2007-12-07 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:20:35 <andrewsw> evenin'
01:13:20 <andrewsw> okay. 'night all.
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01:46:10 <jpeach> There is a reported problem with the fonts (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350408) In 2.2.1 there is a new option in the preferences dialog to set the printing font. However, it does not work. Any suggestions?
01:46:11 <gncbot> jpeach: Sent 12 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, and 32 minutes ago: <warlord> well, i never needed it for my consulting company, so I never implemented it. Patches are always welcome, of course.
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07:48:47 <cstim> andrewsw-afk: re git-svn: If you want to send a diff to the mailing list, I think the outcome of git-format-patch is just as readable as git-diff. Also, there are a bunch of git users here already; I know of chris, andi5, /me.
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10:42:05 <jpeach> There is a reported problem with the fonts (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350408) In 2.2.1 there is a new option in the preferences dialog to set the printing font. However, it does not work. Any suggestions?
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10:44:48 <jsled> jpeach: Are you talking about the Printing tab in the preferences?
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10:47:36 <jsled> That sets the font for check printing, not report printing.
10:47:54 <jsled> jpeach: What distro are you using? What version of gtkhtml-3 is in use?
10:51:01 <jpeach> ubuntu 7.10 with gtkhtml 3.14
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10:53:32 <jsled> hmmm. gtkhtml 3.14 is supposed to fix the problem.
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10:55:08 <jpeach> Is there any place in gnucash where I can change the font to test it better? It is using the same font that it has for the last year or so (that is how long I have been using this great software).
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10:58:23 <jsled> I don't believe so; I think we delegate the font choice to gtkhtml entirely.
10:58:36 <warlord> I'm afraid that I dont think there's any easy way to change the report font
11:00:59 <jpeach> So, there is code to have a font choice... it just needs to be dug up and patched in?
11:01:17 <jpeach> Is it possible to edit the font in the style sheet?
11:02:06 <warlord> Well, keep in mind that gtkhtml doesnt support CSS
11:02:22 <jsled> I don't believe the stylesheets allow font control.
11:03:11 <andrewsw-afk> @cstim: thanks. I've got it sorted I think. now have git-svn at my desk at git on my lappy... nice! but git patches need a -p1 I think?
11:03:11 <gncbot> andrewsw-afk: Error: "cstim:" is not a valid command.
11:03:22 <andrewsw-afk> @tell cstim: thanks. I've got it sorted I think. now have git-svn at my desk at git on my lappy... nice! but git patches need a -p1 I think?
11:03:22 <gncbot> andrewsw-afk: The operation succeeded.
11:03:51 <jsled> There is a patch there to seemingly change the font used.
11:04:08 <jsled> I'm not sure what context it's expected to work in.
11:04:26 <jpeach> jsled: Tried it and it did not work. You are talking about the %gconf (something like that)?
11:04:57 <jpeach> jsled: It is supposed to fix invoices and vender bills.
11:05:04 <jsled> I'm talking about the patch in <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350408#c30>, which does seem to reference a gconf key, yes.
11:06:31 <jpeach> jsled: Actually, that should patch all gtkhtml dependencies
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11:23:34 <jpeach> jsled: I am a programmer with experience in Windows (yuck) with C++. Plus a linux programming using bash, perl, C. I have never worked on a project as large as gnucash and no experience with graphical programming in linux. My schooling is almost finished and I was thinking of giving back to the open source community. GnuCash is high on the lists of projects I am thinking about. What is a good place to start learning what I n
11:23:55 <jsled> jpeach: you got cut off at "learning what I n".
11:24:24 <jpeach> jsled:start learning what I need to know. Is there a book/web site etc that you can recommend
11:25:04 <jsled> hmm. Well, you'd need to be able to build gnucash, for a start.
11:26:07 <jsled> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Building can help there. We use auto* (automake, autoconf, &c.), so there are resources out there about figuring all that out, but you shouldn't need them.
11:26:43 <jsled> As for the UI stuff ... well, GTK is mostly straightforward. I know there are some books about it, but I'm not sure if they're any good.
11:27:28 <jsled> I'd suggest reading through <http://gtk.org/tutorial/>, and maybe browsing devhelp to get an idea of the breadth of the API.
11:28:14 <jsled> With respect to this issue, the other API you'd want to understand are Pango, GtkHTML and GnomePrint, primarily.
