2007-12-03 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:39:04 <warlord> Anyone wanna hear a small-world syndrome?
00:44:27 <warlord> I was having trouble connecting to the network in my hotel room, so I called tech support. I told the guy I was running linux (when he said "go to the start menu") and then he started giving me directions by specifying "if you're runnig gnome, do X, if KDE, do Y..."
00:44:34 <warlord> Impressed the HELL out of me!
00:45:28 <warlord> Anyways, he got me working and all and asked me if I used gnome or KDE, and then when I said Gnome asked if I'd heard of gnomefiles.org.. Apparently he wrote the gnome Alarm Clock applet.
00:45:56 <warlord> Well..... Then I told him that I was a main contributor to GnuCash.. (actually, I asked him "have you heard of GnuCash?" and he said yes, he uses it)
00:46:03 <warlord> Anyways, he literally gasped on the phone.
00:46:29 <warlord> For a while..
00:46:44 <warlord> It was kinda cute, after a fashion.
00:47:36 <warlord> so he set me up with a week-long login so I shouldn't have any more issues in my room. Yay.
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04:11:34 <develog> I'm trying to setup accounts based on the account plan EU-BAS 2007. According to this Equitys and Liabilities constitute one account. My problem here is the type. Does anyone know how I can create a new account type called "Equitys and Liabilities"?
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09:01:56 <warlord> develog: adding a new account TYPE is a lot of work. Is this really an Equity Account or a Liability? Or is it the parent of a bunch of other accounts?
09:02:46 <develog> it is the parent.
09:17:26 <warlord> Huh!
09:17:36 <warlord> So you need an account type that can hold both Equity AND Liabilities?
09:20:14 <warlord> I dont think there's any account type that can hold Equity and Liabilities.
09:21:01 <warlord> I suggest you file an enhancement request and supply all the information about the EU-BAS 2007 (like, links to an English copy of the document)
10:03:17 <warlord> Gotta run. I'll be back online in a bit.
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10:37:02 <develog> warlord: thanks, OK, I will try to find an English version of it and file an enhancement request.
10:37:25 <jsled> I beleive tehre is one, already.
10:37:44 <jsled> one minute, please...
10:38:23 <jsled> Oh, of course, gnome bugzilla is super-slow.
10:38:55 <jsled> In any case, I believe there's a bug for the enhancement that would allow the BAS account structure. This issue came up last year, as well, IIRC.
10:39:25 <warlord> We would need a new account type to support it. :(
10:39:30 <jsled> Ah, right: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421766
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11:03:22 <warlord> I'm thinking we might want an API: gboolean xaccAccountIsA(const Account*, GNCAccountType); that gives us "class structure" information for account "sub-types"
11:04:00 <warlord> (I suppose this could also be (GNCAccountType, GNCAccountType) but that's less relevant)
11:04:44 <warlord> For example, xaccAccountIsA(acc, ACCT_TYPE_ASSET) would return true for ASSET, BANK, CASH, STOCK, MUTUAL...
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13:15:42 <andrewsw> yay! The network is alive!
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13:40:35 <warlord> Yes indeed.
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14:46:36 <cstim> hi all
14:47:54 <andi5> hiho cstim :)
14:47:56 <andrewsw> hi cstim
14:52:14 <chris> hey cstim.
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15:15:01 <gnucash> I just installed Xubuntu Hardy Alpha 1. When I tried to install GnuCash 2.2.1 with Synaptic, it said it needed libgoffice 0.4.x and the only one available is 0.5.x. I tried various copying and renaming, but couldn't satisfy it. I'm not good at compiling.
15:15:16 <jsled> talk to Xubuntu?
15:16:22 <andrewsw> gnucash: *Alpha* Its a packaging problem in Xubuntu. look for and/or file appropriate bug. or enable some additional repositories
15:16:59 <gnucash> Thanks. Do you know a repository that might work?
15:17:46 <andrewsw> gnucash: nope. Debian here. but maybe you could pull it from Hardy-1 repositories.
