2008-02-05 GnuCash IRC logs

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06:36:37 <IanL> 'evening
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08:30:14 <piyo> hi i'm having jpn font problems on Windows
08:30:34 <piyo> gnucash shows the japanese correctly on one computer but not another
08:31:26 <piyo> the problem is in the actual data, not the menu or ui
08:32:06 <piyo> in fact jpn display worked on this computer with gc2.0.0 (?)
08:32:36 <piyo> but when I upgraded to 2.2.1.,2, or .3 the problem appeared.
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08:34:36 <warlord> maybe you're missing fonts?
08:34:55 <piyo> yes, how can i check that
08:35:37 <piyo> the japanese characters show up as that gnome 0 0 0 0 box thing
08:35:52 <warlord> I dunno.
08:35:56 <warlord> I know nothing about windows and fonts.
08:36:06 <piyo> i assume its a gnome problem...?
08:38:02 <warlord> I dunno
08:38:33 <piyo> i have a picture, how can I show it...
08:41:01 <piyo> ok, here's a picture:
08:41:04 <piyo> http://piyokun.googlepages.com/gnucash-2.2.3-jpn_as_0000.png
08:43:40 <warlord> Could be GTK. Could be fonts.
08:43:46 <warlord> I'm afraid I really don't know.
08:43:54 <warlord> maybe andi5 can help?
08:43:56 <warlord> @op benoitg
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08:44:04 <warlord> @op andrewsw-afk
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08:47:45 <piyo> whoa ...
08:47:56 <cortilap> i don't think it's fonts
08:48:14 <cortilap> the 0 0 0 0 are supposed to indicate which unicode character the font does not have a glyph for
08:48:16 <piyo> i think I "solved" the problem, by following the suggestion at http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#Font_problems
08:48:42 <piyo> the symptom description doesn't explain the gtk 0 0 0 0 box character thing
08:48:47 <cortilap> aye
08:48:58 <piyo> I can now read japanese content, yah
08:48:59 <andi5> ack
08:49:21 <IanL> hey piyo
08:49:22 <piyo> I'll edit that wiki
08:49:32 <piyo> hey ianl... ?
08:50:28 <IanL> I'm guessing you're the same piyo from nihongo on freenode
08:50:58 <IanL> just saying hi,
08:51:07 <piyo> hi!
08:51:23 <IanL> we talked about gnucash there one time I think,
08:51:50 <piyo> i'm still using gnucash!
08:51:55 <piyo> ^_^
08:51:55 <IanL> good :)
08:52:05 <piyo> but I'm not using irc much
08:52:09 <piyo> :-/
08:52:14 <IanL> yah,
08:53:39 <piyo> regarding this problem, is there anyway to set the font in GnuCash without reseting the "Message Box" font in the Windows XP theme?
08:54:25 <piyo> BTW, the problem occured because I was using Microsoft Sans Serif 8.
08:54:50 <IanL> hmm,
08:55:06 <IanL> I couldn't really say, I haven't given the windows version a go yet,
08:56:12 <piyo> Then again, my "Message Box" font is totally out of sync with the rest of the theme, so it's good to revert it to Tacoma (the fix).
08:56:16 <piyo> :-)
08:58:32 <IanL> yah,
08:59:07 <IanL> I need to check out the windows build now that I actually have a windows installation,
08:59:36 <piyo> 2.2.3 looks great
08:59:40 <piyo> kudos
08:59:54 <piyo> I started with 2.2.0 and it was...
09:00:05 <piyo> like WireShark in the old days.
09:00:11 <piyo> :-)
09:08:33 <piyo> Question: can I make my own "currency" to track? I want to track Xbox Live Points, but right now I'm reusing "Sliver (XAC)" in the interim.
09:12:47 <warlord> no. currencies are all built-in.
09:13:22 <piyo> ok
09:13:38 <piyo> I just have to make sure I don't buy Silver in the future.
09:13:43 <piyo> :-)
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09:17:00 <warlord> heh
09:26:53 <piyo> Another visual problem: Entries in an Asset account using "Silver (XAG)" have trailing zeros, even though I set the Account's "Smallest fraction" setting to 1 (whole number)
09:27:03 <piyo> it looks like this: http://piyokun.googlepages.com/gnucash-2.2.3-xag_trailing_zeros.png
09:27:43 <piyo> the third entry is the desired whole number display, but the rest have the unwanted trailing zeros
09:28:54 <piyo> also I entered entries 1 2 and 4 in this account, but entry 3 in my native JPY default currency (with the appropriate exchange rate)
09:30:59 <warlord> not sure what that means..