11:28:37 <jsled> Though really gtkhtml and gnomeprint, I think. Pango is mostly incidental.
11:28:58 <jsled> what sort of windows/c++ programming are you experienced with?
11:29:46 <jpeach> Thanks for the links
11:32:14 <jpeach> Visual Studio C++, Visual Basic. Mostly writing engineering software and data acquisition. Plus a large and complicated data entry application. A number of programs to access remote data. Some development also for the PalmOS
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11:39:53 <jsled> jpeach: well, like I say, GTK is pretty straightforward. The key to understanding it is to understand signals.
11:42:16 <jpeach> Are signals the same as the windows "Messages" I have a pretty good grasp of them.
11:44:22 <warlord> A signal is an event.
11:44:39 <warlord> It's probably similar to a win32 message, but I'm not a windows programmer so I couldn't really say for sure.
11:46:13 <jsled> It's really roughly similar.
11:46:19 <jsled> But, not really. :)
11:46:48 <jpeach> I hate telling people that most of my programming is in Windows. But that is what the world uses :(
11:47:00 <jsled> A signal is a named event with a callback list.
11:47:16 <jsled> So, GtkButton's "clicked" signal is a good example.
11:47:49 <jsled> You can connect a function pointer/callback to be called whenever the "clicked" signal is emitted, which occurs when the button is clicked.
11:48:23 <jsled> The function is expected to have a particular signature; in that case it's basically (GtkButton *widget, gpointer user_data)
11:48:28 <jsled> (or something; I might be forgetting)
11:48:58 <jsled> And, well, that's about all. When the signal occurs your code will run.
11:49:06 <jpeach> Messages are the same but without the callback list. They are generated by an object and then passed from object to object until some object claims it and acts on it.
11:50:05 <jpeach> Ok, I have used callback functions a lot in DAQ programming
11:50:06 <jsled> As I understood them, messages are all delivered to the window only, right? Or is there a hierearchy of objects that all receive messages?
11:50:50 <jsled> In any case, the gtk docs will cover the subject much better than I can. :)
11:51:14 <jpeach> They only go to windows but most things are windows. They get passed from an object to the parent of the object. Eventually they are handed to the OS.
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12:51:59 <warlord> hiya andrewsw
12:52:08 <andrewsw> morning!
12:52:15 <andrewsw> are you still left coasr?
12:52:17 <andrewsw> coast?
12:52:31 <warlord> yep.. for another week.
12:52:59 <andrewsw> wow! Sorry I have no excuse to go west, or I'd buy you a beer.
12:53:12 <warlord> no worries. it's the thought that counts.
12:53:17 <warlord> Actually, tomorrow I fly down to CA
12:53:48 <andrewsw> mmmm.... sunshine....
12:54:19 <warlord> Yeah...
12:54:26 <warlord> Actually, it's quite sunny here in YVR
12:55:23 * andrewsw clambers up to basement window...
12:55:26 <andrewsw> hey mee too!
12:56:03 <warlord> heh
12:56:53 <andrewsw> should I continue to mail patches? or just sit on them for the moment.
12:57:02 <andrewsw> (not a lot)
12:57:34 <warlord> Up to you.. if you want users to test for you, I'd suggest sending them.
12:58:12 <andrewsw> right.
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13:17:06 <warlord> okay.
13:17:32 <andrewsw> thx. :)
13:17:42 <andrewsw> muffy bought me a cake when I told her.
13:18:57 <warlord> Awww
13:19:30 <andrewsw> she quite literally said "Oh that's neat. Let's have cake!"
13:20:24 <warlord> :-D
13:22:23 <andrewsw> *g* sweet!
13:26:04 <warlord> yes indeed.
13:26:19 <warlord> jsled: Warning: 'post-commit' hook failed with error output:
13:26:30 <jsled> yeah, I saw that the other day, too.
13:27:30 <warlord> I wonder what's failing?
13:28:00 <jsled> yeah ... looking at the post-commit hook, there's the commit mails, but we're receiving those.
13:28:39 <jsled> Then, the hooks update, then the /home/nmz{,-beta} updates
13:28:58 <warlord> Maybe nmz is failing?
13:29:31 <jsled> perhaps; do you want to take a look, or should I?
13:32:32 <warlord> Actually, there's no reason it would be NMZ; I just performed a hook update.
13:32:48 <warlord> Maybe we just need an "exit 0"?
