2007-11-11 GnuCash IRC logs
00:08:38 <dbreiser> what does inlining a function do, anyway?
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00:58:07 <dbreiser> seems like deleting G_INLINE_FUNC from SplitP.h solved my problem. Still need a test from an intel mac, though.
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11:19:48 <PMadej> warlord told me to make correction invoice (with negative total value) with sth like unposting and posting it once again but i have no idea what that would do? anyone knows that hack?
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13:20:56 <PMadej> hello, anyone knows how to restore deleted entry in "account lots"
13:21:38 <PMadej> i deleted it accidentally yesterday (and have no idea when exactly) and today i cannot unpost my invoice
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13:22:25 <PMadej> this part of gnucash is not documented anywhere (on wiki some concept page but no guide or manual)
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13:51:42 <chris> andi5!
13:51:48 <andi5> yes?
13:52:09 <chris> I was just in the middle of an "@tell andi5 ..."
13:52:12 <andi5> hehe
13:52:39 <andi5> i am having difficulties to connect to irc.gnome.org today... too many folks are sharing my class :-(
13:53:00 <chris> It wouldn't surprise me at all if the G_INLINE_FUNC were totally incorrect.
13:53:08 <andi5> hehe
13:53:22 <andi5> the one or all of them?
13:54:31 <chris> IIRC, those functions used to be marked for inlining in some way that wasn't portable, and G_INLINE_FUNC may have been an incorrect replacement that "fixed" the problem accidentally by not inlining.
13:54:55 <chris> If one of them is wrong, I doubt any of them are correct.
13:55:18 <andi5> yeah... and usage of that macro is "strongly discouraged"...
13:56:01 <chris> and we never use G_IMPLEMENTS_INLINES
13:56:03 <andi5> i have to admit that i do not even understand how it might work on some platforms :-)
13:56:06 <andi5> yep
13:57:14 <andi5> so shall i remove all of them?
13:57:37 <chris> probably. especially if they cause problems.
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13:58:28 <chris> I can't see that they'd be any significant use these days anyway.
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13:58:45 <andi5> hm... it is kind of weird that only one occurrence was bugging dbr...
13:59:17 <andi5> btw, svn2cl is a nice way to learn xslt :-)
13:59:23 <PMadej> hmm some live is visible :)
14:00:00 <warlord> Ahh, there we go.
14:00:05 <PMadej> hey guys, i got a problem with lots, i accidentally deleted invoice entry in lots window and now i cannot unpost my invoice
14:00:07 <warlord> andi5: I see that you backported a bunch of stuff.
14:00:26 <PMadej> is it possible to restore that entry somehow?
14:00:32 <warlord> PMadej: Yep, you just shot yourself in the foot.
14:00:36 <warlord> Umm... Go to a backup data file?
14:01:21 <PMadej> hmm it didnt asked if i know what am I doing :(
14:01:46 <andi5> warlord: yep... is that ok for you?
14:02:17 <warlord> andi5: ABSOLUTELY!
14:02:21 <andi5> great :-)
14:02:40 <warlord> PMadej: yeah, well.. The Lot Viewer is an "advanced feature" -- you're expected to know what you're doing.
14:02:51 <andi5> i have started recording our changes so far and i will try to get pending patches from the ml's as well in the following days
14:03:06 <warlord> I'm afraid you found a way to shoot yourself in the foot.. And I guess you pulled the trigger. Sorry.
14:03:25 <warlord> andi5: sounds good. Thank you. I just havent had time.
14:04:04 <PMadej> warlord: well this feature isn't documented anywhere so i didn't know how to use it and how to not
14:04:10 <andi5> :-D
14:04:56 <warlord> PMadej: it's not documented because it's not ready for usage.. but it was accidentally left into a couple releases..
14:05:14 <warlord> So.. Like I said.. Go back to a backup and start over.
14:05:42 <PMadej> are .xac and .log files backup files ?
14:08:58 <warlord> .xac are backup files. .logs are transaction logs.
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14:23:51 <PMadej> restore successful but loosed some transactions
14:24:16 <PMadej> warlord: are there any additional features which i shouldn't touch ? :D
14:24:30 <warlord> Anything non-documented. ;)
14:24:55 <warlord> And yes, you'll have lost transactions by going to a backup, but that's the nature of a backup -- you dont have anything done SINCE the backup.