09:31:40 <piyo> the currency i want to track does not have decimal values
09:32:58 <warlord> Yes, I know that.
09:33:06 <piyo> oh ok
09:33:15 <piyo> which part do you not understand?
09:33:17 <warlord> It's the native currency thing I dont understand
09:33:42 <piyo> oh
09:33:51 <piyo> i have an account which is tracked in JPY
09:34:34 <piyo> i entered that third entry in that account, with the sub-transaction pointing to the XAG account
09:34:56 <piyo> when i did that, GnuCash asked me what the exchange rate was from JPY to XAG
09:35:21 <piyo> I entered it, confirmed the transaction, and navigated to the XAG-based account.
09:35:30 <piyo> I saw the entry as a whole number, just as I expected
09:36:08 <piyo> Then I entered entries 1,2,4, with sub-transactions pointing back to another JPY-based account
09:36:29 <piyo> however, when I confirmed the entries, they showed up as xxxx.0000000
09:36:47 <piyo> maybe "native" is unneeded here
09:36:49 <warlord> Probably depends on which register you use to enter the txn
09:37:03 <piyo> yeah it looks like it
09:38:24 <piyo> all those zeros make me feel like I'm rolling in the dough, then I see the period ".". :-/
09:39:13 <warlord> There's lots of register bugs. This could be one of them.
09:39:49 <piyo> ok. the math looks alright, so it's not a big deal to me.
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09:48:59 <warlord> ok
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09:58:15 <twunder> is there an easy way to count the number of accounts/transactions in my data file?
10:00:58 <warlord> zcat file | grep ... ;)
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10:15:53 <twunder> are 329 accounts and 9483 transactions a lot?
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10:20:20 <doss> is that for a business?
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10:27:50 <Dotis> hello
10:28:06 <Dotis> anyone can help for custom reports?
10:28:16 <jsled> perhaps. what would you like to know?
10:28:37 <Dotis> how can i see the hello world
10:28:41 <Dotis> report
10:29:52 <jsled> Dotis: have you read <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports>?
10:30:57 <Dotis> yes
10:31:08 <Dotis> but still can't make it work
10:31:13 <Dotis> windows machine
10:31:37 <jsled> When you say "how can i see the hello world", do you mean see the contents of the report .scm file, or the output of running the report?
10:32:27 <Dotis> i want to understand how it works , and then to try to make a custom report
10:33:25 <jsled> Okay. <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports#Example_Reports> will tell you where the hello-world.scm file is. You should open it up, and go through it to see what it does and how it works. It will probably help to run the report in gnucash at the same time, and correlate things you see in the report to things you see in the source.
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10:35:55 <Dotis> this is the point
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10:36:24 <Dotis> i rty to open hello-world from gnucash but it gives me error
10:36:48 <Dotis> i can see from notepad , but not "in work"
10:37:01 <jsled> How are you trying to open it? What is the error?
10:37:09 <Dotis> is in greek
10:37:17 <Dotis> from gnu cash
10:37:28 <Dotis> open - hello-world
10:37:34 <jsled> File > Open?
10:37:43 <Dotis> file open
10:37:52 <jsled> No. Reports are run through the Reports menu.
10:38:34 <Dotis> there is no hello world report in my reports
10:39:14 <Dotis> ooppps
10:39:16 <Dotis> wait
10:39:20 <Dotis> i find now
10:39:45 <Dotis> but is not the trnslation from hello world in greek
10:39:48 <Dotis> !!!!!
10:40:42 <Dotis> is there somewhere custom reports , to choose ?????
10:42:16 <warlord> I've got 444 accounts but only 2254 txns
10:43:47 <warlord> Dotis: What do you mean? When you create a new report it will live in the Reports menu under the name you assign. It'll only be translated if the string has a proper translation in the po-file.
10:44:00 <warlord> twunder: that last one about acct/txns counts was for you.
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10:44:48 <warlord> It's POSSIBLE that the GetBalanceAsOfDate() is O(n) in txns. But 10k txns shouldn't take very long...
10:45:11 <Dotis> no , i mean if there is some custom reports from users of gnucash , wich i can see and use or change to fit to my bussiness
10:46:00 <jsled> There's no separate "custom reports" menu of contributed reports. If they were contributed, then they're not really "custom" ... they're just placed into the appropriate menu.
10:46:50 <Dotis> ok , i ll give a try to make a custom report
10:47:20 <twunder> warlord: nonetheless, it takes ~15 seconds for the book closing process to complete for me, during which the OK button is displayed as pressed in.
