2007-12-27 GnuCash IRC logs
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07:59:27 <IanL> what do most of the devs do when they build and test gnucash svn so that it doesn't mess up their ~/.gnucash?
07:59:36 <IanL> just copy it to a different place?
07:59:44 <cortilap> HOME=/tmp/testbed?
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08:01:27 <warlord> Depends what I'm testing. (I'm actually running trunk for my main data)
08:02:13 <IanL> I guess you like to live on the edge
08:02:49 <IanL> But do you do like cortilap said if you need to test something that means you need to mess with the settings?
08:03:18 <cortilap> oh yeah, you might want to keep your gconf settings separate too
08:03:24 <cortilap> in that case you may as well create a separate user?
08:03:35 <andi5> or use GNC_GCONF_PATH or so
08:03:45 <IanL> gconf is stored in HOME isn't it?
08:04:32 <andi5> warlord: have you read my question about version numbers on trunk yesterday? i need some input or should i better reask the question on gnucash-devel? ... too bad, but i will have too leave right now
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08:05:05 <warlord> andi5: I dont recall your question
08:09:57 <IanL> missed him
08:12:00 <warlord> yeah.
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09:11:01 <IanL> so you guys just alter the HOME environment variable when testing with a clean home directory? what about all the stuff gnucash installs in lib/ and etc/ etc.?
09:12:09 <warlord> what about it?
09:12:33 <warlord> /opt/gnucash-trunk and /opt/gnucash-2.2 dont interfere.
09:14:46 <IanL> ah, ok,
09:15:00 <IanL> the libraries link ok.
09:15:49 <IanL> I was thinking that even though I ran /opt/gnucash-trunk it would still pull dynamic libraries from the paths in my ld.conf
09:16:51 <warlord> nope.
09:17:06 <warlord> Not unless it can't find them where it's looking for them
09:17:37 <IanL> I feel dumb. I thought that the dynamic linker just looked in ld.conf
09:17:52 <warlord> Libraries can provide hints.
09:18:22 <IanL> or what was in ld.conf when you ran ldconfig
09:18:33 <IanL> the libraries? or the executable itself?
09:19:09 <IanL> if I do 'ldd gnucash-bin' in /opt/gnucash-trunk it reports the right library locations.
09:19:27 <warlord> the libraries.
09:19:40 <warlord> (and the executable)
09:20:25 <IanL> so the executable has it's own preferred location that it tells the dynamic linker to use before it goes off looking in the directories in ld.conf?
09:20:26 <warlord> The libraries provide the hint of where they are located, and when linked into the app at compile time the app remembers the hint. Same thing with dependent libs (i.e., app -> lib1 -> lib2)
09:20:55 <IanL> hmm,
09:21:17 <IanL> interestin' I was blissfully unawares
09:22:34 <warlord> :)
09:41:02 <cortilap> is that rpath?
09:42:51 <warlord> yes
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09:51:03 <andi5> warlord: http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2007/12/2007-12-26.html#T20:14:35
09:51:59 <warlord> Ahh.. 2.2.90 or 2.2.99 makes sense.
09:52:17 <andi5> btw, does gncbot crash often?
09:52:20 <warlord> The NEWS file can be copied from 2.2 to trunk once we start the 2.3.0 releases
09:52:46 <warlord> no.. But if there's a network outage it will get disconnected.
09:52:55 <warlord> chris, jsled: can you deal with gncbot?
09:53:39 <andi5> yeah, the evergreens should periodically ping gncbot :-)
09:53:49 <chris> gncbot: cm'ere, I need to deal with you.
09:53:49 <gncbot> chris: Error: "cm'ere," is not a valid command.
09:53:56 <andi5> lol
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09:54:13 <andi5> warlord said, i need to ...
