2007-12-26 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:49:22 * chris got a little snippy on -user this morning.
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09:57:10 <warlord> uh oh!
09:57:12 <warlord> * goes to look *
09:58:39 <warlord> Nah, doesn't read TOO snippy to me.
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09:59:24 <chris> I definetely toned it down.
10:00:16 <JaminCollins> Is there a way to scheduled a task for every third Wednesday, in Gnucash?
10:01:03 <warlord> JaminCollins: sure.
10:01:13 <warlord> week (wed) x3
10:02:12 <JaminCollins> that's not quite what I'm looking for.... sorry my initial statement wasn't very clear... I need it to be every third Wednesday of a month, not just every three weeks
10:05:13 <JaminCollins> closest I've managed to come is week(wed) x4 but that winds up getting thrown off when some months have an extra week
10:07:36 <warlord> Maybe chris knows, but I don't see a way to enter that into the current UI.
10:10:28 <JaminCollins> US Social Security payments appear to be done monthly at fixed week intervals (my wifes SSDI checks are third Wednesday each month)
10:13:48 <warlord> Honestly, I thought there was a way to do that with the 'weekly' setting, but not that I can see..
10:16:37 <chris> Recurrence supports it, as does the GncRecurrence widget.
10:17:01 <chris> but the SX GUI doesn't expose it.
10:19:08 <warlord> The SX GUI doesn't use the GncRecurence Widget?
10:19:57 <chris> no
10:20:05 <warlord> Huh. I wonder why not?
10:20:39 <chris> I don't know. I thought it was clever and small, but I'm obviously biased.
10:20:55 <warlord> Heh.
10:21:07 <warlord> Where can I see an example of it? in the budgets?
10:21:28 <chris> in the budget options dialog.
10:21:54 <chris> it's the 3 lines to the right of "Budget Period:"
10:23:12 <warlord> How would you enter semi-monthly?
10:24:35 <chris> you'd need the more complicated (and currently unused) GncRecurrenceList widget.
10:25:02 <chris> which is basically a composition of Recurrences.
10:25:43 <chris> So, it'd be "Every month on the 1st + Every month on the 15th ( or whatever)"
10:28:04 <warlord> Is that actually exposed?
10:28:18 <warlord> Or is it a single UI that implements that in a simple manner?
10:28:27 <warlord> (ala the SX interface)?
10:29:03 <warlord> I think that the SX interface gets some things right, and the GncRecurrence iterface gets other things right.... We should pick the best of both and combine them.
10:29:11 <warlord> (There should be only one) :-D
10:33:00 <chris> Actually, jsled's UI is the only one that generates composite Recurrences in a way that does look exactly like composite Recurrences.
10:33:51 <chris> e.g. that's how it handled semi-monthly.
10:34:39 <chris> So, it probably makes sense to extend it to handle at least the cases that can be handled by a single Recurrence.
10:35:18 <chris> s/does look/does NOT look/
10:36:42 <warlord> Sorry, I lost you in the pronouns there.
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10:38:09 <chris> jsled's SX editor handles semi-monthly by generating a RecurrenceList behind the scenes.
10:39:01 <chris> Since that's probably the more user-friendly UI, it makes sense to extend it.
10:40:38 <warlord> So you're suggesting we extend Josh's UI to handle the things you can do in GncRecurrence and then replace GncRecurrence with what Josh has?
10:43:12 <chris> Right. Well, there may still be a justification for GncRecurrence for any cases where the extra flexibility isn't needed.
10:48:01 <warlord> I think having a consistent UI is important, even if you dont need to extra flexibility in some cases.. Unless it's a case where the extra flexibility would violate some other constraint.
10:49:45 <warlord> anyways, i'm off for a bit. back in an hour.
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13:00:20 <copelco> has anyone gotten gnucash to work with leopard?
13:00:27 <copelco> (macosx)
13:00:58 <warlord> I'm told fink works, but MacPorts has issues.
13:01:21 <copelco> warlord: ok thanks
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14:05:12 <andrewsw> hi warlord!
14:05:15 <andrewsw> nice work!
14:05:27 <warlord> hi. thanks
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15:49:08 <chris> hi cstim
15:57:33 <cstim> chris: hi.
15:57:33 <gncbot> cstim: Sent 2 days, 19 hours, and 25 minutes ago: <warlord> import-export/qif isn't used.