10:48:05 <warlord> what kind of machine? CPU? RAM?
10:51:41 <twunder> warlord: reasonably current Athlon (CPU0: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ stepping 02) with 2GB RAM
10:51:53 <warlord> Huh. Interesting.
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10:52:50 <warlord> I wonder why it takes so long for you but not for me, unless the algo is based on #txns somehow.
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11:42:42 <Jannick> Where is the automatic tax-split for invoices coded?
11:43:50 <Jannick> I am using the WinXP-version, so it should be in somewhere in the installation folder I suppose.
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11:58:15 <warlord> It's compiled in.
11:59:07 <Jannick> Oupps, does that mean that it is not easily visible?
12:07:18 <warlord> Ummmm... Define "easily"? It's in the source code.
12:07:27 <warlord> Changing it requires recompiling.
12:07:30 <warlord> What are you trying to do?
12:09:37 <Jannick> I am watching out for the lines in which the automatic tax split is done for accounted invoices. My yesterday's question was about automatic tax splits for online transactions. I thought I could have a look at that to see
12:10:06 <Jannick> whether it is "easy" to amend GC or not. Ambitious, I know! ;)
12:14:12 <warlord> The code is all in src/business/business-core
12:14:20 <warlord> Some of it is in gncEntry.c
12:14:23 <warlord> some in gncInvoice.c
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12:22:20 <Jannick> Hmm, thanks. I rushed through it, but this doesnt help me. I think someone else should be found to do it. :-(
12:22:57 <Jannick> Too bad, because this feature is really needed to let GC be more accepted.
12:24:06 <Jannick> I mean here in Germany as pointed out yesterday. This is one of the biggest issues why people refuse to check whether it could be useful for them or not.
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12:35:31 * warlord shrugs
12:35:42 <warlord> Adding it would be a medium-sized project.
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12:43:36 <Jannick> Hmm, that is not too surprising for me. IF a project is set up, then one could implement automatic tax splits if accounts with special attributes are booked.
12:44:31 <Jannick> If so then I suspect that online transactions can be handled like manually entered transactions.
12:45:20 <Jannick> Perhaps it could be useful to put that on the list ...
12:45:56 <alexv> hi, I have a beginner's question on business accounting. I have just started as independent consultant and I want to create invoice to my client with my travel expenses (tickets, meals, hotels etc). What is the proper way to enter the expenses into GC and create invoice? Thanks
12:46:28 <Jannick> I have found http://www.mail-archive.com/gnucash-devel@gnucash.org/msg16719.html
12:47:09 <Jannick> So it might be on the "wish list" already.
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12:49:16 <warlord> alexv: Create an Employee Expense Voucher for the charges, and set the customer as the chargeback.. Then make sure each item is marked for chargeback in the voucher.. Then attach them to the invoice.
12:51:27 <alexv> warlord: Thank you! Does it mean I have to enter myself as an employee?
12:52:16 <warlord> yes
12:56:22 <alexv> warlord: I am sorry for my ignorance but when creating new employee what does 'credit account' checkbox mean? I couldn't find it in Help
12:57:29 <warlord> The account to use when posting "Employee Credit Card" transactions.
12:57:40 <warlord> (as opposed to "Cash" transactions).
12:57:50 <warlord> This all implies you have a company credit card for your employee.
12:59:13 <alexv> ah, I AM my company and I just use my personal credit card to pay for the expenses
12:59:59 <warlord> If the company isn't sending a payment to the CC then you can ignore that field.
13:01:59 <alexv> ok, thanks, I try that. Does it mean I have to create new Voucher every time I travel?
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13:06:33 <edgy> hi, I used to have an assets -> cash account where I used to put my cash beside a libilities -> credit card account where I record money deducted from my credit card. Now being a newbie to accounting I am not sure how to print a report where I see all the transactions in one place so I can tell what money I have now whether on the bank or on my wallet, should I just merge the cash and the credit card account to make things easier? may be warlord has explained
13:06:33 <edgy> this to me before but I really cannot remember sorry
13:08:35 <warlord> alexv: yes
13:09:34 <warlord> edgy: what do you mean "all the transactions in one place"? You could run a Transaction report.
13:10:05 <warlord> As for money in the bank or wallet -- just collapse your Assets tree and you'll see the sum total of Assets:Bank and Assets:Cash in Wallet
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13:14:20 <edgy> warlord: I just tried the transaction report and its very similar to what I really want but the grant total is blank, should one do the math manually?
13:17:13 <warlord> Check the report options.
