2007-11-10 GnuCash IRC logs
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01:28:31 <[0x100]> I need some hits how to use gnucash to manage a rental property. Ideally, I'd like to not create an invoice and post it to accounts receivable, then receive payment against it
01:28:37 <[0x100]> s/hits/hints/
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01:29:22 <warlord> You could just have an Asset account and do it all manually.
01:29:23 <[0x100]> I'd like to just wait for checks and then receive payments. The problem with this is that it then posts negative to my accounts receivable
01:29:41 <[0x100]> oh, i guess so.... just enter into the ledger
01:29:59 <warlord> Right
01:30:14 <[0x100]> that would be too simple... give me something more complex to work with ... lol
01:30:23 <warlord> And a negative receivable is a GOOD thing -- it means people pay you more than they owe you! ;)
01:30:28 <warlord> :-D
01:31:03 <[0x100]> instead of asset, shouldn't it be posted to income->rent or something like that
01:32:49 <[0x100]> I guess I could also post the entire lease term amount to accounts receivable and receive against that
01:34:36 <warlord> Well, normally it's Income -> A/R; A/R -> Checking.
01:35:05 <warlord> If you're purely cash based, and don't want to keep track of how much your customers owe you, you can just to Income -> Checking directly.
01:35:21 <[0x100]> yes, i'm cash based
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01:37:40 <[0x100]> lots of ways to do this now that I look at it.... need to ask my accountant what she wants to see :)
01:38:01 <warlord> yep.
01:38:07 <warlord> that's the right answer.
01:44:36 <warlord> okay, bedtime for me
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01:52:01 <dbreiser> woohoo. xchat works in Leopard. And I've figured out how to make sure fink installed versions can get to finance-quote
01:52:12 <dbreiser> even if the users mess with extra perls
01:53:02 <dbreiser> time to crash.
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04:14:02 <PMadej> hello, is there any possibility to make a bill which is correction invoice (aka return of bought stuff) and it have negative total value
04:14:39 <PMadej> gnucash shows alerbox that total invoice value cannot be negative (for me those values are valid)
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05:48:00 <warlord> PMadej: do it as a Payment.
05:48:11 <warlord> OR... Unpost and repost the invoice...
05:51:38 <PMadej> i'll test it once i will be back
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12:34:11 <rjeffries> hello
12:36:58 <rjeffries> is Gnucash approximately equaly to Quickbooks in terms of handing a small business?
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19:46:01 <dbreiser> chris: you really here?
19:46:26 <andi5> hi dbreiser
19:46:33 <dbreiser> hi andi5
19:46:48 <andi5> i would like to talk with you about perl :-)
19:46:53 <dbreiser> ok
19:47:17 <dbreiser> what I'm doing now is forcing /usr/bin/perl everywhere
19:47:50 <dbreiser> as long as I can do that reasonably easily, I'll stay happy about that
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19:48:09 <dbreiser> It solves several problems in fink installs
19:48:22 <andi5> i am not sure i understood you correctly... what i meant is that currently we use "/usr/bin/perl" and "@-PERL-@ -w" (which is replaced while running make by what configure determined) as shebangs, where we call "perl -w" with gnc-fq-{helper,check} from within gnucash
19:49:05 <dbreiser> the "perl -w" in price-quotes.scm is the biggest problem
19:49:06 <andi5> i proposed to make the shebangs "/usr/bin/env perl -w" ...
19:49:38 <andi5> is the perl first in PATH not the one you want to use?
19:49:43 <dbreiser> nope.
19:49:56 <andi5> nope as no or yes? ;-)
19:50:11 <dbreiser> the problem is that fink lets users put another fink in /sw, which ends up first in path
19:50:39 <dbreiser> and if I've installed finance-quote and its dependencies for the system perl, the fink perl interferes
19:50:47 <andi5> what if we checked a environment variable, like $PERL?