15:57:41 <cstim> no language debate today :-)
15:58:26 <warlord> Hopefully.
15:58:27 * cstim just survived familiy visiting our home. Baby-watching.
15:59:05 <cstim> I still don't read -user at all; busy enough with -de. Still seems like a good decision for me :-)
16:00:19 <cstim> That guy with the "import from bank website through my website" got quite dissed.
16:00:36 <warlord> yes, he did. :(
16:01:21 <andrewsw> I was party to that, and I think it got out of hand.
16:02:55 <cstim> yeah, well, but he should've known it.
16:03:29 <cstim> I mean, even on -devel he immediately was told that people won't give him login credentials, and rightfully so.
16:04:00 <andrewsw> I think he saw $
16:04:01 <cstim> But Beth's comparison with Finance::Quote points into a direction that would actually work. Too bad he didn't pick up the idea.
16:05:02 <andrewsw> it seemed he thought we was sitting on some amazing discovery: screenscraping, and didn't want others to know how it was done.
16:11:03 * andrewsw shudders
16:15:45 <cstim> CYA?
16:15:52 <andrewsw> cover your ass
16:16:31 <andrewsw> though I'm not saying that's a solution!
16:17:16 <cstim> right
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16:26:36 <cstim> warlord: go bugsquashing go
16:27:36 <warlord> hehe
16:27:42 <warlord> i was just going through bugs with patches.
16:29:51 <cstim> great
16:43:01 <warlord> :)
16:51:54 <mishehu> what's with all that [off] stuff
16:51:58 <mishehu> hard to read.
16:53:39 <cstim> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/IRC#Public_Logging
16:53:45 <cstim> If you want to say something that shouldn't be logged, prepend your text by the prefix [off] which should stand for "off-the-record". Lines that begin with [off] will not show up on the web page logs.
16:53:50 <warlord> damn, cstim beat me to it.
16:53:59 <cstim> heh
16:54:09 <cstim> may I ask a question?
16:54:49 <cstim> (I would have tested who explains the meta-ask issue first...)
16:55:17 <cstim> warlord: having fun with your nices?
16:56:08 <warlord> my nephews, yes.
16:56:30 <cstim> ah, right.
16:56:35 <warlord> :)
16:56:41 <cstim> (all women here, so /me got confused)
16:57:23 <cstim> any opinions about r16704, 16705, 16706 backporting?
16:57:45 <cstim> it's all about i18n. Should I just decide it's worth the translation hassle? I'd say yes it is.
17:01:55 <warlord> Probably. What about the Close Books work I did? Should that get backported? Or wait for people to test it more first?
17:02:00 <warlord> (I didn't mark it for BP)
17:03:46 <cstim> hm. it's a new feature?
17:03:51 <cstim> well, of course.
17:04:05 <cstim> I'm unsure.
17:04:36 <cstim> Probably yes, it should be back-ported.
17:05:17 <cstim> but some feedback from people who actually used it would be nice.
17:08:18 <warlord> I'm thinking it'll be useful come Jan/Feb when people want to zero-ize their accounts.
17:09:37 <cstim> ok
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17:12:04 <cstim> so you'd say I just go ahead and back-port the three i18n commits?
17:13:11 <warlord> Probably. We have some time before 2.2.3
17:13:47 <cstim> ok
17:21:12 <warlord> I just sent mail about it.
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17:22:07 <warlord> good night, cstim_zzz
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18:44:51 <andi5> warlord-afk: ping
18:44:51 <gncbot> andi5: Sent 1 day, 5 hours, and 35 minutes ago: <warlord> yeah, sorry.. the problem was introduced after 2.2.2
18:46:36 <andi5> hm... jsled?
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19:01:23 <andi5> hm.... seems like my network got blocked again and i cannot access {lists,svn,wiki}.gnucash.org directly for no obvious reason... that is unfair :-(
19:05:34 <andi5> huh... now it works... that is ... strange
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19:22:47 <andi5> hi chris... and merry christmas :-)
19:30:29 <chris> thanks, and same to you.
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20:14:35 <andi5> Q: as i forgot to update configure.in an NEWS on trunk: what version info should they contain once the stable releases have been branched off? e.g., does 2.2.90 (or 2.2.99) make any sense? should NEWS contain all stable release entries, and in what order (i suppose chronologically)... thanks
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21:31:05 <warlord> @tell andi5 sorry I missed you. It's possible that there was a short network outage.
21:31:05 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
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