2008-03-06 GnuCash IRC logs

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04:55:15 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Hi, I've been making the move from MS Money to gnucash :)
04:56:56 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> I have a due boot system, WinXP and Debian. I've setup gnucash in Windows, but would also like to use gnucash in Debian ..... is it possible to share the gnucash file(s) to allow me to update my accounts etc from both OS's?
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05:55:51 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> is anyone active in here at the moment?
06:01:49 <cortilap> define active ;)
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06:02:15 <cortilap> if you have a question, it is usually better to ask it immediately and then wait for a response :)
06:05:40 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> I did ask ..... but I have never used IRC before and didn't know if the question will remain seen by everyone
06:07:57 <cortilap> i lot of people on irc 'idle' most of the time -- but they will see what has been said in this channel when they check their IRC programs
06:08:19 <cortilap> so it is usual to ask a question and then wait for someone who knows the answer to read it and respond
06:08:59 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Am I able to log off my computer and pick up a response later?
06:11:03 <cortilap> not really. if you want to do that then it is best to use the mailing lists
06:11:45 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> ok, thanks
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06:39:55 <Xilon> Hi. I've been reading through the documentation but I still don't quite inderstand the double entry system. In order to, say, log my income, would I have to have a credit in my Income account and a debit in my bank account?
06:40:07 <Xilon> So the income account will always have a negative balance (this part doesn't make sense to me)?
06:47:43 <cortilap> well, your income is a transfer from income:work to assets:bankaccount
06:48:04 <cortilap> so depending on how you look at things, you could consider income:work to have a negative balance
06:48:33 <cortilap> if you look in your preferences, you'll find an option that is turned on by default -- it makes accounts like liability and income have their balances reversed
06:56:20 <Xilon> I get it now, thanks
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07:03:09 <warlord> Nathan_Watson-Haigh: Yes, it'll be seen once we wake up. You asked at 4:55am US/EST and most of us work in the US.
07:03:38 <warlord> Nathan_Watson-Haigh: yes, you can share the data file.
07:04:18 <warlord> Xilon: "Income" and "Expense" are "magic"..
07:04:29 <warlord> They are magic "source" and "sink" accounts.
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07:06:36 <warlord> Nathan_Watson-Haigh: PLEASE DO NOT PM WITHOUT ASKING FIRST.
07:06:59 <warlord> Nathan_Watson-Haigh: Please respond here.
07:07:28 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> I've tried and I get an error when trying to open the file in Linux - Could it be due to running different versions? :)
07:08:00 <warlord> Maybe. IF you have 2.0 on debian then yes, it could be the version. BUT.. Debian has 2.2.3 available.
07:10:10 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Yes, I've got the 2.0.5 installed from the debian repo - I'll see about updating
07:10:47 <warlord> Right, if you have any SXes then the file isn't compatible.
07:12:08 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> what's SXes?
07:13:09 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Where can I get the 2.2.3 for Debian? Is it available as a backport?
07:13:21 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> for Debian Etch?
07:13:43 <warlord> I dont know if it's available as a backport. I know it's in unstable. I have no idea what version "Etch" means. I don't do debian.
07:13:57 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Etch = the current stable
07:14:23 <warlord> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_.22SX.22_thing_I_see_on_the_lists_and_IRC_periodically.3F
07:14:35 <warlord> I have no idea if there's a backport.
07:15:08 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> I'll see if I can get it to install from source - if it does, it's worth trying to get a backport done so it can be installed through a package manager
07:27:49 <warlord> that should be possible.. The deps from 2.0 to 2.2 didn't change significantly. I THINK it went from gtk-2.4 to gtk-2.6
07:31:15 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> hmm, the configure isn't picking up my libgoffice
07:36:05 <warlord> Do you have the -dev package?
07:36:11 <warlord> Did you run 'apt-get build-dep gnucash' ?
07:39:01 <cortilap> Nathan_Watson-Haigh, you should grab the debian package of 2.2.3 and build it
07:39:10 <cortilap> dpkg will take care of all the hard bits
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07:41:18 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> I have it installed, but gnucash configure is not finding it
07:42:11 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> How do I do that? I'm on etch (stable) and don't want a mixed system
07:42:28 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> If it's possible to get a backport, that would be fine for me
07:48:59 <cortilap> Nathan_Watson-Haigh, the easiest way is to build te package of 2.2.3
07:49:08 <cortilap> you won't end up with a mixed system
07:49:31 <cortilap> in fact, it's the cleanest way to proceed because you won't end up with gnucash installed manually in /usr/local ...
07:49:39 <cortilap> i can help you with that if you want :)
07:50:49 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> How do I install the 2.2.3 deb package when I'm running Debian Etch? The package is defined with version of dependencies not installed on Etch.
07:51:18 <cortilap> only because it was built on unstable
07:51:37 <cortilap> you can build your own 2.2.3 deb with the source package in testing and it will install just fine
07:52:34 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Ok, how do I do this?