19:50:54 <andi5> s,a,an,
19:51:11 <dbreiser> that would work, because I'll set PERL and PERL_PATH during configure
19:51:38 <andi5> will you stay around here for a while?
19:52:19 <dbreiser> I think I have to go out for ice cream soon, but I'll be back in a bit. My daughter came in third in a chess tournament today :)
19:52:37 <andi5> cool :-D
19:53:03 <andi5> will you try a patch for me then? (i will have to make one first though)
19:53:09 <dbreiser> I'm also battling glib and G_INLINE_FUNC problems in OS X 10.5. so I'll be gnucashing a lot tonight
19:53:13 <dbreiser> certainly
19:53:17 <andi5> yeah, i read about that.... weird
19:53:29 <andi5> are you sure this is not a known glib bug?
19:53:51 <dbreiser> it's a known glib problem with the new Apple build tools
19:54:18 <dbreiser> and fink is still a couple glib versions old (2.12.12)
19:54:58 <dbreiser> I can try it with 2.14 when the current issue at least settles down.
19:55:13 <andi5> btw... i have no clue about macos, so.... do you prefer fink or macports? :)
19:55:37 <andi5> from my point of view G_INLINC_FUNC is inline is inline, but well...
19:55:38 <dbreiser> I like fink because they're more careful about backward library compatibility
19:56:18 <andi5> what is the difference from the users point of view?
19:56:21 <dbreiser> and fink also allows building outside fink's tree while using fink libraries as dependencies
19:56:42 <dbreiser> fewer things break when stuff is changing quickly
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19:56:55 * andi5 is asking dumb questions, but hey
19:57:00 <dbreiser> if you update all in macports, it's easy to end up with a broken gnucash
19:57:07 <andi5> eek...
19:57:18 <dbreiser> gotta go. bbiab
19:57:22 <andi5> ok, see you
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20:10:42 <andi5> dbreiser-afk: http://pastebin.ca/768995
20:15:18 <chris> dbreiser-afk: off and on.
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20:21:57 <andi5> chris: in http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/changeset/13363 you last touched (move from Split.c) this function mark_split marked with G_INLINE_FUNC.... reading http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-Miscellaneous-Macros.html#id3094521 (sorry about my thinko above), i wonder why we need that macro at all... any idea?
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20:29:01 <dbreiser> andi5: great. I'll give it a try. I may have to reboot to system 10.4 if my older glib causes pain
20:29:20 <andi5> dbreiser: any idea what to do with the script shebangs?
20:29:38 <andi5> dbreiser: you might also try to remove the G_INLINE_FUNC completely
20:29:50 <dbreiser> no idea on shebangs.
20:30:22 <dbreiser> how does one remove it? just delete the letters and replace them with nothing?
20:30:55 <andi5> yeah, make the v the first letter of the line
20:31:35 <dbreiser> I'll try it
20:32:05 <dbreiser> chris: the changelog from a couple years ago mentioned you were going to remove several G_INLINE_FUNC declarations
20:32:50 <dbreiser> chris: do you have any words of wisdom in that regard? (I need to get rid of one because Apple has changed their devel tools.)
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20:36:33 <foo> jsled: ping
20:36:43 <jsled> pong
20:36:48 <andi5> good
20:40:21 <jsled> foo: there's no need for pm... no, I've not mentioned SCALE to anyone, yet, unfortunately.
20:40:43 <jsled> foo: if you like, you could send a message to gnucash-devel.
20:40:46 <foo> jsled: Oh, ok :)
20:41:29 <foo> jsled: Hmm, anyone else in here to talk to about this? I'm not on that mailing list, but I suppose I could be - if you think that's the best way and there is hope :)
20:42:36 <jsled> There might be, but I'm not sure. I think I mentioned before most devs are on the east coast (and Europe), but a couple of us travel to CA for work; I'm out here right now, in fact.
