2008-02-13 GnuCash IRC logs
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07:25:40 <IanL> hi all,
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09:06:47 <olsen> warlord-afk, when you get back, please give me a hint on how to make my books balance
09:07:32 <olsen> what should i look for in the docs? do You really think I should read the entire manual till i find something useful or should i use it just for reference which would require som search phrases?
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10:10:43 <warlord> olsen: Maybe in the "Multiple Currencies" chapter?
10:10:49 <warlord> I'd suggest: http://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/guide/currency_invest1.html#currency_invest13
10:11:01 <warlord> " Selling a currency investment "
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15:20:58 <WayneH> Hello?
15:23:33 <foo> Yes?
15:23:57 <WayneH> I was wondering if I could ask a gnucash question related to Billing Terms?
15:24:16 <foo> Go for it
15:24:21 <foo> Never ask to ask, just ask :)
15:24:26 <WayneH> :)
15:24:31 <WayneH> What is Proxio?
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15:26:01 <WayneH> Excuse me, Proximo
15:26:50 <foo> hm, I've never heard of that
15:27:02 <WayneH> it is one of the Billing Term types
15:27:12 <WayneH> but can't seem to find any explanation in the docs for it?
15:28:17 <WayneH> also, with the Billing Terms type days, you can set a discount but I can't see where the discount gets applied?
15:29:07 <warlord> None of the terms actually do anything. They were put in the UI only for future expansion, to get them into the data file for future use.
15:29:26 <WayneH> ok
15:30:28 <WayneH> thanks for the information
15:30:49 <warlord> As for Proximo... I need to remember what it means.
15:32:07 <WayneH> the parameters are due day, cutoff day, discount %, discount day
15:33:36 <warlord> Ah, right. So you can say something like "due the 10th of the month".. Or "due the last day of the month"..
15:33:51 <WayneH> ohhhh
15:33:55 <WayneH> okay
15:34:03 <WayneH> but for future development?
15:34:07 <warlord> And it will figure out if it's due the next month, or maybe even the month after that.
15:34:21 <warlord> Well, it'll currently be used to compute the Due Date.
15:34:28 <WayneH> okay
15:34:30 <warlord> But the discount stuff is all for future development.
15:34:37 <WayneH> that's cool
15:35:16 <WayneH> thanks alot for the info
15:35:20 <warlord> You're welcome.
15:35:29 <warlord> (I had to go look at the code to remind myself what it did)
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15:46:17 <kmak> Hi all. Is there any method for specifying a starting invoice number in GnuCash 2.2.x ?? I would like my invoices to start at number 2000, for example. Thanks in advance
15:46:21 <andi5> trying to get some votes for bug #114591 and playing with www.pastehere.com, check out http://pastebin.ca/raw/902886 :-D
15:50:23 <warlord> kmak: This should be in the FAQ but it's not. There's no way in the UI to do it, but you can hand-edit your XML file to set the starting number in the gncInvoice counter.
15:56:50 <kmak> warlord: Thanks for the reply. Where is this XML file?? I read that GnuCash storing data in XML was deprecated -- is this wrong? Thanks again.
15:58:25 <jsled> yes, that is wrong.
15:58:32 <jsled> The XML file is your datafie.
15:58:36 <jsled> datafile, even.
15:58:46 <jsled> Its path/name should be listed in the titlebar.
15:59:12 <jsled> Note that it might be compressed, so if you try to open it an it looks like garbage, that's probably the case.
16:01:26 <kmak> jsled: Thanks. I see... Is there a way to uncompress/alter/recompress the datafile or should I give up on this?
16:01:40 <jsled> gunzip file
16:01:54 <kmak> thanks -- i'll give it a try
16:02:36 <jsled> Or, if you're not comfortable with that, open the file; Edit > Preferences > … > Compression=false; File > Save. Then close gnucash and open the dataifle.
16:05:19 <kmak> jsled: Thank you so much
16:06:36 <warlord> Maybe this should go into the FAQ? ;)
16:08:44 <kmak> Definitely! And since there is no UI, it should point the user to Edit->Preferences->General->Files->Compress Files option and then explain to change the "gncInvoice" parameter to the desired value.
16:09:18 <kmak> Probably still tough for a newb who's never opened an XML file
16:10:03 <kmak> thanks again guys -- i owe you a beer!
16:10:06 <warlord> Use your favorite text editor
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17:48:13 <tomas_> good day
17:49:43 <tomas_> was thinking if anyone has had the same bug as me
17:50:06 <tomas_> when I moved and expense account , the account I move the transactions from, turned to income account :O
17:58:03 <warlord> I dont understand, tomas_ --- could you explain what you've done in more detail, please?