07:52:53 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> BTW, Etch is stable
07:53:31 <cortilap> first is to install a few things we will need: dpkg-dev and devscripts
07:54:04 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> done
07:54:37 <cortilap> then we need to get the source package that we'll build, from http://packages.debian.org/src:gnucash lists them all
07:54:47 <cortilap> devscripts gives us a nice program, 'dget', that you can run like: dget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnucash/gnucash_2.2.3-2.dsc
07:54:52 <cortilap> that will download the source package
07:55:26 <cortilap> then you extract it with: dpkg-source -x gnucash_2.2.3-2.dsc
07:55:31 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> nice :)
07:55:41 <cortilap> then cd into the newly created gnucash-2.2.3 directory, and run dpkg-checkbuilddeps
07:55:49 <cortilap> that will give you a list of packages you need to install in order to build gnucash
07:56:36 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> OK, I get: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgsf-gnome-1-dev (>= 1.12.2) libgoffice-0-dev imagemagick libofx-dev ofx
07:56:41 <cortilap> ok not too many
07:56:44 <cortilap> install those packages
07:57:06 <cortilap> (you can actually run 'apt-get build-dep gnucash' to do it automatically, but only if you first add a deb-src line for lenny to your sources.list )
07:57:40 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> just a moment, as I install these
07:58:21 <cortilap> you will also need to install build-essential and fakeroot
07:59:23 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> apt-get install libgoffice-0-dev
07:59:24 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Reading package lists... Done
07:59:24 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Building dependency tree... Done
07:59:24 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> E: Couldn't find package libgoffice-0-dev
07:59:46 <cortilap> ok, so that package is not available in etch
08:00:23 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> there's a libgoffice-1-dev
08:00:31 <cortilap> how strange
08:00:34 <cortilap> install that instead
08:00:50 <cortilap> and edit debian/control's build-depends line to contain libgoffice-1-dev instead
08:01:02 <cortilap> i see this is mentioned in debian/changelog, version 2.2.2-1
08:01:48 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> ok, all deps installed and libgoffice-1-dev installed
08:01:56 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> controll file changed
08:02:49 <cortilap> great
08:02:53 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> why did theey version the packeage name with 1-dev instead of 0-dev :)
08:03:01 <cortilap> i am researchign ;)
08:03:11 <cortilap> now run: dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc -rfakeroot
08:03:31 <cortilap> possibly under 'time' and/or 'nice' if you want to see how long it takes and/or want to continue using your computer whiel it builds
08:04:36 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> building .....
08:05:57 <cortilap> this is where you make a cup of tea... or watch 2001
08:06:14 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> what's 2001??
08:06:29 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> I'm in the UK....is that a US show?
08:06:39 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> brb
08:06:45 <cortilap> 2001: a space oddessy
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08:08:11 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Oh :)
08:08:25 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> I'll go make lunch :)
08:08:46 <cortilap> even better
08:13:13 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> ok, completed
08:16:03 <cortilap> that was bloody quick!
08:16:11 <cortilap> ok if you look in .. you should see some .deb files
08:16:17 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> yep
08:16:21 <cortilap> you can install them with: dpkg --install gnucash_whatever.deb
08:16:32 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> has this also built the docs?
08:17:02 <cortilap> if gnucas-docs are built from the gnucash source package
08:19:28 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Yeah!!! :)
08:19:47 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> I seem to be missing an icon from the applications menu
08:20:27 <cortilap> that is a bug in the current package, yes
08:20:39 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Ah, ok
08:20:48 <cortilap> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=444950
08:21:08 <cortilap> if you fix your gnucash.desktop then you can run dpkg-buildpackage again and it will build a fixed package
08:21:09 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Do you intend to make a deb file available for Etch via the sourceforge site?
08:21:12 <cortilap> it won't have to rebuild the whole thing
08:21:24 <jsled> No, it's up to debian to package their software.
08:21:43 <cortilap> it would be nice if someone would upload a backport
08:22:09 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> could these deb files I've just built, be used for a backport?
08:26:45 <cortilap> yes, what you have done is 99% of the task of backporting something
08:27:11 <cortilap> but i don't know what te rules are that detemine who is allowed to upload to backports.org -- i suspect you have to be a debian developer to do it
08:27:24 <cortilap> but it's usual for users to post on the backports mailing list with requests for backports
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08:50:26 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> cortilap: Thanks so much for your help, I followed what was said in the bug report, rebuilt and installed, and it all works fine now - THANKS! I've also put in a request on the backports list to see if someone can make an official backport deb. I included info about the changes I made regarding libgoffice-0-dev needing to be changed and info about the bug. Hopefully, someone can spend a small amount of time to make an offi
08:50:40 <jsled> you got cut off at "an offi".
08:51:21 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> where - that appeared more than once in the paragraph :)
08:51:28 <cortilap> Nathan_Watson-Haigh, thanks for posting to the list!
08:51:34 <jsled> "amount of time to make an offi"
08:51:44 <cortilap> you may also wish to CC the maintainer of te gnucash package
08:51:50 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Hopefully, someone can spend a small amount of time to make an official backport
08:52:23 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> can you give directions to te gnucash - I'm new to gnucash :)
08:53:51 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Ah, just realised "te" was a typo for "the" :) I'll e-mail them
08:55:50 <Nathan_Watson-Haigh> Done! my good deed for the day
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09:02:56 <warlord> thank you, Nathan_Watson-Haigh ... glad it's working for you
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13:25:28 <RassBariaw> can anyone help with Activeperl on Windows?
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20:28:12 <YellowSub42> Is there some repository of user-contributed custom reports for gnucash? I'm not yet ready to learn scheme and make my own reports.
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21:42:17 <warlord> YellowSub42: Nope. All "custom" reports that we know of have been included in the releases.
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