20:43:06 <jsled> So, it'll take a fair bit of coordination to get our schedules aligned; we're also both up in the bay area, so it'd be a bit of a trek down.
20:43:17 <foo> ah
20:45:05 <foo> jsled: Well, I don't want to force anything on you guys :) If you're interested in having a booth and your a dot org, I don't think it costs... and if you're willing to give a talk, I believe they'll pay. The Call For Papers is on the site, socallinuxexpo.org under Conference Info. I'm not official on staff for doing things like this, just know they're looking for people and I pop in here every once in a while :)
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20:57:29 <contents> Hello all. Pardon this extremely noobish accounting question--can anyone tell me how I should make an account to keep track of money that I am owed, but have not received?
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21:02:36 <jsled> contents: informally, http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_How_do_I_account_for_loaning.2Fborrowing_money_to.2Ffrom_a_friend.3F
21:02:45 <nbinont-afk_kill-9pdeng> it's an asset account you are looking for: http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/guide/accts-types1.html
21:02:48 <jsled> more formally, look in the tutorial and concepts guide about the business features.
21:03:02 <jsled> heck of a nick, nbinont-afk_kill-9pdeng.
21:03:21 <nbinont-afk_kill-9pdeng> lol...reflects my sentiments atm
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21:03:48 <jsled> contents: generally, what you're after is a "Asset-Receiveable" account.
21:04:18 <contents> jsled and nbinont-afk_kill-9pdeng: thanks very much. I wasn't sure if it was assets, because I don't actually have the money.
21:04:34 <andi5> nbinont-afk_kill-9pdeng: i suppose you are still building nightly builds?
21:04:53 <jsled> (pdeng?)
21:05:19 <andi5> not me
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21:06:02 <contents> jsled: is there a special thing I should do to create an "Assets-Receivable" account? Should the account have any special function other than the name?
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21:06:32 <a01234567890123456789012345678901234567> 38? That's a strange limit.
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21:07:02 <andi5> do not you think it is 40?
21:07:10 <andi5> see, you started with a and 0
21:07:22 <jsled> SO I DID.
21:07:43 <jsled> contents: if you're using the business features, I believe so. Best bet is to do File > New > New Account Hierarchy, then select the business account template to get it to setup the accounts.
21:08:12 <jsled> If you're going informally, then just make it any Asset account type.
21:08:30 <jsled> 40 is also a strange limit.
21:08:43 <jsled> But I always choose powers of 2 for length limits, because I'm silly.
21:08:57 <contents> ok, thanks jsled
21:10:07 <jsled> you're welcome
21:10:28 <andi5> yeah, you are silly ;-)
21:11:49 <andi5> btw... GnuCash-Tabelle (GnuCash Sheet) does not sound right to me.... *grrrr*
21:12:54 <andi5> but now i can click on gnucash files, unless `file` tells nautilus rather to regard it as text/xml :-( :-)
21:14:14 <jsled> Yeah, that's been a long-standing bug in the mime-info db, I think.
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21:26:14 <andi5> jsled: do english folks prefer "GnuCash Document" or something else?
21:26:58 <jsled> I'd probably go with "Accounts" or "Data".
21:27:07 <jsled> "Transactions"?
21:27:29 <jsled> (people seem to think the transaction data is separate from the accounts for some reason.)
21:28:04 <andi5> GnuCash Finances?
21:28:25 <jsled> That's fine.
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21:46:54 <dbreiser> andi5: I'm finally building with your patch. had to build a personal swig
21:47:08 <dbreiser> fink finally updated to 1.3.31, but uses guile 1.8
21:47:24 <andi5> is that bad?
21:47:56 <dbreiser> I've avoided guile 1.8 because some distros have had problems with it. and 1.6 works for me. why risk breaking it?
21:48:11 <dbreiser> problems with gnucash and guile 1.8, that is
21:48:15 <andi5> yep
21:48:49 <dbreiser> man, doing a clean system install is a real pain...