13:17:19 <warlord> (I dont know offhand)
13:19:36 <edgy> warlord: in your pc, the transaction report prints the grand total?
13:20:20 <warlord> Yes
13:21:14 <edgy> warlord: in the options I have "Totals" checked in the "display" tab
13:21:51 <warlord> I didn't have to change any of the default options.
13:22:59 <edgy> warlord: my version is 2.2.1 may be I need to upgrade?
13:26:48 <warlord> I'm running from trunk.. I see a few changesets for the transaction report. r16680 and r16875. MAYBE the former?
13:29:42 <alexv> warlord:I am done entering the expenses to my first voucher and I hit Post button. Now I see them listed in Invoice window (I probably opened an empty invoice window earlier). Now I see that Total is 0 for the invoice. My guess I have to mark all the items as Invoiced? When I try it says I need income account and offers Income:Reimbursed Expensed. should I leave that?
13:30:54 <warlord> Yes
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13:33:15 <xai> Are there any notes or docs when converting accounts from 2.0.x to 2.2.X ?
13:38:07 <jsled> The Release Notes.
13:38:21 <jsled> xai: are you looking for something in particular?
13:40:23 <xai> jsled: im on debian etch with 2.0.5-1 GC.. I get some crashes when I try to access a customer report when GC opens on the Receivable Aging reports page. I'm thinking of moving from etch to testing to get the newest version of GC to avoid this.
13:40:53 <xai> I coundn't find a bug exactly like this in the debian pages..
13:49:41 <edgy> warlord: I am facing problems with dependencies which may set me back from upgrading now, for now I can do the math manually but the transaction report prints each transaction twice, how can I print it only once, please?
13:50:38 <warlord> What do you mean, prints it twice?
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13:52:07 <BF> hi - i'm new to gnucash (v. 2.2.1).
13:52:47 <BF> I'm having some problems setting up the automated stockprice and currency exchange rates, despite following the instructions.
13:53:07 <edgy> warlord: I believe because this is a double entry system, it's printing it once as positive and another as negative so it's telling me this transaction is income in one and where it's deposit in the other line
13:53:40 <warlord> edgy: reset the accounts to only print those that you're interested in.
13:53:57 <warlord> BF: OS/Distro?
13:54:14 <BF> warlord: ubuntu 7.10
13:54:24 <edgy> warlord: ah!
13:55:22 <gerg> Good evening gnucash, was wondering: I have two sets of accounts each has there own seperate file, I would very much like to have all these accounts together in one file, but the only way that I can do this seems to be to have to reenter, by hand, all the transactions from one account into the new one. Is there a way of importing gnucash accounts/transactions from one file to another?
13:55:46 <BF> warlord: i tried running echo '(europe "BT-A.L")' | gnc-fq-helper and get:
13:55:46 <BF> (("BT-A.L" (symbol . "BT-A.L") (gnc:time-no-zone . failed-conversion) (last . 2.5625) (currency . "GBP")))
13:55:47 <BF> so i guess it does work, but when i click the button on the form, it only finds the first stocks and then says that nothing else can be found...
13:55:54 <edgy> BF, I am using this same version, whould you please check whether the grand total is printed when you expand your account tree?
13:56:12 <jsled> gerg: not directly, but you might have success using gnucash-to-qif to convert one of the files to QIF, then importing it into the other.
13:57:18 <jsled> xai: have you checked bugzilla.gnome.org?
13:57:49 <BF> edgy: in the account tree, i see my (two) share holdings, each with the number of shares in the account
13:58:02 <gerg> @jsled - HAHA!!! thank you :-) That ought to do nicely :-)
13:58:02 <gncbot> gerg: Error: "jsled" is not a valid command.
13:58:11 <gerg> jsled - HAHA!!! thank you :-) That ought to do nicely :-)
14:02:04 <BF> edgy: having entered the share prices by hand, it seems to be calculating the total value of stocks correctly
14:02:32 <BF> is there some problem with the gnucash in the ubuntu repository?
14:05:21 <jsled> BF: It kinda works. <http://pastebin.ca/892855> See the "failed-conversion" in the bit you posted?
14:06:33 <alexv> warlord: Thanks for the help with travel expenses. I have one remaining thing to figure out: how to create invoice with my hours spent on the customer. Do I do voucher as well or just new invoice? Is it possible to have separate report with list of hours for each day and then an invoice with total number? Thanks
14:07:39 <warlord> I just enter it directly as Income:Sales, action "Hours"
14:07:44 <warlord> There's no time-keeping.