14:25:09 <PMadej> yes that is clear for me
14:25:34 <PMadej> but i have to ask now how to do sth like this:
14:26:13 <PMadej> i got 2 bills paid on one transaction. as i read on wiki i need to pay a/p account not a bill so i've done this
14:26:39 <PMadej> i also make action payment and in memo vendor name
14:27:04 <PMadej> this tranaction got then locked but i have those bills on my due remainder list
14:27:55 <warlord> what do you mean "make action payment"?
14:28:05 <PMadej> i've done sth in lots window (no idea what) before deleting those entries and then those bills where cleared from due reminder
14:28:20 <warlord> "sth"?
14:28:41 <PMadej> in register in cell action i choosed payment
14:28:50 <warlord> If you pay two bills to the same vendor at the same time, just Process Payment for the total you paid and gnucash will (should) apply that payment to both bills.
14:29:02 <warlord> Oh, yea, that doesn't work. You must "Process Payment"
14:30:04 <PMadej> ok ill try this way
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14:31:42 <PMadej> warlord: that worked :) thank you very much
14:31:56 <warlord> You're welcome.
14:32:01 <sags> hello. Does anyone know how I can dump the contents of a ledger/account to a text file?
14:32:16 <sags> Export only seems to export account names, but perhaps i'm doing something wrong
14:32:53 <sags> [PS thanks for a great piece of software, I've been using gnucash for years and haven't looked back, esp. love the recent enhancements to scheduled transactions]
14:33:09 <PMadej> as noone from polish gnome translation team answered if someone is doing translation, i'll do it for me (and others also) so next release should have at least 75% of gnucash translated
14:34:22 <warlord> sags: run an Account Transaction Report from the register's Report menu; and then you can Export (from the toolbar) that report to a file.
14:34:29 <warlord> PMadej: excellent.
14:34:47 <andi5> PMadej: nice!
14:35:12 <sags> warlord: thanks I'll give that a go
14:35:27 <PMadej> warlord: yesterday you gave me some tip how to make correction invoice with negative totals but i unfortunatelly do not understand what should i do step by step
14:36:42 <warlord> Unpost the invoice, make the correction, then repost it.
14:36:45 <andi5> PMadej: you might also want to think about adding polish account trees :-)
14:36:59 <sags> warlord: that seems to work. Is it possible to define my own export format ? (e.g. csv)
14:37:16 <sags> iirc many years ago I had to learn some lisp to write a report, is that still the case?
14:37:29 <PMadej> warlord: so we didnt understood eachother
14:37:58 <warlord> sags: um, write a report that outputs the format you want?
14:38:08 <sags> warlord: yes
14:38:26 <PMadej> i bought an 2 items from vendor and then one sold and one returned, so vendor gave me correction invoice with negative values (as i returned item)
14:38:37 <PMadej> and i need to track this invoice as a bill
14:39:08 <warlord> sags: that's the answer to your question; that's what you would need to do.
14:39:27 <sags> see the question i asked after that:
14:39:36 <sags> <sags> iirc many years ago I had to learn some lisp to write a report, is that still the case?
14:39:43 <warlord> Yes.
14:39:50 <sags> great thanks
14:39:57 <sags> sorry if i'm being annoying
14:39:58 <warlord> PMadej: you cannot input a negative value..
14:40:00 <PMadej> andi5: i got lot of daily work so i cannot tell you if i will manage to do this until next release but i think that i can do it sometime in near future
14:40:13 <warlord> er, the invoice/bill TOTAL cannot be negative.
14:40:13 <PMadej> warlord: i saw that error :(
14:40:19 <andi5> PMadej: sure
14:40:21 <sags> Is dropping a .scm file into the same dir as the others all I need to do?
14:40:46 <PMadej> warlord: thats a bug from my point of view :(
14:40:48 <warlord> sags: not exactly, you also need to get it loaded.
14:41:07 <sags> warlord: is there some docs i can read on how to do that?
14:41:08 <warlord> PMadej: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350199
14:41:23 <warlord> sags: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Custom_Reports
14:42:55 <sags> thank you
14:43:30 <sags> I wonder whether it'd be good to have some sort of open source repository where people can contribute reports
14:43:57 <sags> I'm sure a CSV export is something that many ppl would want to do
14:43:57 <warlord> sags: pretty much any report that's been written has been re-distributed as part of the next gnucash release.