17:59:30 <tomas_> sure thing
18:00:20 <tomas_> what I did, I had 2 accounts "account> subaccount1 >account1" and another one just the same but called account2, I moved them both into subaccount1
18:00:26 <tomas_> cause I though it was to much
18:01:04 <tomas_> but when I did that, subaccount1 changed to income account(in the reports and etc.) but appears in al settings to be expense account
18:01:14 <tomas_> It messes with my reports
18:07:26 <warlord> Just to make sure I understand.. You started with account:subaccount1:account1, and account:subaccount1:account2 ?
18:07:48 <tomas_> exctly
18:08:00 <tomas_> made some transactions to those accounts :)
18:08:04 <warlord> Okay, so what do you mean by "moved them both into subaccount1"?
18:08:32 <tomas_> I deleted it , and it askes where it should but the transactions , so I said to account:subaccount1
18:08:37 <warlord> Those two accounts were already children of subaccount1.
18:08:45 <warlord> Ah. Ok.
18:09:02 <warlord> That wont change the account type of subaccount1.
18:09:15 <warlord> maybe it was already an Income account?
18:09:30 <warlord> Let's step back... what version of gnucash are you using?
18:10:13 <tomas_> no, the reports were okey, but now al of the sudden just subaccount1 is showing there as income account
18:10:17 <tomas_> Gnucash version 2.2.1
18:10:32 <warlord> Hmm. Well 2.2.3 is current.
18:10:59 <warlord> But I dont believe that there's anything that would change the account type of subaccount1. Are you sure it wasn't an Income account before?
18:11:09 <warlord> You CAN have Expense accounts under Income accounts.
18:11:39 <tomas_> hmm, gonna double check, but 2.2.3 is current? that's strange, I was just checking for updates cause of that
18:11:47 <jsled> what distro?
18:12:01 <tomas_> ubuntu gushy 7.1
18:12:50 <jsled> Er. Gutsy 7.10?
18:13:02 <tomas_> gutsy yes :P
18:13:03 <tomas_> whoops
18:13:39 <jsled> That's too bad that they don't seem to have a more recent version except in Hardy.
18:15:42 <tomas_> aye, it's no good
18:17:52 <tomas_> well I just found out how I could fix this
18:18:10 <tomas_> just by deleting the account , and taking the grand total on the account and make one transaction
18:18:18 <tomas_> will fix it for me with out too much fuzzz
18:19:52 <warlord> Hmm...
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18:27:20 <jsled> You could also probably just change the Account type to Expense...
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18:29:42 <tomas__> sorry power went out :)
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18:31:28 <warlord> Oops, hate when that happens.
18:32:02 <tomas__> yeah and now gnucash is showing me some strange numbers, I did save when I had done al this work
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18:40:59 <contents> I've got a somewhat difficult accounts setup problem here.
18:41:40 <warlord> tomas_: define "strange numbers"?
18:42:00 <contents> Warlord helped me out with this the other day, but there's a new complication that I can't wrap my head around.
18:42:23 <contents> I am trying to manage the treasury for a housing coop in which there are several renters. Following warlord's advice, I set up each renter as an asset account. To represent the rent bill, I have made a scheduled transfer from the renter accounts to an A/R account, which leaves each renter with a negative balance until the renter pays (transfer from an Income account). I will then transfer from the A/R to my savings account.
18:43:06 <contents> That seems to work so far. Does it look right so far?
18:43:10 <tomas_> warlord: one of the account has got too much on it , but everything else appears to be right :S
18:43:22 <warlord> contents: you dont use A/R
18:43:37 <warlord> Each Renter account *IS* your A/R account (for that renter).
18:43:58 <warlord> So, you'd transfer from Income:Rent -> Assets:Renters:RenterX when you bill them..
18:44:06 <warlord> And then A:R:RX -> A:Checking when they pay you.
18:44:22 <warlord> tomas_: well, maybe there's extra transactions with all your moving stuff around?
18:45:52 <tomas_> I think there is, but I can't figure out where, I think I fucked this one up quite nicely
18:46:13 <warlord> Sounds like it. :(
18:48:07 <contents> Ok, thanks warlord. Let me try that out. I haven't gotten to the really thorny problem yet, though (though your clarification might take care of it)
18:49:04 <warlord> ok
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18:59:13 <contents> Ok, I think I've got it, warlord. So the renter account will be positive when the renter owes me money. That's what was confusing me. So the renter account should be thought of as a positive number that the renter owes. So I could call the A:R:RX something like "Joe's Rent Bill". Is that right?
19:00:04 <warlord> Yes.
19:00:17 <warlord> (An Asset is, by definition, "money owed to you")
19:00:29 <warlord> or, rather... something that you can convert into cash-in-hand.
19:00:44 <warlord> (an IOU, a brick of gold, etc)
19:03:08 <contents> OK, got it. I think that clears everything up. Thanks so much! It seems so silly to get tripped up on this positive negative business, but it's more complicated than it looks. Thanks again for your help.
19:03:26 <warlord> You're welcome.
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