2007-12-19 GnuCash IRC logs
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02:52:27 <ryan__> hey guys...is this the place to ask if i have issues with trying to build a deb for libaqbanking?
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02:55:38 <ryjax> anyways, compile seems fine. but creation of deb isn't because of a missing file.
02:55:51 <ryjax> dh_install -paqbanking16-qt-wizard --sourcedir=/home/ryjax/Projects/gnucash/libaqbanking-2.2.3/debian/tmp
02:55:51 <ryjax> cp: cannot stat `/home/ryjax/Projects/gnucash/libaqbanking-2.2.3/debian/tmp//usr/lib/aqbanking/plugins/16/wizards': No such file or directory
02:56:49 <ryjax> i haven't been able to find an option with ./configure to where the wizards directory gets added
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06:57:12 <blahdeblah> Hi. I'm planning to write a wiki entry for how i do Australian GST with because the FAQ entry makes no sense to me. But before i do i want to check one thing: is "Business Accounts" considered a 4-account scheme or a 5-account scheme?
06:57:12 <gncbot> blahdeblah: Sent 14 weeks, 4 days, 14 hours, and 47 minutes ago: <warlord> there may be a bug in there.. There's clearly SOME set of actions that reliably gets you into a broken state. But i can't figure it out in my NORMAL usage.
06:57:13 <gncbot> blahdeblah: Sent 14 weeks, 4 days, 14 hours, and 47 minutes ago: <warlord> the workaround once you get into that state is to delete all the payment transactions and intra-A/R txns (Automatic Payment Forwards) and then repost all your payments.
06:57:14 <gncbot> blahdeblah: Sent 14 weeks, 4 days, 14 hours, and 46 minutes ago: <warlord> ... and repost them in chronological order as per your invoices.
06:57:40 <blahdeblah> Wow - that gncbot sure has a good memory
06:58:33 <blahdeblah> (Or another way of stating my question: is equity counted as an account in the 3-account and 4-account schemes?)
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08:06:26 <warlord> blahdeblah: what's the reference for your question?
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09:27:07 <jsled> "WINNER: GnuCash!" - http://zeusville.wordpress.com/2007/12/17/gnucash/
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12:09:15 <andi5> andrewsw: op-time again :-) (gncbot suffices)
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12:10:04 <andi5> oh... ehm... thanks jsled :-)
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12:10:48 <andi5> jsled: i suppose r16678 will need some builddir!=srcdir love :-) .... i will spend some
12:13:05 <andi5> btw, does mkdir fail on linux as well if the target directory already exists? (will add -p)
12:13:10 <jsled> andi5: Oh? Oh.
12:13:27 <jsled> Right... all those "localdir" references are implicitly srcdir, aren't they?
12:13:39 <jsled> s/"localdir"/relative dir/
12:14:22 <andi5> relative dirs/files are treated from the current directory, which is somewhere in top_builddir
12:14:46 <jsled> Oh, so it's the other way around? The copies need to quality ${srcdir} ?
12:14:51 <andi5> so the cp commands do not find the pngs
12:14:54 <andi5> yep
12:18:19 <andi5> hm.... the scalable icon was not disted or installed at all?
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12:19:28 <jsled> apparently not.
12:20:17 <andi5> the win32 dist.sh and gnucash.iss.in will need work as well.... it is not hard, but it takes time and testing... that is why i objected :)
12:20:41 <jsled> Well, I can attend to the src/build dir issues.
12:20:58 <jsled> I was mostly just curious that the mkdir/gzip/cp/if !OS_WIN32 constructs worked.
12:21:02 <andi5> well, already done :)
12:21:08 <jsled> :) Thanks.
12:21:10 <andi5> yep, that worked
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12:47:12 <andi5> hm... i wonder whether we need those extra pngs on windows at all....
12:47:44 <andi5> those are only for desktop environments, right?
12:48:04 <jsled> the sized ones? Yeah.
12:48:11 <jsled> There's other app icons in that dir.
12:48:22 <jsled> And one of them might be used by the About dialog.
12:49:02 <andi5> well, even the size icons are installed to $prefix\share\gnucash\pixmaps and $prefix\share\icons\$size...
12:49:28 <jsled> Yeah. It could probably be cleaned up further.