14:44:04 <sags> ah
14:44:16 <PMadej> warlord: at the moment i dont use any of tax features but the idea from that bug is near to my needs
14:44:16 <sags> so i should look in your source repository rather than trying to re-invent the wheel?
14:45:08 <warlord> PMadej: well, gnucash still doesn't support it now; the only thing you can do is process a payment and then adjust the accounts, or unpost/edit/repost the bill.
14:45:21 <warlord> sags: yes, but there is no CSV export right now.
14:45:43 <PMadej> warlord: atm i will probably need to make those vendor bills as mine invoices to those vendor (negative value which i should pay is in reality his payment to me)
14:45:53 <sags> okay, well i might have a peek at the next version anyway, is the account file backwards compatible?
14:46:10 <warlord> HUH? "invoices to that vendor?
14:46:17 <warlord> sags: of course.
14:46:28 <warlord> actually... MOSTLY
14:46:41 <warlord> If you have any SXes, you can't go back.
14:47:02 <PMadej> sorry for my english but i financial english is new to me
14:47:11 <sags> SXexs ?
14:47:23 <sags> stock exchanges?
14:47:28 <sags> (bad guess i know)
14:47:38 <warlord> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ
14:47:48 <warlord> Or.. More accurately... http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_.22SX.22_thing_I_see_on_the_lists_and_IRC_periodically.3F
14:48:06 <sags> thanks
14:48:13 <sags> I guess I'll keep a backup incase i need to go back
14:48:20 <warlord> Always a good idea.
14:49:07 <PMadej> let me explain once more: i got bill from vendor gross total value -$100.00 so he have to pay me those $100, as the gnucash does not support such bills i will need to make an invoice and vendor name as a client with total value $100
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14:50:29 <PMadej> but i worry if that hack wont make my accounts too complicated
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15:24:18 <cstim> good evening all
15:24:26 <andi5> hiho cstim :)
15:25:10 <cstim> andi5: I've been working on solving an integral today all day, but couldn't find the solution.
15:25:30 <andi5> i doubt i will be able to solve it then :)
15:26:01 <cstim> andi5: like to hear it? I have the solution, but I need the find the way how it's achived.
15:26:07 <andi5> yep
15:26:08 <cstim> no integral excercise recently?
15:27:02 <cstim> \int_0^\infty e^{-x} ( \int_{\sqrt{2xA}}^\infty e^{-t^2/2} dt ) dx
15:27:14 <cstim> the solution is:
15:27:55 <cstim> \sqrt{2\pi} 1/2 (1-\sqrt{ \frac{A}{1-A} })
15:28:03 <cstim> where A is some positive constant
15:28:14 <andi5> 2xA?
15:28:23 <cstim> 2 \cdot x \cdot A
15:28:30 <cstim> x is the outer integration variable
15:29:00 <andi5> how can it be the upper limit of the outer int then?
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15:29:42 <cstim> so, I've two definite integrals. The outer one is in x and runs from 0 to \infty, the inner one is in t and runs from \sqrt{2 x A} to \infty.
15:29:56 <andi5> oops... i did not read the infty :-)
15:30:00 <ArcRiley> is it possible to use a custom currency without patching the source?
15:30:24 <cstim> ArcRiley: no, not if you want your currency denoted as "currency" as opposed to "stock"
15:30:36 <ArcRiley> "stock"?
15:31:39 <cstim> "shares"
15:32:11 <ArcRiley> hmm
15:32:15 <cstim> andi5: the textbook said as hint "you should interchange the order of integration"
15:32:33 <ArcRiley> and then it seems to send me into having to define it as a stock symbol
15:32:37 <cstim> andi5: but I don't understand how this can be done, as the limits of the inner integral depend on the outer integration variable
15:33:30 <cstim> andi5: but just for kicks, maybe this relation is being used during the calculation: \int_{-\infty}^\infty e^{-x^2/2} dx = \sqrt{2\pi}
15:34:07 <cstim> ArcRiley: yes, that's what I meant. That is the option offered by the program (without patching the source).
15:41:20 <ArcRiley> I guess the latter is an option, just sucks to have to patch every upgrade too
15:43:37 <ArcRiley> are the parameters for gnc_commodity_new documented?
