2007-11-06 GnuCash IRC logs

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00:35:51 <sydbarrett74> hi everyone, i'm trying to compile 2.2.1 on osx (leopard) and am getting an error about missing GLIB >= 2.6 when i run configure
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00:45:12 <andrewsw> sydbarrett74: I don't do mac, but what version of glibc do you have?
00:45:32 <sydbarrett74> what is the command to find that out again?
00:45:48 <sydbarrett74> pkg-config right?
00:45:53 <andrewsw> heh. I don't do mac...
00:46:04 <andrewsw> oh, maybe
00:48:42 <dbreiser> sydbarrett74: are you using either fink or macports for dependencies?
00:48:58 <sydbarrett74> both actually
00:49:06 <sydbarrett74> is that liable to screw things up?
00:49:08 <dbreiser> ooh. a brave man
00:49:11 <dbreiser> it can
00:49:42 <dbreiser> though the biggest problem is not knowing which packager supplied which dependency
00:50:05 <dbreiser> macports updates libraries with less care for backwards compatibility
00:50:20 <dbreiser> but their gnome is much more recent -- for a few more weeks
00:52:37 <dbreiser> if you 'fink install perl586' then 'fink install gnucash2' I think it should work ok
00:52:57 <dbreiser> I need to fix a couple things in the fink packaging file, and I don't have commit access
00:53:14 <dbreiser> maybe I can use the Leopard crush to convince them to let me commit.
00:53:52 <sydbarrett74> let me try that
00:55:02 <dbreiser> you might want to mv /opt/local somewhere while you're building in fink
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12:05:04 <MARS> hello everybody
12:05:09 <Shael> Hello!
12:05:50 <MARS> i have heard that other financial programms can access directyl ebay and paypal account so i wonder if that is possible for GnuCash too ??
12:06:37 <warlord> I believe so.
12:07:12 <MARS> do you know how to do it or do you know somebody who could help me with that ?
12:08:04 <warlord> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect_in_GnuCash_2
12:08:10 <warlord> and http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/OFX_Direct_Connect_Bank_Settings
12:13:17 <MARS> Great thank you very much for the fast reply
12:14:16 <MARS> i think i will try that i just thought that i only can set up hbci access but it seems that other protocols are supported too great thank you
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12:32:32 <warlord> Yep.. We need to change it to "Online Banking Setup"
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13:17:21 <MARS> yes that would match it but i still try to setup my accounts now i dont know which server i should use for my bank
13:17:31 <MARS> is that just the webadress ?
13:19:06 <warlord> nope, you need to find the specific OFX URL for your bank
13:22:18 <MARS> ok it seems that the author of the backends used for the connection is german so maybe he knows how to set it up easily
13:23:08 <warlord> Maybe.
13:23:31 <warlord> I mean, yes, he is german. MAYBE he knows how to set it up. You should ask on the gnucash-user list first.
13:42:00 <donfede> hi warlord (and chris if your around), I spent a while last night reviewing the gnucash budget code (about 50% done, have yet to hit the main gui stuff). I have a list of about 1/2 dozen budgeting improvements, some of which I am happy to try to implement myself. would posting my comments and ideas to the gnucash-devel list be the best way proceed?
13:47:53 <warlord> donfede: sure.
13:53:00 <MARS> thank you for the help warlord i will do that
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14:20:54 <chris> donfede: go for it!
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14:28:15 <PMadej> hello
14:28:36 <PMadej> is here any developer of gnucash?
14:29:32 <PMadej> i wanted to talk a bit about translation to polish language
14:29:49 <warlord> ask away
14:37:02 <PMadej> well i got 2.2.1 and it is very partly translated, so i wanted to know if there is some translator but he do not finished translation till release or there was someone on some old version (aka 1.8 series) and nowadays there is noone to translate it to polish lang
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14:46:23 <warlord> PMadej: this would be po.pl?
14:46:35 <warlord> er, pl.po?