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09:55:54 <andi5> thanks, chris, ... again
09:55:58 <warlord> we need to get gncbot to recognize andrewsw
09:56:03 <warlord> thanks chris
09:56:17 <warlord> hehe
10:04:51 <andi5> FYI, as uninstd.h does not seem to declare sleep() on windows, please use g_usleep in newly written code if really necessary :-)
10:07:03 <warlord> good to know.
10:07:10 <warlord> BUt I dont think the sleep() was required at all.
10:07:14 <warlord> So I just removed it.
10:07:32 <warlord> I have no idea why hampton added it.
10:07:41 <andi5> yep...
10:08:40 <warlord> okay, I'll be back in a bit.
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11:24:07 <andi5> @tell IanL you wanted to avoid messing up your ~/.gnucash directory when using different gnucash versions in parallel.... please try to use the environment variable GNC_DOT_DIR... you can find its exact semantics in src/engine/gnc-filepath-utils.c:gnc_dotgnucash_dir
11:24:07 <gncbot> andi5: The operation succeeded.
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11:48:54 <andi5> warlord: ping
11:49:33 <warlord> andi5: pong
11:49:47 <andi5> nice :-)
11:50:32 <andi5> argg... telephone
11:52:44 <andi5> i forgot the bugzilla number, but you probably know that when posting an invoice, there is an a/r account selector, which tends to choose Assets if there is no such account
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11:55:04 <andi5> it seems that there is code to refill the underlying module which checks the previous selected account against the new data, looping through it and setting a variable `active` if appropriate... unfortunately that var has been initialized to 0, so on initialization, the first account will always be selected, no matter how often we filter afterwards
11:56:22 <andi5> when i change the variable init to -1 and call gtk_combo_box_set_active() only if active != -1, then no account will be selected on initialization
11:57:06 <andi5> this is also true if there is only one a/r account and i suppose that is the case very often
11:58:49 <andi5> now i do not know whether this change will help or not :-)
12:03:37 <warlord> Okay...
12:17:00 <andi5> warlord: do you have any opinion about this? should we save the last used a/r account somewhere?
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12:19:57 <warlord> Feel free to save it in the Customer slots!
12:20:56 <andi5> ok, i might try that
12:21:55 <warlord> (or vendors or employees for A/P)
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15:10:57 <chris> hey cstim
15:14:53 <cstim> hi chris
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15:53:20 * cstim checks whether translators want to have gnucash.pot be downloadable from our website...
15:54:39 <warlord> Hmm, I guess it's not in SVN, is it?
16:06:11 <cstim> no, intentionally not.
16:06:33 <warlord> Right...
16:06:35 <cstim> because it gets changed on each "make pot", which is IIRC triggered by "make dist"
16:06:50 <warlord> So, how would we make it available?
16:07:13 <cstim> see my -devel mail
16:07:30 <cstim> Until now we simply didn't make it available at all.
16:07:50 * warlord waits for the mail to arrive.
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16:12:24 <cstim> in emacs, how can I toggle the read-only status of a buffer?
16:12:48 <cstim> (po mode opens in read-only and it's still read-only even if I switch to fundamental-mode)
16:13:35 <warlord> C-x q
16:13:46 <cstim> ah, right. I just found M-x toggle-read-only
16:13:52 <warlord> Er, sorry, C-x C-q
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16:22:40 <fell> cstim, I think "Maklergebühren" is more usual than "Brokergebühren"
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16:24:28 <cstim> r16751 is yours.
16:27:23 <andi5> cstim, fell, rolf (n/a): is there any reason why the german account templates are _not_ utf-8? ... somehow i remember that someone reverted such a conversion, so i wonder whether there is still anything making latin0 or latin9 a better choice
16:28:19 <cstim> no, there's no reason
16:28:33 <cstim> At the time I was arguing the templates are fine the way they are
16:28:56 <cstim> because as long as the actual encoding is mentioned in the first line, all is well.
16:29:07 <cstim> so, IMHO, there wasn't any reason to change it.