14:07:49 <warlord> No report to list #hours worked.
14:08:59 <edgy> BF: yes I don't have the grand total, only the subtotals but I don't have stocks, only cash and credit cards
14:09:43 <alexv> warlord: you mean directly to new invoice without creating a voucher?
14:10:59 <warlord> alexv: yes
14:11:12 <BF> edgy: OK - thanks for the hint in the pastebin. i ran both stock codes through this and it seems that the program works from the CLI. why then the problem through the GUI?
14:11:52 <BF> edgy: can you give me the CLI interface for looking up a currency conversion - say EUR->GBP, thanks
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14:12:33 <BF> sorry - last two comments for jsled (my first time on irc - please forgive!!)
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14:29:01 <xai> jsled: i'm checking the gnucash bug reports now
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14:32:00 <alexv> is it possible to omit due date when printing an invoice?
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14:39:43 <xai> is it safe to remove ~/.gnucash/config-1.6.auto ?
14:40:37 <jsled> If it's empty, sure.
14:42:28 <xai> hehe.. no its not, but they were 5 years old.
14:44:06 <alexv> warlord: I tried creating new invoice (it autoassigned #4) and it ruined the first invoice (#1)
14:44:31 <alexv> warlord: now the invoice #1 is empty
14:45:06 <warlord> what do you mean "ruined"?
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14:45:51 <alexv> warlord: now the invoice #1 is empty
14:46:27 <warlord> what was in it before?
14:46:37 <alexv> list of expenses
14:48:31 <warlord> expenses on a customer invoice?? huh?
14:48:51 <alexv> I tried to enter hours, created new invoice for the customer. the new invoice was a copy of the first one but with different number. Now I think it wasn;t a copy but a reference to the same data because when I deleted the expenses and entered hours the first invoice went empty
14:49:34 <alexv> not a big deal, there was just a few items but i need to figure out how it works
14:50:17 <warlord> what do you mean 'duplicate'? there's no way to duplicate invoices...
14:50:29 <alexv> curious that the total sum for the first (ruined) invoice still shows in the all accounts where it went
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14:51:42 <alexv> that't what i saw - did Business->customer->new invoice and I was presenter the exact copy of the first invoice but with different number
14:52:13 <halb> Somehow my ability to edit reconciled transactions is gone, does anyone know how to turn it back on? I'm using GnuCash 2.0.5.
14:52:43 <warlord> alexv: maybe you're seeing http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357696 ?
14:54:28 <warlord> halb: you probably canceled the warning but clicked on the 'dont ask me again' checkbox.
14:54:44 <warlord> Click on the "Reset Warnings" menu item
14:56:20 <halb> Sweet, that did it!! Thanks!!
14:57:19 <halb> gnucash rules, BTW. Thanks everyone!
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14:57:33 <alexv> warlord: looks similar but i don't have vendors. My route was new employee voucher->invoice->post then customer->new invoice
14:57:53 <warlord> In this case vendor == employee.
14:58:12 <alexv> the new invoice is exact copy of the old one and if i delete anything, the old invoice is trashed
14:58:25 <warlord> it's not a duplicate.
14:58:41 <alexv> yes it looks like a reference to the same data
14:59:25 <warlord> that's an artifact of the bug.
14:59:50 <alexv> the guy who posted the bugreport said he stopped using GC because of that and the date is in 2006 - how comforting :)
15:01:27 <alexv> i actually saved a copy of the data file after i posted the first invoice, let me quit GC, copy the file back and see what happens
15:04:04 <alexv> well it does exactly the same - every time i do new invoice i see the same records as in the first one but with different invoice number
15:05:52 <alexv> so basically i am unable to create empty invoice :(
15:06:50 <BF> Howdy - I'm back to try to understand something - i can use a command-line perl script that comes with gnucash to get share prices something like this: gnc-fq-dump europe ETL.L; but when i try to use the gnucash interface (PRICE EDITOR) i am told that there is no information for anything except the first stock in the list. v 2.2.1 on ubuntu 7.1
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15:19:58 <warlord> alexv: the invoice is empty.. Note the lack of checkboxes in the "Invoiced" column..
15:20:06 <warlord> (and the lack of a total)
15:20:53 <warlord> BF: The date is broken
15:21:03 <warlord> date: 00/00/2000 <=== required
15:22:37 <BF> warlord: i'm not sure. the error message i get thru gnucash is:"Unable to retrieve quotes for these items:
15:22:38 <BF> EUREX:BT-A.L
15:22:38 <BF> CURRENCY:GBP
15:22:38 <BF> CURRENCY:USD
15:22:38 <BF> Continue using only the good quotes?"