15:45:42 <cstim> ArcRiley: http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/HEAD/group__Commodity.html#g8eb6ddcc03285a0e8371024ece5cb734
15:46:02 <cstim> in fact, they are. I'd have guessed 60/40 they are not, but I was surprised to see they are.
15:47:38 <ArcRiley> awesome :-)
15:47:53 <ArcRiley> actually though it looks like the .c is generated from the .scm
15:49:33 <cstim> yes
15:50:17 <andi5> cstim: sorry, i was distracted.... continuing...
15:50:45 <ArcRiley> hmm is there a plugin structure or some way to execute gnc_commodity_new without modding the source?
15:51:26 <ArcRiley> because all we really need is to add 2-3 currencies, such as liberty dollar and porc creds
15:55:00 <cstim> ArcRiley: no, you can't add a plugin so that you would *never* have to patch the source on upgrade. The current "plugin" architecture is only used for modules whose names are hard-coded.
15:55:14 <ArcRiley> ah
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15:55:17 <cstim> ArcRiley: Either you patch the .scm file and add your currencies there
15:56:38 <cstim> ArcRiley: or, well, there are some scheme files like ~/.gnucash/foo-bar (I forgot the name) which are executed at startup. If it were possible to execute gnc_commodity_new from there (and adding the currency to the respective list), then you'd be done. But I doubt this would work.
15:57:42 * cstim is curious what andi5 will say...
15:58:24 <andi5> cstim: well, i am kind of lazy :-) ... taking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fubini%27s_theorem , your integral should be something like int_0^\infty ( \int_0^(t^2/(2A)) ( e^-(x+t^2/2) ) dx ) dt
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15:58:50 <iMax> hi
16:00:56 <andi5> cstim: just imagine that you are integrating over the area above the curve describing the solution of t=\sqrt{2xA}
16:01:32 <iMax> I am using a german version of gnucash and I want to import a qif files with categories which have german umlauts. gnucash does not seem to recognize them. is there anything I need to configure to make this work?
16:02:55 <warlord> ArcRiley: ~/.gnucash/config.user
16:03:10 <ArcRiley> ok
16:04:33 <warlord> PMadej: Just "process payment" for that extra $100, and then (if you want), re-point the transaction so it goes from Expense->A/P instead of from Checking -> A/P
16:05:00 <warlord> iMax: translate the qif file from ISO-8559 to UTF8
16:05:57 <andi5> iMax: recode l9..u8 $file should do the trick
16:06:18 <cstim> iMax: gnucash doesn't have that feature. See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=396665
16:07:30 <andi5> cstim: does that make any sense to you?
16:08:10 <iMax> ok thanks.
16:08:11 <iMax> hmm
16:09:32 <iMax> what I actually do is parse a cvs file from my online banking account through a perl script to produce the qif file. I guess I could do the different encoding in perl right? (this is not my perl script)
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16:10:26 <iMax> andi5: I am on Windows, not sure if there is something to recode, is there?
16:10:54 <cstim> andi5: yes, I'm writing... Most importantly, it reminds me that I don't recall the correct way of dealing with the definite integral limits when interchanging the order of integration.
16:14:41 <warlord> iMax: not sure how to recode it on windows.
16:15:23 <iMax> warlord: ok, thanks. I am looking into doing it directly in perl then
16:16:08 <warlord> Not sure how to do it there, either.
16:16:34 <iMax> hehe, me neither, but my good old friend google might know ;-)
16:17:18 <andi5|afk> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/recode.htm
16:18:01 <iMax> andi5|afk: thanks, might try that as well
16:20:24 <cstim> andi5|afk: Thanks a lot. You saved my weekend :-) I owe you a beer (or whatever you prefer)...
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16:29:08 <andi5|afk> great :-) ... see ya
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16:40:55 <warlord> okay, gotta run. ttyt all
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20:43:36 <WeeJay> Can someone explain to me what is "Imbalance-USD" and how is it calculated? I just imported in a QFX file, and it shows a negative balance, confusing the heck outta me
20:44:13 <jsled> The Imbalance-USD account is for splits that aren't properly placed into an account.
20:44:43 <jsled> Since the engine requires that they're in *some* account, they get put in the Imbalance account rather than the more appropriate Asset, Income or Expense account.