12:50:00 <jsled> I did sort of the superset of actions to prevent breaking stuff, but I doubt we need the icons in share/gnucash/pixmaps.
12:56:44 <andi5> seems like gnc_gnome_init tries to find all three pngs in $gnucash\pixmaps
12:58:00 <jsled> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeGoals/AppIcon has some code-related suggestions. I'm not sure if they apply.
12:58:54 <andi5> as the installing (make install) of the icons at $prefix\share\icons works on mingw/msys, this can stay at it is... i would simply not dist icons/
13:01:25 <andi5> do we use g_set_application_name, explicitly or implicitly, at all?
13:01:45 <jsled> I don't know.
13:02:34 <andi5> but we use gtk_window_set_default_icon_list(icons), where icons is the list of those three sized icons
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13:58:08 <andrewsw> mornin' folks.
13:59:25 <andrewsw> anybody object to the idea of #454834? For purposes of Txn Report, it conflates Memo and Note into one field if there is no Memo field for a particular split.
13:59:50 <andrewsw> or should it be an option (YAFreakinOption...)
14:13:49 <andrewsw> nm. I've punted back to the patch provider.
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14:37:59 <andrewsw> warlord et al: I've been sort of hacking my way through bugzilla. I trust someone will yell if I tread too heavily.
14:38:42 <warlord> andrewsw: Excellent! Than kyou
14:41:00 <andrewsw> there just seems to be a lot of triage needed *and* a lot of really old, probably obsolete, stuff that needs de-cruftifying.
14:41:55 <andrewsw> but I cringe when I see how much mail it generates...
14:42:30 <andi5> andrewsw: you can configure that, but i usually like it that way
14:43:07 <andrewsw> I don't mind the mail coming to me... it's all the cc's generated. I marked a bug as a dupe and it must have sent out 15 cc's
14:43:19 <andi5> only? ha ;-)
14:44:54 <andi5> warlord: how many subscribers does gnucash-user have? :-)
14:46:22 <warlord> 100?
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14:46:28 <warlord> I'd have to look
14:48:08 <andrewsw> andi5: I get it.
14:48:08 <Patrick_> Hi, I was playing around with gnucash and I created an order, but I did not find a way to delete it. How can I?
14:49:25 <andrewsw> Patrick_: do you mean an invoice? if so, you can't, afaik.
14:50:02 <warlord> Patrick_: see the FAQ
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14:50:46 <warlord> or, just leave.. that works too.. ;)
14:51:31 <andi5> no leaving does not help.... removing the data file does..
14:51:39 <warlord> that works too
14:51:57 <andrewsw> no matter how often you part this channel, that invoice will still exist...
14:52:38 <andi5> depends on whether the irc client logs parts and joins, and what happens when the hard disk starts to fill
14:52:51 <warlord> Mmm.. full disk!
14:53:01 <andrewsw> lol
15:04:29 <andrewsw> argh! bugzilla! what a PITA!!
15:06:20 <warlord> It's not responding to me right now.
15:06:26 <andi5> hm? there is just one thing i do not like and that is its lagging sometimes
15:06:39 <andrewsw> it's pretty bad sometimes.
15:07:36 <warlord> well, we could migrate to either Trac or our own instance of bugzilla.
15:08:02 <andi5> is that really necessary?
15:08:23 <warlord> I dunno.
15:08:25 <andrewsw> I wouldn't go that far. yet.
15:08:55 <warlord> "yet" ;)
15:09:00 <andi5> i wonder what the reason is... sometimes it is rather snappy
15:09:14 <andrewsw> Hey, I'm sure to crack over 5 points this week... don't want to give up on that
15:09:31 <andi5> go, andrew, go
15:10:01 <warlord> Go go!
15:10:08 <warlord> I wonder how long until I hit 19.
15:10:15 <warlord> I've been at 18 for a very long time.
15:10:55 <andrewsw> you can compute it yourself... I did it this morning for kicks and grins and was at 7.5 before I started working.
15:10:58 <andi5> warlord: honestly, i have made a small scripts to calculate my points more precisely ;-) (needs manual input)
15:11:01 <jsled> yeah, it's got that whole funny log() thing.
15:11:48 <andrewsw> someone wants to -1.5*log2(1+reopened-by-others-bugs)
15:12:09 <andrewsw> that means you could go on a points war and reopen others bugs to ding them.