16:29:28 <cstim> andi5: i.e. is there a reason why they should be _changed_ into utf-8? :-)
16:29:48 <andi5> cstim: http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/16742
16:32:25 <cstim> well, I've seen that.
16:33:11 <cstim> The question to me rather is: Why did r16550 not pay respect to the encoding that's listed in the first line of the file?!?
16:33:16 <cstim> sorry for that.
16:33:29 <fell> I would prefer on long term to convert to utf-8
16:33:33 <andi5> well, i do not know what you did to update the files, so i could only guess wildly
16:34:24 <cstim> uh-oh, baby calls for attention.
16:34:38 <andi5> go feed, go :-)
16:37:04 <cstim> andi5: go ahead with recoding.
16:37:11 <cstim> (did I say recording?)
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16:39:01 <andi5> ok, will do that ... and no, you did not say recording :-)
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16:43:15 <cstim> andi5: and r16742 is audited by me, if you want to hear that :-)
16:43:57 <andi5> hehe... thanks... no, i did not mean to sound accusing or demanding or anything... i just wondered
16:44:14 <cstim> acoustic?
16:44:20 <cstim> oh, accusing. yes. no.
16:44:32 * cstim hears too much music
16:44:40 <andi5> *g*
16:45:13 <andi5> nice to see that some guys seem to have more spare time on christmas holidays
16:46:17 <cstim> andi5: btw I met Micha Lenk in Hamburg and we had some nice lunch together
16:46:45 <andi5> is he an active debian contributor besides gnucash?
16:47:00 <andi5> or... wait
16:47:14 <andi5> yes, debian... :-)
16:47:17 <andi5> rauch == suse
16:47:26 <cstim> no. he's the debian package only for aqbanking. no other packages so far.
16:47:42 <cstim> ** more baby screaming **
16:48:00 <cstim> s/package/packager/ of course
16:48:09 <andi5> do the older ones start screaming again, recognize the power they have?
16:48:14 <cstim> no
16:48:19 <cstim> thank god
16:48:20 <andi5> :-D
16:49:53 <andi5> seems like stingy germans tend to live in the north ;-)
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16:50:24 * cstim has to use ultimate anti-screaming powers: Den Gymnastikball!
16:50:39 <andi5> ouch... is that your last resort?
16:51:34 <cstim> only to be topped by the CD with Schlafliedern
16:51:55 <cstim> yes, that's the last resort.
16:52:14 <cstim> also, that slows down typing like hell
16:54:56 <fell> once a friend of me was looking for his wife and his child say: psst, mama is sleeping - that is also very powerful.
16:56:17 <andi5> did it talk in english? ;-)
16:57:03 <fell> no, I translated for the log, of course
16:57:14 <andi5> :-)
16:59:05 <andi5> ah... i love it.... http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/12299 ... one commit, crystal clear
17:00:09 <andi5> what i do not like is in http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/12299#file10 , line 1093 ... this makes make check spit warnings when run in time zones eastern of gmt...
17:01:58 <cstim> andi5: yay
17:02:00 <andi5> and i have no clue what it does
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17:03:36 <andi5> ok... i wünsche schon einmal einen guten rutsch ins neue :-)
17:04:35 <warlord> andi5: what part dont you understand?
17:05:21 <andi5> why tmp_tm.tm_hour -= 2 ... will that help to make to make secs non-negative?
17:06:17 <andi5> it also does not explain (e.g., by putting a href) what mktime on macosx gets wrong
17:06:32 <warlord> Well, first it does ++. If that didn't fix it, then it does -= 2
17:07:10 <warlord> i.e., it tries + an hour, then - an hour
17:07:33 <cstim> andi5: guten rutsch ebenfalls.
17:07:35 <andi5> should not secs be 7200 smaller then, so most likely still < 0?
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17:07:56 <andi5> smaller by 7200 (maybe that is correct)
17:08:24 <warlord> It's testing for a broken mktime that (probably) returns -1
17:08:42 <andi5> so why does it say secs<0 and not secs==-1 then?
