try a different question
17:35:12 <Brandon> is there a way to see a report of future balances?
17:35:13 <DerColonel> renamed it. ActivePerl 5.8.8 Build 822
17:35:24 <Brandon> projected balances, based on scheduled transactions
17:36:01 <andi6> there is a feature called budgets, but unfortunately i still do not know what is does ;-)
17:36:17 <andi6> accompanied by a budget report
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17:41:52 <Brandon> is there a way to see project future balances based on scheduled transactions?
17:42:23 <andi6> did not you ask this 6 minutes ago? :-D
17:42:42 <Brandon> yes i did
17:42:53 <andi6> ah, i see
17:43:18 <DerColonel> andi5, with perl.exe renamend i started GC and there is no cpu load this time!
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17:43:26 <andi6> aha!
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17:44:10 <andi5> so i assume that when you name it back, it starts pegging again?
17:44:27 <DerColonel> lets try it...
17:45:02 <andi5> and: any perls in process explorer?
17:47:46 <DerColonel> no perls in PE, but on start, there opens a per-command line windows for 2 seconds. yes, cpu load back there!
17:47:57 <andi5> i see
17:48:07 <andi5> have you tried the "install fq-modules" start menu item?
17:48:26 <DerColonel> what?
17:49:29 <andi5> start > programme > gnucash > online kursabruf installieren
17:49:51 <DerColonel> no. shall I?
17:49:55 <andi5> yep
17:52:12 <DerColonel> system is busy :)
17:53:42 <DerColonel> Installation succeeded
17:56:35 <DerColonel> one more try?
17:56:44 <andi5> yes
17:57:01 <andi5> i am considering my code, but cannot find the error yet
17:58:49 <DerColonel> well, you're on a good trackl - no more cpu load now :)
17:59:09 <andi5> eek
17:59:13 <andi5> what the heck
17:59:19 <andi5> do you have some spare time?:)
17:59:47 <andi5> i need your help =)
18:00:08 <DerColonel> going to bed in a few minutes... how can i help?
18:02:51 <andi5> well, fire up ppm and uninstall a few modules, in the order i give you and with a retry after each module: Finance-Quote, Crypt-SSLeay, DateManip .... i have no clue whether that changes anything though... you could also try to uninstall perl completely, erase c:\perl, install it again and follow the steps in the batch script one by one.... whatever you see, please write it here, mail gnucash-devel@gnucash.org or me (andi5 . py @ gmx . net)
18:03:21 <andi5> actually, i guess to bot is so stupid not to detect my mail address ;-)
18:03:26 <andi5> s,to,no,
18:03:56 <andi5> as you know this channel is logged, so i will find your answer :)
18:08:32 <DerColonel> - Finance-Quote -> still no cpu load
18:10:32 <DerColonel> -Crypt-SSLeay -> load is back again!
18:11:20 <DerColonel> shall I stop now?
18:11:21 <andi5> very interesting!
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18:11:34 <andi5> well, you could try to install crypt-ssleay again :-D
18:12:31 <DerColonel> no problem. how can i do this?
18:12:59 <andi5> search for the module in ppm and mark it for installation, then proceed... i do not know more details (not @ windows, as usual)
18:13:22 <andi5> or is it missing in the list?
18:14:13 <DerColonel> sadly it is yes
18:14:15 <andi5> you could also execute "echo anything | perl -x -S ppm install http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca/ppms/Crypt-SSLeay.ppd" in a console window"
18:15:07 <andi5> oh, please cd into your C:\Programme\gnucash\bin folder first please
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18:18:15 <DerColonel> done. now i'm starting GC...
18:19:28 <DerColonel> heureka! no cpu load
18:19:45 <andi5> oook
18:19:55 <DerColonel> seems to be this package
18:19:55 <andi5> you are allowed to go to bed now ;-)
18:20:00 <andi5> yes, kind of
18:20:10 <andi5> will try to play with it tomorrow
18:20:24 <andi5> you have done a lot to help resolving this one!
18:20:24 <DerColonel> oh thanks :) glad to help you! good night then :)
18:20:33 <andi5> gute n8
18:20:36 <DerColonel> fine!
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