2007-12-28 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:06:34 <revcorupt> Bah.. The missing loan documentation in the concepts guide is hurting my brain...
03:07:49 * revcorupt checks the wiki
03:10:38 <revcorupt> no help there :-/
03:17:37 <revcorupt> Bah... If anyone can help... can you please explain how to make payments on a loan via a checking account... Seems like a stupid question, but I just can't seem to get it to work correctly. :-/
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03:32:30 <revcorupt> note to self: do not place feet on power cords under new desk...
03:35:25 <revcorupt> Anywho.. I imported a QFX file from my bank into gnucash and I need to figure out how to expence the imbalance for my loans while adjusting my loan account to match.. every time I try it screws it up. :-/
03:35:37 <revcorupt> maybe that's why there is no documentation?
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07:22:31 <warlord> revcorupt: A split transactions. Credit your Checking (Asset) account and Debit the Loan (Liability) and Interest (Expense) accounts. This is all in the docs; look under Loan/Mortgage.
07:23:05 <warlord> revcorupt: the guide has a chapter called "Loans"
07:24:20 <warlord> Although you are correct that there is missing docs on an actual example.
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08:54:13 <chris> what's up with all these SX crash reports?
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09:05:22 <andi5> i am not sure... are there that many?
09:05:35 <chris> several, it seems.
09:07:19 <andi5> majority against 2.2.2 or less?
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09:22:40 <warlord> 2.2.2 it appears
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09:48:24 <andi5> hi dbreiser!
09:48:37 <dbreiser> hi andi5
09:48:47 <andi5> mac intels are strange ;-)
09:48:53 <dbreiser> yep
09:49:07 <andi5> did you find out anything new? :)
09:49:15 <dbreiser> but my wife's laptop (intel) is twice as fast as my tower (dual ppc)
09:49:22 <andi5> hehe
09:49:25 <dbreiser> reverting 16610 didn't work
09:49:37 <dbreiser> next I'll try backing out 16597
09:49:38 <andi5> yes.. i read about your trials from tags/2.2.2
09:49:56 <andi5> (and 16610)
09:51:06 <dbreiser> OK, I'll leave the 16610 reversion out when I replace dialog-sx-editor.c with the version before 16597
09:51:25 <andi5> do you think the fink package building does something different than you?
09:52:04 <andi5> i mean, your way to produce a tarball sounded perfect to me
09:52:14 <dbreiser> I don't think so. I spent last night making config params match exactly, even when I thought the explicit fink declarations matched default behavior
09:53:16 <dbreiser> the only thing I don't know how to do is match fink's "make install DESTDIR=%d" where the %d is the build directory, not the install dir
09:53:48 <andi5> hm....
09:54:03 <andi5> things are installed into $DESTDIR/$prefix then, right?
09:54:29 <dbreiser> that's not my understanding of the fink way
09:55:24 <dbreiser> things are installed into $prefix (/sw in the fink default), but %d is something like /sw/src/fink.build/root-gnucash-2.2.2
09:56:38 <andi5> yes... from my point of view DESTDIR is something like a chroot... package internals only know about $prefix, but while installing, the files are put into $DESTDIR/$prefix, so that they cannot harm the rest of the system... should make it possible to run within fakeroot then
09:57:08 <dbreiser> and %d is completely removed after a fink install, unless you explicitly ask to retain it
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09:57:50 <dbreiser> ah. now I understand
09:58:43 <andi5> is that good? :-D
09:58:52 <dbreiser> one can only hope
09:59:28 <dbreiser> could you take a look at r16733? make distcheck complains that those two files in POTFILES.skip are in dist
10:00:30 <andi5> yes
10:02:48 <andi5> see http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/16090
10:03:02 <andi5> i guess putting the offending files into POTFILES.ignore will help, does it?
10:06:19 <dbreiser> I'll try that. But I have to go out for a while -- back in a couple hours
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10:07:21 <andi5> dbreiser: i try to avoid doing anything hazardous, given that i am logged into a foreign and slow system, not intended for dev work :-)
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13:32:55 <dbreiser-afk> @tell andi5 using POTFILES.ignore doesn't work (if they're still in POTFILES.skip). Looks like they need to be removed from either dist or POTFILES.skip
13:32:55 <gncbot> dbreiser-afk: The operation succeeded.
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13:35:18 <dbreiser-afk> warlord-afk: make distcheck fails on macs (both intel and ppc) with the complaint added in r16526 about missing Glib gettext. If I just run make dist and use the tarball, the build doesn't fail.