15:12:27 <warlord> The reopen should only count negative if the reopener has a higher rating.
15:13:00 <andrewsw> then you'd have an *ugly* two tier system where the big dogs keep the rest of us squished under their thumbs...
15:13:21 <andi5> andrewsw: that is what we do all the time!
15:14:00 * andrewsw watches his inbox for the flood of bugzilla mail
15:14:15 <warlord> No, but it will keep a peon n00b from screwing up my score by reopening bugs that I close.
15:14:34 <andrewsw> damn. I've been caught out
15:22:01 <warlord> :-P
15:27:50 <andrewsw> time to feed the animals^Wkids...
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15:38:35 <andi5> bye... and thanks for the fish
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15:39:29 <warlord> heh
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16:44:16 <blahdeblah> warlord: my question was in the context of FAQ 6.6
16:46:11 <warlord> No
16:48:46 <warlord> "No" is the answer to your question
16:49:22 <blahdeblah> Presumably the latter? (i.e. whether equity is considered an account)
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16:52:32 <warlord> Correct
16:53:55 <blahdeblah> OK - thanks. I hope it won't be considered rude to make an alternate answer to the FAQ. The one that's there just doesn't make sense to me.
16:55:16 <warlord> Sure. The wiki is there to be updated. ;)
16:55:43 * blahdeblah puts on his wiki editing fingers - thanks for the help, warlord
16:57:06 <warlord> you're welcome.
16:57:36 <warlord> It's quite clear to me that the 3-name scheme is "Liabilities:GST:Paid", "Liabilities:GST:Payable", and "Liabilities:GST:Payments"
16:58:08 <warlord> And the 4-name scheme is "Liabilities:Taxes:GST", Assets:Accounts Receivable:GST, Tax Expenses:Taxes:GST, and Liabilities:Taxes:GST:Deferred
16:58:58 <andrewsw> @tell andi5 okay... git officially rocks! git rebase -i HEAD~3 && edit && git-svn dcommit makes three local commits into one upstream. thx!
16:58:58 <gncbot> andrewsw: The operation succeeded.
17:01:43 <blahdeblah> warlord: I thought the 4-account scheme was referring to the overall account setup (Assets, Liabilities, Income, Expenses)
17:01:59 <warlord> Ummm.. no
17:02:23 <jsled> andrewsw: break it out .... whats -i do? What's HEAD~3 mean?
17:02:29 <jsled> (please)
17:02:34 <blahdeblah> warlord: OK - i might have another read of it in that light.
17:03:05 <andrewsw> jsled: -i == interactive, HEAD~3 means three commits back from HEAD...
17:03:21 <andrewsw> that means it gives you an editor with the last three commits listed and the choice of
17:03:45 <andrewsw> whether to use as is, or squash them together (instructions are provided in the comments of the editted file)
17:04:10 <andrewsw> so you "pick" the first and "squash" the other two.
17:04:25 <jsled> So, before then you were all committed up with local changes?
17:04:26 <chris> "git-rebase -i" is arguably the best part of git :)
17:04:28 <andrewsw> then you get another editor with all three commit messages lumped together... edit away and save.
17:04:38 <jsled> Then you interactively unwind your last 3 local commits.
17:04:54 <andrewsw> yes. Here is the flow:
17:04:56 <jsled> Then dcommit them up as a single commit.
17:04:56 <jsled> ?
17:05:01 <andrewsw> yup.
17:05:05 <jsled> Huh.
17:05:12 <andrewsw> flow: 1. checkout branch1.
17:05:19 <andrewsw> 2. hack hack hack
17:05:27 <andrewsw> 3. git commit -a
17:05:45 <andrewsw> 4. repeat 2 & 3 a bunch with different commit messages as you go.
17:06:08 <andrewsw> 5. checkout master; 6. git merge branch1; 7. git log
17:06:18 <andrewsw> 8. read 3 embarrassing commit messages
17:06:36 <andrewsw> 9. phew, git rebase -i HEAD~3... follow instructions.
17:06:45 <andrewsw> 10. git log -- read 1 nice neat commit message.
17:06:49 <jsled> Otherwise if you did dcommit, it would push them up separately? (I think I knew the answer to this at one point, but have since forgotton. :()
17:07:03 <jsled> Er... if you didn't do the rebase HEAD~3
17:07:15 <andrewsw> it looked like that, so rather than do that, I searched for and found this solution.