15:23:28 <BF> i presume that when the [Get Quotes] is clicked, gnucash supplies the current date/time, no?
15:23:34 <alexv> warlord: actually they are all checked. but the total is 0
15:24:39 <warlord> no, it does not.
15:24:52 <warlord> alexv: :-/
15:25:04 <warlord> I still think it's just a broken query in the business register.
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15:32:09 <BF> warlord: "no, it does not". - ??was this for me. i really cant figure out what is going wrong here.
15:35:23 <warlord> BF: yes
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15:42:42 <BF> warlord: ok - so how does it work?
15:43:44 <doss> how does what work, warlord?
15:43:50 <doss> sorry
15:44:57 <warlord> BF: it uses the date from the quote.. which in this case is bogus.
15:46:49 <BF> warlord: i just want to know how i set up gnucash to retrieve two share prices from the FTSE and some exchange rates. that's all...
15:50:25 <warlord> Find a working quote source.
15:51:47 <alexv> warlord: i tried creating another customer but when I switch to the old one all the invoices are copies/references to the first one :(
15:52:02 <warlord> THEY ARE NOT COPIES
15:52:13 <warlord> (nor are they references)
15:52:23 <warlord> The items are just (incorrectly) displayed in the register.
15:52:34 <warlord> But they aren't actually attached to the invoice.
15:55:12 <alexv> right, I just tried deleting 2 items from invoice #000008 and WITHOUT POSTING it, went to find and display invoice #000001 which WAS POSTED. so the items disappeared from invoice #000001
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15:55:35 <alexv> I would call it references/pointers :)
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15:58:44 <warlord> What part of "the items are just (incorrectly) displayed" are you failing to understand?
15:58:50 <warlord> The items are attached to invoice #1.
15:59:12 <warlord> They are being improperly displayed when you look at invoice #4, even though they are attached to invoice 1 and NOT attached to invoice 4.
15:59:24 <warlord> However, invoice 4 DOES NOT CONTAIN THOSE ITEMS.
15:59:35 <warlord> So, the INVOICE is not being copied OR referenced.
16:00:45 <warlord> (and yes, I'm being pedantic)
16:01:01 <warlord> ... but that pedancy is important in understanding the bug and working around it.
16:01:26 <warlord> (namely, for now, you can just ignore those items -- when you post invoice 4 they should (hopefully) disappear.
16:02:48 <alexv> ok, i am doing exactly that :)
16:03:09 <alexv> lets see
16:04:21 <warlord> But it IS a bug that you can delete those items..
16:05:51 <warlord> (can you please file a bug report on that?)
16:11:15 <alexv> ok you were right - as soon i posted the new invoice they disappeared and i can only see the one item i entered. the funny thing - if i start yet another invoice i see the items from the first one again - and not the item from the second one
16:12:04 <alexv> can it have anything to do with the fact that the first invoice was created via employee voucher?
16:15:37 <BF> warlord: do you think you can help me with this anomaly?
16:16:15 <warlord> Right.
16:16:26 <warlord> The bug is only about chargebacks
16:16:57 <warlord> BF: nope. I dont control the website giving you bogus date data.
16:17:02 <warlord> Try another quote source.
16:23:08 <BF> ok - so the problem is not gnucash but the site contacted by gnucash? - so why is it accurate when i run that script gnc-fq-dump?
16:23:37 <warlord> It's not. Look at the date.
16:23:53 <warlord> (but yes, the problem is not with gnucash but with your quote source website)
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16:30:13 <BF> ok - can you suggest sources for FTSE (london stock exchange) and general currency...
16:31:11 <warlord> yahoo?
16:31:32 <BF> yahoo was what i was using :-$
16:31:42 <warlord> No, you were using "europe"
16:31:47 <warlord> use "yahoo"
16:31:56 <warlord> gnc-fq-dump yahoo ETL.L
16:31:58 <warlord> Works for me!
16:36:29 <BF> wowzers. now it's working.... i'm 99.999% sure that when i first set it up it was with yahoo. currency still not working though :-(
16:36:49 <BF> warlord thank you for your assistance thus far.
16:37:09 <warlord> Dont know about the currency stuff. Sorry.
16:37:42 <BF> OK well thanx all the same.b you're a gent (or a lady, who can tell over irc!)
16:38:26 <warlord> * bows *
16:38:57 <BF> do you know anyone who might be able to help?
16:39:08 <alexv> warlord: I have just added a comment to the bug, thanks for the help
16:40:04 <warlord> alexv: ok
16:40:09 <warlord> BF: not offhand.