13:36:10 <dbreiser-afk> warlord-afk: it probably has something to do with fink making it possible to use different gettexts depending on circumstances.
13:36:46 <warlord-afk> dbreiser-afk: are you using the same build environment in both cases?
13:37:05 <warlord-afk> There's no reason it would work in one case and fail in the other if they are both run in the same environment.
13:38:00 <dbreiser-afk> well, make distcheck fails, but a normal make/make install works from the same tree
13:38:22 <dbreiser-afk> using the same tools
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13:40:05 <jennifer> is there a way to make gnucash forget the work done on the reconcile window?
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13:40:41 <jennifer> it's messed up ... the total in = total out, but it still shows an amount as Difference, so doesn't let you finish
13:40:48 <warlord> so from the same shell, same sources, "make" works, but "make distcheck" fails?
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13:41:04 <dbreiser> yes
13:41:22 <warlord> dbreiser: wait.. does ./configure work?
13:41:28 <dbreiser> yes
13:41:43 <dbreiser> well, it completes without a trailing complaint
13:41:51 <warlord> so from the same shell that you're running "make distcheck", you can run "./configure"?
13:41:58 <warlord> jennifer: "Cancel"?
13:42:16 <dbreiser> I run configure before I run make distcheck
13:43:20 <jennifer> warlord, it still has the same problem when I go back in
13:44:02 <jennifer> I think the order I did things was: start to reconcile, hit postpone, created some more transactions, hit reconcile again, and checked everything
13:44:11 <warlord> jennifer: Well, are you giving it the correct ending balance? And are you marking all the past and present txns?
13:44:32 <jennifer> yes, ending balance is correct (and it remembers it every time I hit reconcile)
13:44:47 <jennifer> all the transactions show correct
13:44:50 <warlord> It not completing means one of two things: 1) you entered the wrong balance, or 2) you have an incorrect (or missing) transaction.
13:45:02 <warlord> (note that it could be missing from a PREVIOUS reconciliation)
13:46:45 <warlord> basically, when you reconcile at date D, you're actually reconciling everything from the beginning of time up through D, not just that one month.
13:47:07 <jennifer> I've reconciled the previous month's statement ... but I guess it's possible I accidentally deleted something in the interim
13:47:14 <warlord> dbreiser: and you run configure by hand?
13:47:21 <dbreiser> yes
13:47:22 <warlord> (with no special environment?)
13:47:45 <dbreiser> the same prepended environment I add to make distcheck
13:48:10 <warlord> I've gotta run -- i'll be back later tonight. Can you get a full transcript of your configure and make distcheck?
13:48:27 <warlord> It's POSSIBLE that the pre-pended environment doesn't "stick" during distcheck.
13:48:30 <warlord> Gotta run
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13:48:35 <dbreiser> sure. I'll do that after I wash cars. weather's prettygood
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16:59:37 <andi5> hi warlord
16:59:47 <warlord> Hi
17:00:04 <andi5> i have got a question again :-)
17:00:16 <andi5> i looked at src/engine/test/test-scm-query and searched for memory leaks a bi
17:02:01 <andi5> there is one thing still open.... in engine/engine-helpers.c, there are gnc_query_path2scm and gnc_query_scm2path .... both duplicate the character strings that build up the query path (list)
17:03:07 <andi5> unfortunately though it seems that lib/libqof/qofquery.c:free_sort will treat these lists as lists of shared data, i.e. the newly allocated strings will not be freed
17:05:30 <andi5> i do not really know how to fix that... is scm_take0str something good?
17:06:07 <warlord> Umm... I dunno.
17:09:08 <andi5> well, it decards the const parameter again :-(
17:10:26 <warlord> Heh.
17:11:18 <warlord> Are you sure that pdata->matchstring is always g_alloc'ed?
17:11:33 <andi5> pretty
17:13:21 <andi5> http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk/lib/libqof/qof/qofquerycore.c#L268 should do that
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17:19:14 <dbreiser> warlord: adding an env really stomps on it. I switched to bash when I went to OS X 10.5, and I had to take the env out of the commands to get them to ever work
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17:21:12 <dbreiser> I use the env when I'm in tcsh (my wife's intel inherited the old default shell) and I get the same behavior with make distcheck there
17:21:43 <warlord> VERY weird
17:22:11 * andi5 is depressed given the dependency on scheme/guile and exits
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17:22:39 <dbreiser> yeah. Apple's env under bash is substantially different from env under tcsh.