14:46:40 <PMadej> yes
14:46:51 <warlord> Looking at that file:
14:46:56 <warlord> "Last-Translator: GNOME PL Team <translators@gnome.pl>\n"
14:46:58 <warlord> "Language-Team: Polish <translation-team-pl@lists.sourceforge.net>\n"
14:47:01 <warlord> So you should talk to them
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14:53:11 <Harley^> Howdy :)
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14:53:54 <andrewsw> hi
14:54:16 <Harley^> In the GnuCash Documents it does not discuss Inventory. How do I add and look after inventory items ?
14:54:34 <andrewsw> inventory is not tracked in gnucash. its an oft-requested feature.
14:54:54 <andrewsw> although you can certainly track the *value* of your inventory.
14:55:16 <Harley^> Arg ! Is there an inventory program that works with GnuCash ?
14:55:22 <warlord> You could also use the "Stock" feature to sort-of mimic an inventory database, but honestly, gnucash doesn't track inventory.
14:55:38 <andrewsw> what are you trying to track inventory wise?
14:56:24 <warlord> Harley^: none that I know of.
14:56:30 <Harley^> No. The requirement is to add inventory items and track them along with the sales accounting portions of the stock
14:56:45 <warlord> How many items?
14:57:04 <Harley^> warlord: 850 items
14:57:19 <Harley^> Sorry 855 items
14:57:21 <warlord> Yeah, I think you'll find that gnucash isn't the right tool.
14:57:47 <warlord> The setup time would be a while, to create 855 Stock Items and their associated 855 (or more) accounts.
14:58:00 <andrewsw> ouch
14:58:12 <Harley^> hrmm. yikes
14:58:40 <warlord> Like I said, gnucash really isn't the right tool for that.. Unless you're looking to become a developer, in which case.. "Welcome!" :-D
14:58:41 <andrewsw> if you're dead set on gnucash, you'll have to track it externally and just update the book value of the inventory.
14:59:09 <Harley^> Developer ? I don't write code ! LOL !
14:59:27 <warlord> Oh, that's too bad.
14:59:38 <andrewsw> its the bees knees!
14:59:49 <Harley^> Is there another open source tool that can be used ?
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15:02:07 <PMadej> what could cause such behaviour of gnucash? when i go to vendor report and choose vendor then liability account and save changes to report options i got blank report and after i open next time options window i got choosed first liablity account not that i choosed before saving settings for report
15:02:48 <Harley^> bbl :)
15:02:55 <andrewsw> good luck Harley^
15:03:07 <warlord> Harley^: I'm afraid I dont know
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15:03:13 <Harley^> Seems like I'll need it :)
15:03:28 <Harley^> l8r :)
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15:03:44 <warlord> PMadej: How did you open the report the second time?
15:05:16 <PMadej> i've done it that way: open report, open settings window change setting save and it refreshed, and was as before and opened once more options window and looked at what was saved
15:05:45 <warlord> PMadej: right...... and how did you open the report the second time?
15:06:26 <PMadej> well every time when i close report tab i open it from reports > bussines > vendor report
15:08:50 <andrewsw> PMadej: saving a report creates a new custom version of the report. The old vendor report stays the same.
15:08:51 <warlord> Right, and that's NOT the report you saved -- that's the original report.
15:09:01 <warlord> Try Reports -> Custom -> ...
15:09:52 <PMadej> warlord: i do not use for now my custom reports and havent saved any as a template
15:10:45 <warlord> PMadej: well... if you haven't saved the report then yes, when you close it your settings are lost.. And when you run the report it always goes to the default settings.
15:10:50 <warlord> This is how it is supposed to work.
15:11:12 <warlord> if you want to remember your settings then you have to save the report.
15:11:26 <PMadej> i use Reports>Bussines>Vendor Report then i click on settings button change vendor and liability account and click save button
15:11:35 <PMadej> on the report i see vendor i chosed but the table is empty
15:12:01 <PMadej> then i click once more report settings button and see there wrong liability account choosed
15:12:08 <warlord> "Save" just saves the data file. You want to click "Add Report" to remember your report settings.
15:12:45 <PMadej> but i got add report button inactive now
15:12:59 <warlord> Right -- you have to change the report name before you can save it.