16:40:36 <BF> ok - bye. will revisit some other time and look for help...
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16:45:49 <edgy> warlord: are you still here?
16:46:04 <warlord> yeah
16:46:09 <edgy> warlord: I updated gnucash and now it cannot parse my old file format!
16:46:25 <edgy> "There was an error parsing the file"
16:46:53 <edgy> running from console gives
16:46:56 <edgy> gnc.bin-Message: main: binreloc relocation support was disabled at configure time.
16:46:56 <edgy> : /usr/lib/gnucash/gnucash/libgncmod-generic-import.so: undefined symbol: g_assertion_message_expr
16:48:53 <warlord> the binreloc is ignorable.
16:49:35 <alexv> I am afraid I have another question :) Now I see the expenses (that I enrered via the employee voucher and posted with the first invoice) show in many places: Accounts payabe, Reimbursed Expenses, Travel and Entertainment expences and (part of) Accounts Receivable. Is that righ? What is going to happen when I receive the money from the customer for this invoice?
16:49:59 <warlord> as for the parse error -- did you by chance store your data file in ~/.gnucash ?
16:50:17 <warlord> Yes, that's right.
16:50:25 <warlord> when you receive the payment, process the payment.
16:50:55 <edgy> warlord: no, my data is in it's own directory
16:51:24 <warlord> Anything else printed on the terminal or /tmp/gnucash.trace?
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16:54:07 <edgy> * 00:53:33 WARN <gnc.module> Failed to open module gnucash/import-export/qif-import
16:54:08 <edgy> * 00:53:33 WARN <gnc.module> Failed to open module gnucash/import-export
16:54:08 <edgy> * 00:53:33 WARN <gnc.module> Initialization failed for module gnucash/import-export/log-replay
16:54:19 <edgy> * 00:53:36 CRIT <gnc.io> [gnc_counter_end_handler()] Unknown type: gnc:GncCustomer
16:54:19 <edgy> * 00:53:36 CRIT <gnc.io> [gnc_counter_end_handler()] Unknown type: gnc:GncEmployee
16:54:20 <edgy> * 00:53:36 CRIT <gnc.io> [gnc_counter_end_handler()] Unknown type: gnc:GncBillTerm
16:54:20 <edgy> * 00:53:36 CRIT <gnc.io> [gnc_counter_end_handler()] Unknown type: gnc:GncInvoice
16:54:20 <edgy> * 00:53:36 CRIT <gnc.io> [gnc_counter_end_handler()] Unknown type: gnc:GncEntry
16:54:30 <edgy> * 00:53:36 WARN <gnc.backend.file> Invalid timestamp in data file. Look for a 'trn:date-posted' entry with a date of 1969-12
16:54:31 <edgy> -31 or 1970-01-01.
16:54:37 <edgy> things like these warlord
16:54:54 <warlord> edgy: please use pastebin for more than 2 lines.
16:55:04 <edgy> warlord: sorry for that
16:55:12 <warlord> Looks like your installation is broken and it can't load modules.
16:55:33 <edgy> warlord: can you tell which part of the installation is missing?
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16:56:28 <warlord> Nope.
16:56:53 <warlord> but the <edgy> : /usr/lib/gnucash/gnucash/libgncmod-generic-import.so: undefined symbol: g_assertion_message_expr seems to imply a glib problem
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16:57:41 <alexv> ok I see the process payment menu item, thanks
16:58:31 <warlord> :)
16:58:51 <edgy> warlord: thaaanks a lot man. I installed a new version of libglib2 and now it works! you are a savor
16:59:29 <edgy> I mean saver ;)
16:59:33 <warlord> I know
16:59:36 <warlord> savior?
17:00:17 <edgy> warlord: don't know, which is correct saver or savior?
17:00:48 <warlord> I would use the latter
17:01:06 <edgy> ok thanks for this tip too
17:01:16 <alexv> well, that doesn't stop me from asking more questions :) I see that the data file is not encrypted, is it possible to encrypt it? Also I recollect there existed SQL backend, is it still alive?
17:01:36 <edgy> warlord: are any one paying you to do this? I mean to work in gnucash development and to help people here?
17:02:03 <warlord> edgy: nope. all volunteer
17:02:43 <warlord> alexv: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_.22Can_you_please_add_a_password_feature.3F.22
17:03:03 <warlord> and http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Is_the_Postgres_DB_.2F_SQL_backend_supported.3F
17:03:25 <edgy> warlord: and how do you eat and rent?