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13:33:18 <jsled> oh, perhaps. Maybe if/when svn got rev'ed in the os upgrade, it became stricter about that?
13:33:27 <warlord> Could be.
13:33:35 <jsled> Except, shouldn't the default return code of a script be 0?
13:34:05 <warlord> I dont know.. It might return the last return code of the last thing it ran..
13:34:34 <warlord> Well, doesn't hurt to try..
13:35:36 <andrewsw> where is a location to confirm the RSA key fingerprint of svn.g.o?
13:36:03 <warlord> Yep, that was it.
13:36:25 <warlord> andrewsw: Umm.. Dont think we have that info "available" easily.
13:38:01 <andrewsw> never had third party keys to deal with before, always only my own...
13:38:34 <warlord> Heh
13:38:53 <andrewsw> weee... there it goes!
13:40:07 <warlord> 1024 a0:66:d7:90:49:b5:b3:a1:d4:7c:07:23:64:25:d6:b2 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub
13:40:07 <warlord> 1024 73:7e:70:59:6d:ba:13:95:9e:6a:37:87:9b:10:ac:7b /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub
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13:41:29 <Semmi> hello
13:41:44 <jsled> hello
13:41:50 <andrewsw> warlord: that's it thanks!
13:41:58 <Semmi> is someone here, who can speak german?
13:42:00 <warlord> You're welcome.
13:42:08 <warlord> Semmi: unlikely.
13:42:18 <Semmi> ;)
13:42:51 <Semmi> ich habe 1-2 verständnisprobleme bzgl gnucash
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13:43:27 <warlord> you have 1 or 2 problems understanding gnucash?
13:43:45 <Semmi> yes
13:44:00 <warlord> wow, my german is better than I thought! ;)
13:44:08 <Semmi> :D
13:44:22 <warlord> (no idea what 'bzgl' means)
13:44:40 <Semmi> something like about or to
13:44:50 <Semmi> or with
13:44:52 <warlord> Anyways, what problems do you have? (please try English, because my German is... near nothing)
13:45:00 <Semmi> kk
13:45:17 <warlord> there's not a vowel in there.. how does one pronounce bzgl?
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13:45:27 <warlord> "bizguhl"?
13:45:28 <Semmi> when i set a periode, the results are not like i expect
13:45:32 <andrewsw> I was going to ask that too.
13:45:49 <Semmi> bzgl is aj shortcut
13:45:54 <Semmi> :D
13:45:57 <warlord> AH
13:46:10 <Semmi> bzgl = bezüglich
13:46:20 <andrewsw> wrt
13:46:36 <warlord> Okay, the period.. It's really not used for much except some reports.
13:46:50 <Semmi> but my problem is when i set a periode, for example 1.12 till today
13:47:53 <Semmi> i want only sho the resualt of out and incoming cash between this time periode
13:48:23 <Semmi> what is aufwendungen and erträge in englisch?
13:49:21 <andrewsw> I wonder if this is that same two-column income statement issue?
13:49:29 <warlord> erträge is Revenue
13:49:40 <Semmi> aufwendungen Expenses
13:49:44 <warlord> Right
13:49:55 <Semmi> erträge auch income
13:49:56 <warlord> (just found that in the translation)
13:50:08 <warlord> Sure.
13:50:13 <Semmi> my business englisch is terrible :(
13:51:15 <Semmi> how i can see profit of a spezial time periode
13:51:37 <Semmi> for example i want to see the profit of october
13:51:59 <chris> Semmi: you have to set the date range you want for each report.
13:52:37 <Semmi> which report should i take?
13:53:33 <andrewsw> in english the report is called Income Statement. Select "Options" button and enter the date range you need.
13:54:24 <warlord> Semmi: Gewinn- und Verlustrechnung
13:55:18 <Semmi> warlord i can not find it
13:56:18 <Semmi> andrewsw i think i did that allready, but then it shows me results that can not be right
13:57:08 <warlord> Semmi: it'll be under Berichte -> Erträge und Aufwendungen
13:58:23 <andrewsw> Semmi: can you describe what is wrong with the result?
13:58:25 <warlord> Then with the report up, click on the toolbar button labeled "Optionen"
13:58:47 <warlord> Then the page "Allgemein" in the options dialog.
13:59:07 <warlord> Then you can set the date and click "ok" or "apply"
13:59:33 <Semmi> i can not set a date
14:00:14 <warlord> what do you mean "can not set a date"?