15:18:46 <gnucash> Well, I just install the Xubuntu Hardy distro, so it has the Hardy repositories in it. The problem is that the library has too high a release number from what gnucash is looking for.
15:19:43 <jsled> gnucash: right. I don't think 2.2 will build against goffice-0.5, but IIRC there are fixes in SVN.
15:20:02 <andrewsw> gnucash: yes. its a packaging problem. They have upgraded the available libgoffice without fixing all the dependencies. That's what you get with an Alpha release.
15:20:07 <jsled> It should be the case that goffice-0.4 and -0.5 can co-exist on the system. So, Xubuntu will need to install both.
15:20:42 <gnucash> OK, thanks, guys, I'll go fiddle some more. At least I still have my older system to boot for gnucash. :)
15:20:55 <andrewsw> gnucash: you'll have to get libgoffice from somewhere else.
15:21:35 <andrewsw> gnucash: you could download the .deb from that old install and copy it over and dpkg -i it.
15:22:04 <gnucash> OK, I'll try that and see if it picks up the dependencies. Thanks for your help.
15:22:14 <gnucash> Bye.
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15:49:20 <warlord> FreeCash?
15:49:59 <andrewsw> kn00Ca$h
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15:50:57 <andrewsw> heh. in my world is no-cash...
15:51:03 <andrewsw> s/is/it's
15:51:22 <cstim> you heard of that polar bear baby in the Zoo of Berlin?
15:51:24 <cstim> KnutCash
15:52:20 <andrewsw> new logo: a small, cute bear in bowtie and tails with wads of cash poking out of the pockets.
15:56:08 <cstim> here's a recent newsbit about that bear: http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,519742,00.html
15:56:31 <cstim> see ya
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16:16:31 <andrewsw> what should I do about guile indenting in emacs? what do you guys want to see?
16:16:37 <andrewsw> 8-space tabs?
16:17:14 <andrewsw> paren-aligned indenting?
16:18:45 <andrewsw> oops. gotta go! later
16:18:48 <andi5|afk> andrewsw: only spaces and paren-aligned indenting, i would say
16:19:20 <andrewsw> andi5|afk: okay. I'm afraid I'll end up with a "whole report" patch due to indenting tweaks.
16:19:25 <andrewsw> whitespace changes.
16:19:43 <andrewsw> IOW, emacs default scheme indenting.
16:19:53 <andi5|afk> andrewsw: is not there a chance to split the changes into single patches?
16:19:56 <andi5|afk> like one for formatting only
16:21:10 <andrewsw> yes. I'm not changing formatting arbitrarily. But there are enough changes that it's worth re-indenting the whole file. I'll save that til later though.
16:22:01 <andi5|afk> andrewsw: unless it is easier for you to work on a correctly indented file :)
16:22:38 <andrewsw> that also raises another issue for me. I'm a firm believer in commit-early-commit-often, but lacking commit access (and not deserving of it) I tend to
16:22:51 <andrewsw> keep on plugging here and I'm going to end up with a pretty massive patch.
16:23:29 <andrewsw> ISTM better that way than pushing lots of little changes up to the -devel knowing there will be many more to follow.
16:23:41 <andi5|afk> andrewsw: full ack...
16:24:11 <andi5|afk> andrewsw: in case that makes decision easier: do you only need access to the one report?
16:24:27 <andrewsw> at the moment yes.
16:25:34 <andi5|afk> i see... i am all for it, i will make a proposal later today
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16:26:15 <andrewsw> I'm not asking! Just want to know what is best for you guys in terms of submitting wholesale changes to reports (now that I'm way down the road).
16:27:05 <andi5|afk> andrewsw: i would definitely prefer cleanly separated commits and i bet commit access will make that more likely to happen
16:27:42 * andi5|afk is still afk, btw
16:27:46 <jsled> heh.
16:27:53 <andrewsw> sure he is.
16:28:14 <andrewsw> well. I don't think I deserve it, byu any stretch. But I really have to go too, so I'm out. back later.
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