20:44:56 <jsled> If you see that after import, it suggests that you didn't do account mapping during the import process.
20:46:26 <WeeJay> I did import it correctly into an account that I created from scratch
20:47:04 <WeeJay> let me try it again and hopefully you can help me out?
20:47:21 <jsled> Maybe, I've not used the OFX importer.
20:47:33 <jsled> When you say "account [...] scratch", do you mean a new datafile, or a new Account/
20:47:34 <jsled> ?
20:48:10 <WeeJay> new account
20:48:30 <WeeJay> ok im gonna start from scratch, as in new datafile and new account.
20:49:00 <jsled> At some point in the import, you selected that new account, then, I take it. Did you also select relevant Expense accounts for transactions?
20:49:09 <WeeJay> do you recommend going through the new datafile wizard that lets me add accounts like mortgage etc or just create a simple bank account
20:49:37 <jsled> I recommend the new-hierarchy druid, mostly for the rich Expense account tree.
20:50:02 <jsled> The "common accounts" template sets up a good datafile, though.
20:51:03 <WeeJay> Im using the new hierarchy setup druid, at im at the page where I can specify opening balance
20:51:24 <WeeJay> if I am importing quicken file, do I need to specify a balance?
20:52:01 <jsled> they're unrelated. You should setup an opening balance if you want one, but it doesn't relate to import.
20:52:22 <jsled> (you can also change the opening balance later; they're just normal transactions with the right timestamp)
20:52:35 <jsled> (against Equity:Opening Balances)
20:52:49 <WeeJay> ok. ill continue without specifying a balance.
20:53:12 <WeeJay> Ok I see my initial hierarchy created. now I will import the quicken file
20:53:41 <WeeJay> Now I am at the "Select Account" screen.
20:54:08 <WeeJay> I have selected Assets >> Current Assets >> Checking Account
20:54:30 <jsled> This is a QFX file? You're using the OFX importer, right?
20:54:36 <jsled> (just double-checking)
20:54:42 <WeeJay> yeah
20:55:00 <WeeJay> now im at the Generic Import transaction matcher
20:55:23 <WeeJay> I am not sure what the "A" and R columns correspond to
20:55:43 <jsled> If you (mouse-)hover over them, do you get a tooltip?
20:55:44 <WeeJay> under info its says "New, UNBALANCED (need acct to transfer $$$)!"
20:56:18 <WeeJay> negative. no tooltip
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21:04:38 <WeeJay> Ok I just don't get it. This is pretty sad. GnuCash looks like a good straightforward software, and I am convinced its me and my lack of knowledge of such software.
21:05:25 <WeeJay> I don't understand why if I am importing something and it clearly states I have a positive balance, why does the Imbalance-USD show a negative balance
21:05:38 <jsled> Don't worry about the sign.
21:05:47 <jsled> Imbalance-USD should always be zero.
21:05:53 <jsled> So, the sign shouldn't matter. :)
21:06:21 <jsled> Double-entry account can appear to play tricks with what's considered a debit and a credit.
21:06:35 <WeeJay> well its not zero and that gets me. When I go into reconcile mode, and it tallying up in's and out's, there really is a difference. and I don't know how that is.
21:06:45 <jsled> At some point, there is a way to specify that, say, using your debit card at the grocery store should go against "Expenses:Groceries".
21:07:08 <WeeJay> is there any good novice level documentation on this
21:07:12 <jsled> You should do that during the import, so the importer can learn about the mappings; on subsequent imports, it will auto-match.
21:07:31 <jsled> It doesn't appear that either the user manual or concepts guide covers import.
21:07:39 <WeeJay> :-(
21:07:42 <jsled> (But you should read the Tutorial and Concepts Guide, anyways)
21:09:05 <WeeJay> Ok reading the basics now....I just figured that I'll figure it out but I underestimated the complexity
21:09:13 <WeeJay> thanks for your help jsled
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21:09:37 <jsled> Well, the control to change the account mapping for imported transactions should be somewhat obvious.
21:09:41 <jsled> it might not be.
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23:07:50 <imperito> Hello
23:12:35 <imperito> Question, if I've got an "account summary" page with dates, descriptions, and amounts, is there a reasonably simple format I could convert that to such that gnucash could import it? (All the transactions are going from the same account to the same account)
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