17:22:51 <warlord> :(
17:23:26 <warlord> So, what happens if you actually set the real environment (and use 'export') first, so you're really just running ./configure directly? (and distcheck)
17:24:05 <dbreiser> I'll try it. It'll take me longer than it would take you... ;)
17:26:32 <warlord> heh
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17:43:35 <dbreiser> warlord: same error
17:57:57 <warlord> it really looks like PATH isn't set properly during distcheck. Maybe the makefile is resetting the PATH?
17:59:53 <warlord> dbreiser: maybe you can add an "echo $PATH" just before the check?
18:03:00 <dbreiser> warlord: ok
18:03:07 <andrewsw> warlord, do you object to Charles Day's qif improvements? #495219? I like them and they work in my rudimentary testing.
18:04:36 <dbreiser> warlord: echo $PATH looks right just after the distcheck failure. do I really need to do it before?
18:05:32 <warlord> i meant do it in the configure script
18:05:43 <warlord> andrewsw: havent looke
18:05:44 <warlord> d
18:07:19 <andrewsw> it seems to do what was discussed, so unless you have issue with what was discussed, I'll commit it.
18:07:32 <warlord> ok
18:08:03 * andrewsw thinks qif-import is warlord's world and doesn't want to step on toes... ;)
18:08:27 <warlord> you're welcome to have it
18:11:14 <dbreiser> I'm not running a script to do either configure or make distcheck. Unless you mean edit something in the source tree
18:11:32 <warlord> edit something in the source tree
18:11:38 <warlord> configure.in
18:11:55 <dbreiser> OK. I'll attempt it.
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18:19:16 <olsen> with automatic update of stock prices the book does not balance, shouldnt there be an account with the value differences?
18:19:30 <olsen> an expense/income account
18:20:24 <warlord> olsen: balance in what way? what method?
18:20:29 <olsen> double-entry
18:21:05 <olsen> i take money and buy stocks from my equity account... then their value changes... the money must be withdrawn from anothher account to balance
18:21:15 <warlord> nope
18:21:23 <olsen> then the book does not balance
18:21:30 <warlord> because that's an unrealized gain
18:21:31 <olsen> does the money come from nothing?
18:21:43 <olsen> how does that work out?
18:21:48 <warlord> it's not a gain until you sell.
18:21:55 <olsen> ofcause it is
18:22:09 <olsen> like you write off losses on your car on a regular basis... not just the day you sell
18:22:34 <warlord> that's depreciation. that's special.
18:22:53 <olsen> i don't understand why
18:23:14 <warlord> if you buy a stock and the value increases, you dont need to account for the gain in value.
18:23:39 <olsen> although it would give a better image of your current assets
18:23:40 <warlord> f you want to understand i suggest you take an accounting class
18:24:17 <warlord> true, which is why many of the reports take unrealized gain into account/
18:32:38 <olsen> can You mention one that does that?
18:33:35 <warlord> Balance Sheet..
18:35:08 <olsen> I must have done something wrong then because it doesn't have the value like under accounts... it has the initial value and under unrealized gains it says zero
18:36:21 <olsen> oh... in fact I'm looking for unrealized losses in this case.
18:36:27 <warlord> Did you change the option to "Most recent"?
18:36:38 <warlord> In the report options?
18:37:23 <warlord> BIAB
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18:39:16 <dbreiser> warlord-afk: $PATH is ok in both configure and distcheck, but $DATADIRNAME=share during configure and =lib for distcheck.
18:41:20 <olsen> No I haven't tried that warlord-afk. But I can't find it either. :(
18:41:51 <olsen> sorry
18:42:07 <olsen> thank You for the help warlord-afk. You've been great.
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19:02:01 <warlord> dbreiser: and PATH contains /sw/bin in both cases??
19:02:22 <warlord> olsen: with the report open, click "Options", the choose the "Commodities" tab
19:02:48 <dbreiser> warlord: yes
19:03:11 <warlord> That's.... ODD.
19:03:21 <warlord> I think I'd need shell access to figure this one out, I'm afraid
19:03:33 <dbreiser> yep. welcome to OS X yet again
19:03:38 <warlord> * sighs *
19:05:27 <dbreiser> If I get around to understanding (and possibly signing up for) a service that can handle my nonstatic IP, I might be able to provide that.
19:06:05 <dbreiser> In the meantime, I'm going to start banging on the macintel specific SX problem.
19:06:31 <warlord> ok.
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20:09:32 <fell> Good Night!
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