21:49:09 <dbreiser> I keep finding things I forgot I installed myself
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22:16:02 <andi5> hm... i wonder what icons should be used for these "GnuCash Finances" files?.... e.g. compare the gnumeric app icons and the sheet-a-like used for the docs...
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22:33:55 <dbreiser> andi5: your patch doesn't work for me in the case where a fink user installs a newer- or older-than-system perl
22:34:38 <dbreiser> I'd rather price-quotes.scm stayed as it was, and I can patch it in the packaging file
22:34:50 <andi5> why that? i suppose you exported "PERL=/some/path/to/perl"?
22:35:55 <dbreiser> I did that during configure, but I want the finance-quote module from system perl, and the user can too easily defeat that link
22:36:10 <andi5> i do not understand... gnucash currently spawns perl, i.e. the first perl in the PATH, no matter what your packaging file does, unless you patch price-quotes.scm from there ;-)
22:36:53 <dbreiser> I patch price-quotes.scm to ask for /usr/bin/perl
22:36:56 <andi5> dbreiser: i meant while starting gnucash
22:37:04 <warlord> Does it spawn "perl", or AC_PATH(perl)?
22:37:10 <andi5> the primer
22:37:37 <andi5> the latter will not work on windows
22:37:41 <warlord> why not?
22:37:55 <dbreiser> I don't know. What I did was play fink-user and install an older perl in fink and then try to retrieve quotes. doesn't work
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22:38:28 <andi5> dbreiser: cannot you export PERL within the gnucash startup script?
22:39:02 <dbreiser> andi5: I suppose I could do that. a bit simpler patch.
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22:39:14 <andi5> warlord: because you can install perl anywhere on windows... you cannot be sure it is at the same position like it was for the package builder....
22:41:19 <andi5> warlord: that is why i suggested http://pastebin.ca/768995
22:45:00 <dbreiser> andi5: adding export PERL=/usr/bin/perl to the gnucash script works for me
22:45:58 <dbreiser> now to try un-inlining _mark_split
22:46:10 <andi5> 'k
22:46:24 <contents> Hey all, I've got a business question. I have several clients that I expect to receive a certain amount from each month (a different amount for each). Some people sometimes pay less than they owe. Is there a way for me to input what they have paid, and then automatically generate (into an "accounts receivable" account) how much they still owe, based on what they should have paid?
22:48:20 <warlord> andi5: yeah, I think something like that could work.. but it would be nice to be able to automatically use the results of AC_PATH_PROG(perl) on Windows/Mac
22:48:25 <warlord> er, Unix/Mac
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22:48:56 <warlord> contents: of course. Process Payment for the actual payment amount, then run a Customer Report.
22:49:08 <warlord> (or a Receivable Aging report for a total by Customer)
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22:51:33 <contents> warlord: thanks. I am looking in Help for Process Payment, but I can't find it. Could you give me a hint on how to do that?
22:54:37 <contents> warlord: I think I found it by doing a search on "payment". It says I have to have an "accounts payable" account. I'm going to try this out. Thanks!
22:54:54 <andi5> warlord: i am not sure how to reliably detect the operating system from guile :-( ... in gnc-test-env i have used the environment variable "OSTYPE" that is set by msys...
22:58:58 <andi5> [ot] does anyone have an idea why nautilus shows text/plain for a gnumeric sheet? even `file` knows that it is XML :-)
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23:26:41 <dbreiser> A good sign. removing the g_inline_func from SplitP.h didn't break my build with one version of glib, and since it's gone, it shouldn't blow up with the fink-tweaked glib, either.
23:26:44 <dbreiser> time to test
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23:45:43 <nbinont_kill-9pdeng> @tell andi5 yes, I'm still doing the nightly builds
23:45:43 <gncbot> nbinont_kill-9pdeng: The operation succeeded.
23:49:45 <nbinont_kill-9pdeng> jsled: yes, pdeng, a google search gives all the gory details
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