17:08:57 <warlord> because it might NOT be -1
17:10:00 <andi5> i am sorry, for cet or anything more into the east, this code is buggy for anything sufficiently close to 1970-01-01
17:10:02 <warlord> Although technically, yes, looking only for -1 might suffice, but it's being more general
17:10:26 <warlord> so? do we really care about 1970?
17:10:27 <andi5> at least i would say so
17:10:35 <andi5> at least in src/engine/test/test-date
17:11:02 <andi5> ok... every line has to start with "at least" :-)
17:11:10 <warlord> :-D
17:12:12 <andi5> honestly, without any further reference (ok, i am too lazy to search, maybe i should do that), i am tempted to regard the fix as misunderstanding of something different
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17:13:26 <andi5> btw, who or what is CAS?
17:15:09 <chris> uh... that's probably me.
17:15:53 <andi5> you know my next question :-D
17:17:16 <chris> uh... 12229?
17:17:22 <andi5> 12299
17:17:23 <chris> 12299
17:17:37 * chris waits for trac to load...
17:19:06 <andi5> there is also http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/14158
17:20:12 <andi5> as i do not know whether you avoid my question: what is the A :-)
17:20:34 <chris> no, what's the question?
17:21:02 <chris> is it, "why didn't you just rip all that code out?"
17:21:29 <andi5> lol... well, good question..... it was rather "what is the A" [about]
17:22:20 <chris> A?
17:22:26 <andi5> in CAS
17:22:37 <chris> Oh!
17:22:40 <chris> Allen
17:22:46 <andi5> ah :-)
17:23:01 <chris> dinnertime...
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17:54:33 <andi5> bedtime...
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18:36:29 <dbreiser> in which directory is one supposed to be situated when invoking "make dist"?
18:37:13 <dbreiser> Make dist is finally at least running for me, but it's creating tarballs that are different from the distribution versions
18:37:30 <dbreiser> I'm issuing the command from the top level of my svn checkout tree
18:38:22 <chris> dbreiser: that's right. what are you comparine the tarball to?
18:39:09 <dbreiser> chris: what I'm doing is substituting my homegrown tarball for the one that gets used as a source in a fink build
18:39:27 <warlord> why are you doing that? and how are you comparing?
18:40:07 <dbreiser> warlord: I'm doing that because my SX/SLR crashes only happen with fink builds from distrib. tarballs not svn
18:40:53 <warlord> trunk or 2.2 SVN?
18:41:01 <dbreiser> I've tried checking the packaging commands (which have worked consistently up to 2.2.1) and can't find a difference
18:41:04 <dbreiser> trunk
18:41:12 <warlord> OH! Trunk isnt 2.2
18:41:33 <warlord> have you tried the 2.2 branch?
18:41:35 <dbreiser> yes, but trunk at the revision equal to the 2.2.2 taggin
18:41:44 <dbreiser> I'll try the 2.2 branch next
18:42:48 <warlord> trunk at 2.2.2 tag still isn't 2.2..
18:43:21 <dbreiser> OK. I'll be back after I build that one (one or more times)
18:43:57 <warlord> The 2.2 branch was created off r16560.
18:44:43 <warlord> Which means it was branches somewhere between 2.2.1 and 2.2.2
18:45:31 <warlord> But if 2.2-branch doesn't work then we should figure out which changeset fixes it.
18:49:15 <dbreiser> looking at the wiki (or web site) it looks like I might rather checkout ..../tags/2.2.2 instead of ...../branches/2.2 ?
18:49:28 <dbreiser> since 2.2.1 works, but 2.2.2 doesn't
18:50:09 <dbreiser> really what I need is an svn build that doesn't work so I can test andi5's suggestion of possible rev that's the problem
18:50:32 <dbreiser> that was 16610
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19:24:52 <andrewsw> hi
19:25:02 <andrewsw> I'm looking at bug #505921
19:25:29 <andrewsw> transaction report changed between 2.2.1 and svn. This is likely the cause of crash, right?