17:07:29 <andrewsw> I didn't actually try it, which is why there is only one change up on -changes right now ;)
17:07:30 <chris> yes.
17:08:15 <chris> there are also even better ways of accomplishing that "git commit -a" step.
17:08:45 <chris> like "git-add -i" and git-gui.
17:09:23 <jsled> Hmm. What version of git?
17:09:29 <chris> which make it easy to keep on coding while you're on a roll, and then sort out the diff hunks into nice commits afterward.
17:10:19 <chris> jsled: personally, I'm using 1.5.4.rc0
17:10:53 <chris> but I just build "master" every so often which is pretty conservative.
17:10:54 <jsled> `git rebase -i HEAD~2` complains here with 1.5.2.5. Seemingly -i does not exist.
17:11:14 <chris> hmm, might want 1.5.3
17:11:29 <andrewsw> I'm on 1.5.3.7 works here.
17:12:19 <andrewsw> jsled: the before & after http://pastebin.ca/824323
17:12:42 <jsled> Ah. It seems that I setup to use master in the first place, rather than a branch, for my local commits.
17:13:26 <chris> jsled: it would work that way, too.
17:13:35 <chris> jsled: your master is not the remote master
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17:14:09 <jsled> though when I try `git rebase HEAD~2`, it says "Current branch master is up to date."
17:14:49 <andrewsw> cstim will yell at me for putting cruft and functional changes in one commit. :(
17:15:38 <chris> jsled: you forgot the -i
17:15:46 <jsled> -i doesn't exist. :)
17:15:59 <chris> semantically, it's completely different
17:16:10 <chris> syntactically, even.
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17:16:23 <jsled> heh.
17:16:40 <jsled> Well, I'll have to figure it out later, I guess. Need to run errand, then get back to work.
17:17:22 <andrewsw> do we have a new backport bug to block?
17:17:37 <warlord> Yes, I think there's a 2.2 backport bug
17:17:45 <andrewsw> or use the same one
17:19:07 <andrewsw> oh I see... use the same one...
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18:09:56 <dbreiser> 2.2.2 is segfaulting on launch under Mac OS X 10.5.1/Intel. I don't have a crash report/backtrace yet.
18:10:14 <jsled> :(
18:10:17 <dbreiser> damn. The one combination I couldn't test myself
18:10:42 <dbreiser> but I talked my wife into letting me leopardize her macintel laptop tonight
18:11:14 <dbreiser> I may get a backtrace from one of the fink users reporting the problem sooner than I can create one myself.
18:11:19 <dbreiser> we'll see
18:24:27 <warlord> good luck
18:25:41 <dbreiser> thanks.
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19:14:22 <dbreiser> OK. Here's the limited backtrace http://www.pastebin.ca/824486
19:14:47 <dbreiser> Mac OS X 10.5.1, Intel gnucash 2.2.2 from fink
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19:37:15 <dbreiser> Hmm. Quickbooks Mac autoupdate deletes all files on users desktop, and it takes Intuit a day after confirming the bug to shut the server down. yikes.
19:52:17 <andrewsw-afk> yikes
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19:52:47 <andrewsw> that's practically criminal
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19:57:55 <dbreiser> there's a bunch of folks really unhappy, that's for sure.
19:58:19 <dbreiser> and Intuit's CEO is still on Apple's board.
19:58:37 * andrewsw shudders
19:58:44 <andrewsw> I"m so glad I left them behind.
19:58:48 <dbreiser> more users for gnucash?
19:58:54 <andrewsw> ;)
19:59:01 <andrewsw> heh. more bug reports...
19:59:12 <dbreiser> every time I tried Quicken, there was always an absolute show stopper
19:59:33 <dbreiser> I only use it now to try to figure out ofx stuff
19:59:52 <andrewsw> last time I used quicken, was my step-mom's machine, she couldn't get it to do something... I couldn't get over the constant advertising plastered all over it.
20:00:06 <andrewsw> so bad.
20:00:40 <dbreiser> I noticed they're planning/trying to get iPhone users to pony up $3/month for access to a Quicken compatible web app.
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20:00:55 <dbreiser> not meeeee
20:01:01 <andrewsw> no siree.
20:01:50 <dbreiser> rats. My clone won't boot.