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14:01:01 <Semmi> there is no option where i can set a date range
14:01:54 <Semmi> when set "default" and click ok, it crash
14:02:26 <andrewsw> the program crashes or the report crashes?
14:02:50 <Semmi> gnucash carash
14:02:53 <Semmi> crash
14:02:57 <warlord> CRASHES??
14:03:08 <warlord> Can you attach gdb and get a stack trace?
14:03:16 <Semmi> ?
14:03:29 <Semmi> sorry i dont understand
14:03:45 <Semmi> do you mean something like a bugreport?
14:04:10 <warlord> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backtrace
14:06:01 <warlord> Semmi: Like I said, when you clikc on the report options, it pops up a dialog. Then if you select the General page, there is a Start Date and End Date.
14:06:17 <warlord> The default settings are "Current Year Start" and "Today"
14:06:43 <warlord> When I click on Defaults and then click "Ok", it works just finef or me.
14:07:04 <Semmi> such a option i can not find in a report option
14:07:15 <Semmi> mayby a probhlem with the translation?
14:07:43 <warlord> Unlikely. What version of gnucash are you using?
14:08:43 <warlord> Could you show a screen shot of your report options dialog?
14:09:21 <Semmi> 2.2.1
14:09:45 <warlord> okay..
14:09:56 <Semmi> is in the ubuntu repository
14:10:08 <warlord> right.
14:10:12 <andrewsw> is that gutsy-gibbon?
14:10:41 <Semmi> no
14:10:42 <Semmi> 7,10+
14:10:46 <Semmi> 7.10
14:11:03 <Semmi> but it can be also gutsy
14:11:17 <Semmi> i dont no the strange names only the version number ;)
14:11:25 <andrewsw> right. thx.
14:12:06 <Semmi> mom i upload the screenshots
14:12:16 <warlord> thanks
14:12:17 <Semmi> then i stack trace
14:13:47 <warlord> For the stack trace, i think the best bet would be to file a bug report.
14:17:09 <Semmi> warlord i send u the screenshots
14:17:16 <warlord> Ah..
14:19:02 <warlord> Semmi: you're running a BUDGET report. Not the Income Statement
14:19:12 <andrewsw> heh
14:20:13 <Semmi> :D
14:21:20 <Semmi> ok
14:21:35 <Semmi> but at the budget report it crashes anyway
14:21:58 <Semmi> also the income statement is not so detailed
14:22:10 <warlord> they are very different reports.
14:22:46 <warlord> They are giving you very different information
14:25:04 <Semmi> i think i must talk with someone who can speak german or my english must become better..
14:25:07 <Semmi> anyway
14:25:16 <Semmi> i have backtrace the crashes
14:25:53 <warlord> Could you file a bug report on that, please?
14:25:54 <Semmi> i started with "gnucash-env gdb gnucash-bin" that i typed into the console
14:25:58 <warlord> @op andrewsw
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14:26:10 <Semmi> then i let it crash
14:26:11 <warlord> okay.
14:26:18 <Semmi> then i typed "backtrace"
14:26:22 <andrewsw> Semmi: there is a german mailing list: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-de
14:26:23 <Semmi> what now?
14:26:54 <jsled> Semmi: presuming that you now are looking at a backtrace, maybe pastebin it? <http://pastebin.ca/>
14:28:00 <jsled> andrewsw: are you registered with gncbot?
14:28:11 <andrewsw> jsled: how so? not that I know of.
14:28:49 <jsled> /msg gncbot help user register
14:28:54 <jsled> For help.
14:29:02 <andrewsw> thx
14:29:07 <Semmi> http://pastebin.ca/808609
14:29:16 <jsled> ("/msg gncbot list user" for other user-prefix commands, like "identify")
14:29:43 <jsled> Once you're registered, we can give you the auto-op capability, iirc.
14:29:52 <warlord> Semmi: right, you're running the budget report, but you don't have a budget.
14:30:03 <Semmi> so it crash?
14:30:23 <warlord> in this case, yes.
14:30:29 <warlord> it's a bug.
14:30:55 <Semmi> but known?
14:33:40 <warlord> It's been seen before. Still, you should file a bug report. See http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bugzilla
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14:34:28 <jsled> already exists. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=489083
14:35:19 <Semmi> but who i can use bugzilla? i have it installed...but who i started?