15:14:06 <warlord> (and you'll have to change it any time you want to re-save the settings)
15:14:58 <PMadej> i think we dont understand each other
15:15:17 <PMadej> you think that i loose my settings because i close report tab
15:15:41 <PMadej> and dont save report with my choosen name, yes?
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15:17:30 <PMadej> i'll try to explain it another way
15:17:38 <andrewsw> PMadej: when you say "click save button" do you mean the button on the top left of the main window or the bottom right of the settings window?
15:17:46 <PMadej> yes
15:17:57 <PMadej> ektm bottom right
15:18:05 <PMadej> of settings window
15:18:31 <andrewsw> okay, that only changes the settings for the current run of the report. those settings are lost when that report tab is closed.
15:18:32 <PMadej> i only change report settings and then save those settings not the whole file
15:18:41 <PMadej> andrewsw: i know that
15:18:49 <andrewsw> okay. just clarifying.
15:18:56 <PMadej> but those changes dont change
15:19:17 <PMadej> i choose vendor and his liability account
15:19:27 <PMadej> and save report settings
15:19:33 <andrewsw> okay, so you are selecting a liability account but that is not reflected properly in the report?
15:19:50 <PMadej> i got then vendor name in header of report but table is empty
15:20:30 <PMadej> then i go to settings once more and there is wrong liablity account choosed and when i change it for valid save button is inactive :(
15:21:10 <andrewsw> this seems familiar. brb
15:21:44 <andrewsw> PMadej: are you running with a polish locale?
15:21:48 <PMadej> yes
15:22:23 <andrewsw> what version?
15:22:45 <PMadej> 2.2.1
15:22:58 <PMadej> from ubuntu packages
15:23:29 <andrewsw> crap. bugzilla is not responding.
15:23:54 <andrewsw> there is a report from a french user who was getting similar behavior when using the french locale, but not when using LOCALE=C or something like that.
15:24:03 <andrewsw> but I can't remember the specifics.
15:24:53 <PMadej> andrewsw: i'll check with C locale now because i got this report visible last friday but have no idea what i've done
15:25:47 <andrewsw> its worth a shot. sorry I can't check the specific bug with bugzilla not responing.
15:26:28 <PMadej> but he found solution or the bug is open ?
15:26:35 <andrewsw> bug is open.
15:27:06 <andrewsw> and I'm not sure what the specifics were, but I know it was a report not honoring some setting in french locale
15:27:18 <warlord> that just seems... weird.
15:27:39 <andrewsw> indeed.
15:27:54 <PMadej> well if that help ... LC_ALL=C does not helped
15:28:11 <PMadej> but in my liability account name i have polish diacritical sign
15:28:25 <andrewsw> sorry. :(
15:28:36 <warlord> That shouldn't matter, but it might. What happens if you change the account name?
15:29:31 <PMadej> well ... report is visible with what i wanted it to show
15:31:12 <warlord> Then what's the problem?
15:31:27 <PMadej> the problem is more complicated
15:31:35 <warlord> Note that you have to choose an A/P account, not any general Liability account.
15:32:04 <PMadej> warlord: that is correct but in my liability account i got polish sign
15:32:19 <PMadej> but i've found that it was not that what cause it
15:32:37 <warlord> Did you figure it out?
15:32:42 <PMadej> the choosed account after name change was the first in a/p list accout
15:33:06 <PMadej> when i changed other account name to be the first one
15:33:19 <PMadej> i tried to see report for that firstly changes
15:33:22 <PMadej> *changed
15:33:36 <PMadej> and now we are at start - empty report table
15:34:14 <PMadej> to be clear i got B and C liablility accounts and under them some a/p accounts
15:34:50 <PMadej> when b is first and i choose first a/p under it i see data
15:35:49 <PMadej> but when i change C to A in settings an A is first and its first a/p account is choosen as a report import data
15:36:13 <PMadej> am I clear to understand?
15:36:37 <warlord> Unfortunately, no.
15:37:08 <PMadej> hmm :( some screencast will be needed
15:37:11 <warlord> First, you generally only need a single A/P account... (one per currency)
15:37:28 <warlord> Second, you need to choose the A/P account into which you posted your bills.