19:26:06 <andrewsw> specifically, the options for subtotalling changed (added "week").
19:29:13 <fell> andrewsw, yes I saved it in 2.2.1 and 2.2.2 crashes, when trying to open te report
19:29:48 <warlord> Not sure that would cause the problem unless you chose that new option and then moved back.
19:30:11 <andrewsw> hi fell! I'm unclear, because I don't think that changed for 2.2.2, so confirm please that this is svn *trunk* not 2.2.2?
19:31:48 * andrewsw is testing this...
19:32:06 <fell> 1 moment, I move back the old ~/.gnucash/books/
19:32:47 * andrewsw can't wait for sped up reports in 2.2.2
19:36:03 <andrewsw> well, I saved a file with open txn report in 2.2.1 and reopened in latest trunk, and it works fine. I didn't tweak any options on the report, just the plain default.
19:36:20 <fell> 2.2.2 (svn16676) crashes
19:37:43 <fell> last line: Wrong type to apply: #f
19:37:48 <andrewsw> pastebin
19:38:03 <andrewsw> please.
19:38:58 <andrewsw> weekly subtotals hit in svn 16680 so that's not it.
19:39:47 <fell> http://pastebin.ca/834199
19:44:58 <andrewsw> fell: you solved this by removing the section from .gnucash/book/file, right?
19:45:20 <fell> andrewsw: yes
19:48:01 <andrewsw> can you pastebin the whole book/file?
19:49:41 <warlord> Do you have any Saved reports?
19:51:22 <andrewsw> why would quote evaluate to #f?
19:52:08 <fell> http://pastebin.ca/834228 - it works on german skr04-template
19:55:00 <fell> andrewsw: the same strange behavior as in the related bug
19:56:13 <andrewsw> what if you move aside .gnucash/saved-reports-2.0?
19:56:44 <fell> warlord: I could try to create a with default options and later set options
19:58:03 <fell> andrews: there is no .gnucash/saved-reports-2.0 now
19:59:20 <andrewsw> what do you mean "now". Have you moved it away? or did it not exist before?
19:59:59 <fell> I did not see any the whole day
20:04:22 <andrewsw> reading bug 345824, do you have the .gnucash/books/%2path%2to%2file file?
20:08:11 <fell> No, the last .gnucash/books/%2path%2to%2file file is from january. this file was a copy of another in November
20:09:41 <andrewsw> so there is no .gnucash/books/%2path%2to%2file for this particular file at all? or it is just old?
20:10:12 <fell> None
20:13:28 <andrewsw> hmmm... well, yes it does look similar, but also different (due to different .gnucash files). What I can tell you is that the .gnucash/books/file_buggy file is trying to look up options for the report but that lookup fails
20:13:59 <andrewsw> which then results in "options" equaling #f which causes a problem.
20:14:35 <andrewsw> So, for some reason (let ((options (gnc:report-template-new-options/name "Buchungsbericht")... is failing to return anything.
20:14:50 <andrewsw> Has there been a spelling change in the translation perhaps?
20:14:50 <fell> did someone remove or rename an option?
20:15:16 <andrewsw> fell: no, no removed or renamed options I know of, but maybe a translation string got changed
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20:16:53 <andrewsw> fell: are you doing any currency exchanges in this report?
20:17:34 <fell> yes, USD, INR, IDR -> EUR
20:18:32 <fell> only the reportname was translated, the options are all untranslated in the file
20:18:55 <warlord> and did the translation change?
20:21:09 <andrewsw> fell: you provided translations in r16634, could those be related (no speak german here).
20:21:56 <andrewsw> I don't think they apply.
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20:23:05 <fell> OT: how did you find that so quick?
20:23:13 <andrewsw> my mail archives.
20:23:16 <andrewsw> locally.