14:36:36 <Semmi> who=how
14:36:37 <Semmi> -.-
14:42:04 <jsled> Semmi: I'm not sure what you're asking; if you want to create a bugzilla account, you can; it's not linked to gnucash at all.
14:42:15 <jsled> But that bug does already exist, so you don't need to file another one.
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14:43:56 <Semmi> but when it would not be exist, how i can report a bug and use bugzilla?
14:44:27 <warlord> Semmi: see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Bugzilla
14:44:33 <jsled> Or go to <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/> and enter the bug?
14:44:34 <Semmi> i am new at linux and only understand it, because ubuntu is so easy ...
14:45:26 <Semmi> there i paste the output of the console after the backtrace
14:45:27 <Semmi> ?
14:46:34 <warlord> yes
14:46:40 <warlord> But you do not need to in this case.
14:47:25 <Semmi> ok
14:47:35 <Semmi> thank you for your help
14:47:52 <warlord> You're welcome.
14:48:08 * warlord has to go now.. network going away and need to get food. Later guys.
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14:50:37 <andrewsw> jsled: do I identify everytime I reconnect? or will it just recognise me (static ip).
14:51:40 <jsled> I believe it will auto-identify based on hostmask/ip.
14:52:17 <andrewsw> cool. let's see... later
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14:53:42 <andrewsw> sweet!
14:53:50 <andrewsw> I'm so easily amused...
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15:21:10 <andrewsw-afk> I'm off. later guys
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15:46:35 <cstim> .
15:46:48 <cstim> gncbot: ping
15:46:48 <gncbot> pong
15:47:21 <cstim> gncbot: no message from andrewsw-afk for me?
15:47:21 <gncbot> cstim: Error: "no" is not a valid command.
15:47:27 <cstim> gncbot: too bad.
15:47:27 <gncbot> cstim: Error: "too" is not a valid command.
15:47:47 <cstim> gncbot: gncbot-shut-up
15:47:47 <gncbot> cstim: Error: "gncbot-shut-up" is not a valid command.
15:47:55 <cstim> oh, is it not?
15:48:18 <jsled> @notes cstim:
15:48:18 <gncbot> jsled: Sent 4 hours and 44 minutes ago: <andrewsw-afk> thanks. I've got it sorted I think. now have git-svn at my desk at git on my lappy... nice! but git patches need a -p1 I think?
15:48:34 <jsled> (the trailing ':' threw it off. Stupid bot.)
15:49:09 <cstim> andrewsw-afk: re git patches: You mean for applying patches into your git repo? I always use git-am for this - it simply groks all files that were written by git-format-patch.
15:49:19 <cstim> jsled: yeah, I saw it now.
15:55:08 <cstim> @tell jpeach Glad to hear you'd like to start coding on gnucash. As you're coming from a Visual Studio background, I must warn you that the whole build process and project management works rather differently in gnucash (with the "autotool": automake, autoconf) compared to MSVC.
15:55:08 <gncbot> cstim: The operation succeeded.
15:55:59 <cstim> @tell jpeach Do you have the opportunity to program gnucash on a Linux box, at least for the first few days? It will be *much* faster to get it up and running.
15:55:59 <gncbot> cstim: The operation succeeded.
15:56:49 <cstim> @tell jpeach On windows, we're really emulating the build environment that we are used to on Linux, so going from Linux-development to gnucash-on-win is actually easier than going from (normal) Windows-development to gnucash-on-win.
15:56:49 <gncbot> cstim: The operation succeeded.
15:57:09 * cstim wonders whether jpeach will return at all. Whatever.
16:41:28 <cstim> still no new baby here. /me is waiting.
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19:10:01 <andrewsw> jsled will be first on the gallows when the bots take over...
19:10:26 <jsled> heh
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19:15:47 <warlord> heheh
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22:36:58 <andrewsw> hiya.
22:37:45 <andrewsw> so... should I commit that patch that's sitting there for advanced-portfolio?
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22:38:18 <andrewsw> I'm tentative and don't want to overstep my new found *power* (mwahahaha)^W
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23:12:21 <warlord> if you think it's working better, feel free to commit it to svn.
23:12:34 <warlord> You can always incrementally improve it there..
23:12:39 <warlord> (dinner for me)
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23:12:52 <andrewsw> yeah, you wouldn't have given access...
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