17:03:43 <warlord> I have a real job
17:05:01 <edgy> warlord: and still you can spare time to do the developement and the help after your job?
17:05:12 <BF> i'm back - i'm trying to delete an entry in the security editor (under AMEX), causes a crash every time.
17:05:22 <edgy> warlord: is your job related to gnucash?
17:06:10 <alexv> thanks, I'll try that gnupg script
17:07:06 <warlord> BF: gnucash version?
17:07:11 <warlord> edgy: nope
17:08:36 <BF> 2.2.1
17:09:04 <BF> i downloaded 2.2.3 but didnt deal with that yet. should i?
17:09:27 <edgy> warlord: there is a theory I heard that the more you give, the more you get, does this theory proves correct for you?
17:09:58 <warlord> Maybe..
17:10:10 <edgy> BF: I managed to install it using .deb from hardy packages but unless you really want it, it's not recommended to do it this way
17:10:10 <warlord> edgy: sometimes.
17:11:11 <edgy> warlord: this mean one day you can wake up in the morning and tell your self to go find a paid work instead of wasting time developing for free?
17:11:56 <warlord> hehehe
17:12:00 <warlord> I already do that ;)
17:13:49 <edgy> warlord: yes I can understand that, looking for the day when companies and governments realize that open source is the way and pay the right people to reap the benefit
17:16:07 <warlord> That would be nice.
17:17:34 <edgy> warlord: now after installing this new version, the transaction report is ok. it prints the grand total
17:20:07 <edgy> warlord: but on the account tree it says assets: 26000, profits: 0!!
17:20:38 <edgy> though my cash shows SAR 68
17:20:48 <edgy> and I have no liabilities
17:21:18 <edgy> profits should read 68 instead!
17:23:33 <warlord> What currency is it showing?
17:24:05 <edgy> warlord: SAR
17:25:28 <edgy> warlord: the bar below shows: SAR: Assest: SAR26000 Profits: SAR0.00, don't know what's the first column refers to
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17:27:32 <warlord> Honestly, neither do I.
17:27:41 <warlord> I have no clue how that is computed.
17:29:29 <edgy> warlord: isn't profits = income - expenses?
17:30:56 <warlord> Let me be more explicit -- I have no clue what gnucash is doing to compute the number that is displayed in the status bar.
17:32:21 <edgy> warlord: ah!
17:35:25 <edgy> warlord: by the way the transaction report now don't display the grand total again. I really don't know how come a while ago it's working and now it's not. This is very interesting, I would take a sleep now and tomorrow would try to figure out what's wrong with it. reaaaaaaaaaaaaaly thanks for all your greeeeeeeeeat work
17:36:07 <warlord> edgy: could be your locale or currency setting?
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17:48:02 <edgy> warlord: how can I check this?
17:52:01 <edgy> warlord: my currency is SAR in all teh accounts
17:53:11 <warlord> "locale"
17:53:16 <warlord> And Edit -> Preference
17:56:48 <edgy> warlord: where can I set my locale after going edit -> preference please?
17:59:38 <warlord> locale is set by LANG env var -- you need to restart gnucash to change it.
17:59:43 <warlord> There are multiple settings here.
18:02:11 <edgy> warlord: definitely you are right. I tried LANG=ar_SA.utf8 gnucash myfile and now it displays profits
18:03:40 <edgy> warlord: I would got mad this way! I now restarted gnucash with no lang variable and it displays the profits!
18:04:17 <edgy> warlord: could it be a satan/devil is embedded in the application?
18:05:30 <warlord> Or embedded in your computer ;)
18:06:27 <edgy> warlord: I can get rid of my computer but I just hope it's not embedded in my head ;)
18:08:59 <edgy> bye for now
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18:54:14 <jharold> Does anyone know of an rpm file for Suse 10.0?
18:58:12 <warlord> I know it exists.
19:04:14 <jharold> I've been using 1.8.9, but would like to upgrade.
19:04:57 <jharold> Do you have an address? I've been doing a search, but so far, no luck.
19:08:55 <jsled> jharold: see <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/SuSE>.
19:09:07 <jsled> I was looking at this the other day, and noticed that some of the holder repos might no longer be complete.
19:09:14 <jsled> i.e., it might no longer be true that it exists.
19:09:29 <jsled> But I don't know for sure; you'll need to do some legwork, I think.
19:14:17 <jharold> jsled: thank you!
19:15:58 <jharold> Ok - but I'll check it out.
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20:01:13 <warlord> jsled: why do you say that it might not exist anymore?
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