20:24:09 <dbreiser> woohoo. I didn't think I could be so happy something failed. building from svn tags/2.2.2 works, but building from the tarball from make dist in the same tree exhibits the SX editor/SLR launch crashes.
20:24:12 <andrewsw> I don't see anything that might apply in my history here, though I'm missing some. There was a change I made to the currency exchange stuff. But so far as I know it shouldn't affect what you're doing.
20:24:28 <andrewsw> YAY dbreiser made it crash!
20:24:48 <dbreiser> seems no-one else but mac intels sees this one...
20:25:06 <andrewsw> that's an abomination anyway... ;)
20:25:17 <dbreiser> now maybe I can find an offending rev. (andi5 has already suggested one)
20:25:33 * andrewsw prays its not him again...
20:25:35 <dbreiser> eh. everything's an abomination to someone :)
20:26:08 <dbreiser> unless you've been delving into sx's, I don't think this one is you.
20:26:29 <andrewsw> fell: you should link to this conversation in the bug report, just so folks can read what we reviewed. Any test files you could provide would be good as well.
20:26:58 <andrewsw> dbreiser: nope, but I wasn't messing in Lots testing either and I broke them... (not really ;)
20:27:27 <fell> is msgid "price type: ask"/bid in any kind txn report related?
20:28:46 <dbreiser> andrewsw: I'm not at all sure this one isn't my fault. But at least now I have something concrete to test!
20:29:32 <andrewsw> fell: nope.
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20:30:23 <fell> can i filter trac to see all changes on de.po?
20:30:47 <fell> there were many as I remember right
20:32:50 <andrewsw> maybe fell, hold on
20:36:39 <andrewsw> fell: http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset?old_path=gnucash%2Fbranches%2F2.2%2Fpo%2Fde.po&old=16467&new_path=gnucash%2Fbranches%2F2.2%2Fpo%2Fde.po&new=16753
20:36:54 <andrewsw> I think that shows all the diffs from 2.2.1 to 2.2.2 on that file.
20:37:15 <andrewsw> time for dinner...
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20:39:54 <fell> http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/wiki/TracGuide seems to be lost
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20:51:13 <warlord> fell: it's not lost -- we don't use trac's wiki
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20:59:39 <fell> yes, warlord, it is redirected to http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/GnuCash, where I don't see very much about tracing
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21:12:04 <warlord> "about tracing"?
21:12:25 <warlord> There are no Trac wiki pages.
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21:16:41 <fell> warlord, I try to solve "The Base for Diff is invalid: No node gnucash/branches/2.2/po/de.po at revision 16467" (I am searching changes between 2.2.1 and 2.2.2)
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21:18:41 <andrewsw> fell, sorry, that was a manually created link...
21:19:01 <fell> I got it:http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset?old_path=gnucash%2Ftags%2F2.2.1%2Fpo%2Fde.po&old=16467&new_path=gnucash%2Fbranches%2F2.2%2Fpo%2Fde.po&new=16753
21:19:18 <andrewsw> you mean that works?
21:19:53 <fell> s/branches/tags/
21:20:59 <andrewsw> watch out... big page, it can really slow your browser down. I searched and couldn't find a change in there that would do it. I don't think.
21:23:36 <fell> most changes are only line numbers. And some others we discussed before on the german mailing list.
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21:25:40 <andrewsw> I think we're barking up the wrong tree. I wonder if it could be a problem with the currency conversions. I want to send you a patch to try. I'll put it up in the bug report. Its a revert of a change I made. are you willing?
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21:28:40 <andrewsw> ah never mind fell. That's not it. I'm off again.
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21:34:00 <twunder> the SX SLR seems to be borken in 2.2.99. I changed my payday Reminder to a To-Create, clicked OK, but my checking account didn't get updated. The SLR dialog when next run thinks the SX was created, though. Also, when I check the review created transactions checkbox, I'm not shown anything to review.
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23:43:39 <fell> Uff, I did not find any changes in the translation, which I in my eyes would affect the txn report.