2008-01-26 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:21:08 <dbreiser> whee. 4.5 hours and counting for saving my data file via libgda
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06:29:56 <weehee> any gnucash developers here ;)
06:29:57 <weehee> I've got a fix for the windows edition,
06:29:57 <weehee> In file bin/gnucash.bat change
06:29:58 <weehee> "start gnucash-bin.exe" to "start gnucash-bin.exe %1"
06:29:58 <weehee> This allows the user to just double-click a file, and select open with...
06:30:34 <weehee> any gnucash developers here ;)
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08:45:19 <warlord> @tell weehee not at 6:30am US/EST, no.
08:45:19 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
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13:35:19 <eas> in linux fc8, kernel 2.6.23.9-85.fc8, gnucash v 2.2.3 (from r16843 on 2008-01-08), any attempt to open a transaction find window (through Ctrl-F or the Edit->Find menu item) fails. the window is created and immediately destroyed, i believe before any internal widgets are created. there seems to be no bugzilla bug -- do you know about this? is there a work-around (other than grepping the data file)?
13:41:49 <warlord> Change your window manager.
13:42:01 <warlord> (it's a WM bug)
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14:03:04 <eas> i've been using fvwm since i was 12; my stubbornness outmatches your disdain for my ancient and ridiculous little wm. :) do you have any other suggestions? what bug should i report to the fvwm folks?
14:04:44 <warlord> heh
14:06:00 <warlord> iirc the issues is a 'display/hide/display' sequence and the second display event gets dropped.
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14:16:01 <sophacles> what is the proposed timeline for re-adding support for books? i saw that it was taken out for 2.2.1...
14:26:16 <jsled> eas: andrewsw1afk tracked down a similar issue with his wm of choice (xmonad)
14:29:10 <jsled> eas: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alists.gnucash.org inurl%3Alogs xmonad
14:29:20 <jsled> sophacles: there's no proposed timeline; patches welcome.
14:29:52 <warlord> sophacles: what do you mean "support for books"?
14:30:40 <sophacles> just found the dev page on that :)
14:31:46 <sophacles> warlord i guess i ment when the book closing/account periods stuff will be coming out of beta...
14:32:19 <warlord> Oh! well, there's some new support in trunk.
14:32:22 <warlord> If it gets enough testing then MAYBE it'll get back-ported.
14:33:19 <warlord> The old book closing ... I suspect that wont ever be re-enabled.
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14:36:57 <warlord> ok.
14:36:57 <warlord> @op gncbot
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14:36:57 <gncbot> warlord: Error: I need to be opped to op someone.
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14:45:39 <jcreigh> eas: we had the same problem in xmonad (a WM): http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/xmonad/2007-December/003761.html
14:47:05 <jcreigh> eas: basically, gnucash does a map/unmap/map of the dialog (for obscure technical reasons) and some WMs react badly to the sequence of X11 events that results.
15:11:34 <jcreigh> oh, jsled already mentioned this.
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15:35:35 <andrewsw> @op
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15:35:42 <andrewsw> cool!
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15:45:30 <warlord> :)
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15:45:56 <warlord> heh
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19:16:42 * Mrdini hmmms - query - this probably isn't possible at all, but I'll ask anyway
19:17:26 <Mrdini> if I want to perform some "What if?" transactions, is that possible? (i.e. move some money around, see how much's left here & there etc)
19:17:47 <Mrdini> (& after, revert those imaginary transactions)
19:17:50 <andrewsw> sure, just enter them normally and then delete them when you're done.
19:18:10 <Mrdini> andrewsw, heh, was hoping there was a more GNUCash-y way :P
19:18:31 <andrewsw> much like trying to figure out how a piece of code works -- write and run it and see what happens...
19:19:02 <Mrdini> *nods* it's just that I don't want to enter "real" transactions IYSWIM
19:19:33 <andrewsw> I do, but I'm not sure what the problem is with it. A *real* transaction is just as deleted as a fake one ;)
19:20:00 <andrewsw> I guess the question is, what are you really trying to do? Maybe budgeting fits your needs better?
19:21:52 <Mrdini> yeah, budgeting
19:22:05 <Mrdini> but the bugeting thing in GNUCash seems awfully complex
19:22:20 <Mrdini> (didn't take a close look at it though *sweats*
19:22:46 <andrewsw> honestly I've not used it either other than to know you fill in the boxes and then run reports against it to see how you did.
19:23:18 <andrewsw> For short term cashflow issues, though, I just enter "Fake" transactions as placeholders and keep my eye on them.
19:23:49 <Mrdini> yeah, doing that
19:23:57 <Mrdini> seems to be doing me fine so far
19:24:30 <Mrdini> (just thinking of setting up some new accounts (real bank a/cs) and want to figure out where to move the money, & how much)
19:24:40 <andrewsw> just mark them in some obvious way so that if you lose track of one it'll stand out. I like ALL CAPS or DELETE ME!!!!
19:24:55 <Mrdini> heh, yeah
19:30:57 <sjc> Mrdini: I do this often, I include the word "PROJECTION" (in caps) in the description line to make it obvious
19:42:07 * andrewsw wonders how he'll ever get all this year end stuff done...
19:50:45 <jcreigh> how would you guys record a tax refund? I've been entering my paychecks as split transactions with lines for Social Security, Federal Withholding, State Withholding, etc.
19:51:20 <andrewsw> a us federal income tax refund would charge back against Federal WIthholding.
19:51:29 <andrewsw> (the expense for it, that is)
19:51:56 <jcreigh> yeah...would you put the date in the last year for reporting purposes?
19:52:08 <jcreigh> (eg, record it on 12/31/2007)
19:52:42 <andrewsw> usually personal books are strictly cash basis, so I would say no, record it when you recieve it. But IANAA.
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21:32:32 <andrewsw> dinner...
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