20:02:20 <andrewsw> bugzilla really needs to add some horsepower.
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22:58:58 <fell> Good morning, has someone an idea, where I can find old log files of this channel?
22:59:14 <dbreiser> !logs
22:59:26 <dbreiser> hmm.
22:59:48 <dbreiser> ircbrowse.com/channel/fink
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23:02:34 <jsled> fell: http://svn.gnucash.org/logs/
23:02:38 <fell> Ok, I got it: previous it was http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/yyyy-mm-dd, now it is logs/yyyy/mm/yyyy-mm-dd
23:02:41 <jsled> It's in the channel topic.
23:02:49 <dbreiser> crap. wrong channel
23:02:50 <jsled> right.
23:02:52 <dbreiser> sorry
23:02:54 <jsled> dbreiser: heh.
23:04:05 <dbreiser> jsled: does the backtrace I pastebinned a while ago mean anything to you?
23:04:17 <jsled> looking.
23:04:21 <dbreiser> that one came when the user tried to open the sx editor.
23:04:31 <dbreiser> I'm thinkin' x11 issues.
23:04:51 <dbreiser> but I had to clone a drive twice tonight. so I'm behind
23:05:14 <fell> so now all links in old bugzilla entries and mail postings are going to nirwana.
23:05:34 <jsled> fell: hmm?
23:05:42 <jsled> Oh... to the logs?
23:05:57 <jsled> Well, it's a direct but not automated mapping.
23:06:18 <jsled> But, yeah, it'd be nice if there was some mod_rewrite magic in place there.
23:06:35 <fell> for example http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi links to http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2007-04-28.html#T02:49:12
23:07:01 <jsled> dbreiser: hmm. I wouldn't rule out that it was related to recent SX changes, but it's hard to see given what those changes were.
23:07:37 <dbreiser> Ok. The other user had the problem when he opened a new account list. But I didn't get a trace from him.
23:07:58 <dbreiser> I'll just have to bang on it myself as soon as I can
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23:21:24 <andrewsw> fell: took me a wile to figure that out too.
23:23:26 <fell> andrewsw, I got your comment and tried to remember, what happend in april.
23:23:41 <andrewsw> fell: which number again?
23:23:50 <andrewsw> or the topic?
23:23:59 <fell> 434055
23:24:08 <andrewsw> ah got it. thanks
23:26:38 <fell> my interim conclusio was: 1. placeholders shouldn't be selectable. 2 if the list is empty, because it only contain placeholder accounts, there should be a warning.
23:27:38 <andrewsw> 1. I don't disagree, otherwise, why bother with placeholders
23:28:06 <andrewsw> 2. not sure about that one. I guess, if there is no selectable account, that's a problem.
23:28:27 <andrewsw> but that is really separate from what I took the actual bug report to be about.
23:28:44 <andrewsw> btw, I'm onlyt triaging, this isn't one I'm in a position to actually fix...
23:29:28 <andrewsw> hmmmm... what account type was Asset:openinvoices?
23:32:17 <fell> I think, my error was, to create on the fly a new file and forgot to create a real account, so there was only asset, which was defined as placeholder
23:34:24 <fell> BTW: Some idea, why do I get an error: aclocal: couldn't open directory `m4': Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden (file or directory not found)
23:35:30 <andrewsw> sorry, lost my net for a second.
23:36:06 <andrewsw> ummm... yeah, as I review your report more, it looks to me like it was user error highlighted by the lack of warnings about placeholder accounts.
23:36:14 <andrewsw> is that an accurate description?
23:37:11 <fell> yes
23:38:19 <andrewsw> the I recommend that bu be closed as "NotABug" and a new one be opened that more accurately describes the placeholder account issue.
23:38:54 <andrewsw> probably as an enhancement against business component.
23:39:42 <andrewsw> as to the aclocal error, a recent change to the autoconf stuff causes this. I'm sure there is a way to fix it, but you need to re-run configure.
23:39:48 <andrewsw> at least that's what I did.
23:41:06 <fell> I did, but possible I should check it for warnings
23:46:09 <andrewsw> fell: I'm not sure. I don't really understand it except that you originally configured with some m4 direcorty that was subsequently removed. probably in changeset 16624.
23:46:38 <andrewsw> if you're really worried, you could checkout again.
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