15:37:53 <PMadej> but i want to have different a/p account for tracking my actual liablities to different vendors
15:38:25 <warlord> You dont need multiple A/P accounts for that.
15:38:36 <warlord> The business/vendor system does that tracking for you automagically
15:39:10 <warlord> Just run the Payables Aging Report and it will show you who you owe.
15:39:11 <PMadej> @2 i try to choose it but it every time it uses first a/p account under first liability account
15:39:37 <warlord> Multiple A/P accounts isn't well tested because, frankly, you shouldn't be doing it that way.
15:39:53 <andrewsw> warlord: I've got it. He's choosing a second a/p, running report. that works.
15:40:08 <andrewsw> but when you go back into options, the account resets to the first in the list.
15:40:14 <warlord> PMadej: into which account did you post bills for this vendor?
15:40:30 <warlord> It does?
15:40:35 <warlord> That sounds like a bug.
15:40:41 <andrewsw> yup.
15:40:47 <andrewsw> just verified it.
15:40:48 <warlord> It shouldn't reset.
15:40:54 <warlord> Huh. WEIRD.
15:41:07 <warlord> Well, like I said... multiple A/P's not heavily tested.
15:41:12 <warlord> (I never tested with more than 1)
15:41:22 <PMadej> well i got 2 a/p accounts under 1 liablity account
15:41:39 <andrewsw> I wonder how many multi-curreny users haven't bothered to report it ;)
15:41:44 <PMadej> but as i track payments for two firms i got 2 root level liablity accounts
15:42:03 <warlord> PMadej: you dont need to do that.
15:42:10 <PMadej> andrewsw: i use only once currency
15:42:18 <warlord> PMadej: then you only need one A/P account
15:42:30 <andrewsw> PMadej: I understand, but its a bug that multi-currency users would see.
15:43:16 <PMadej> warlord: ok ... but how then track my payments for particular vendor from for example firm1 ?
15:43:33 <andrewsw> warlord: when bugzilla comes back I'll file a report, if not already there.
15:43:44 <PMadej> because now i got 2 different liability:a/p accounts pairs and see it clearly
15:43:59 <warlord> PMadej: I already answered that.. The Payables Aging Report.
15:44:28 <warlord> andrewsw: okay.
15:45:59 <andrewsw> PMadej: you post all your payables to the same a/p account and the Payable Aging Report will show you each vendor and the amount owed.
15:46:08 <PMadej> warlord: I am the owner of two firms (Mine1 Mine2, i buy things from 1 vendor and i need to track how much i have bought to Mine1 and how much to Mine2
15:46:42 <andrewsw> you can then click on the amount each vendor owes to run a vendor report for that vendor.
15:46:42 <warlord> Ah, for THAT you need two data files.
15:47:27 <warlord> You need two vendor orders (one bill Mine1 -> Vendor1, one bill for Mine2 -> Vendor1)
15:47:58 <PMadej> yes i do so and got Mine1Liablities:a/p and Mine2liabilities root accounts
15:48:12 <PMadej> and adding new bill for that accounts work great
15:48:34 <PMadej> but not the reports
15:49:34 <PMadej> i got many transfers between those firms so using one file is hardly easier to manage
15:50:10 <warlord> Well, it's clearly a bug.
15:50:23 <andrewsw> PMadej: its not easier, but its more correct. Mine1 and Mine2 bill each other with standard a/p a/r accounts.
15:50:28 <warlord> Maybe andrewsw can help you provide a workaround... Or maybe he can give you a fix.
15:50:41 <andrewsw> PMadej: its what I do with my companies.
15:50:59 <andrewsw> warlord: the bug is present in Payable Aging as well.
15:51:15 <PMadej> andrewsw: yes i got a/r a/p different for each firm in this file
15:51:33 <warlord> andrewsw: it's probably in the business report utilities.
15:51:34 <PMadej> and make transfer as they are done physically
15:52:02 <andrewsw> PMadej: well, you're asking gnucash to do something it wasn't designed for... but you've revealed a bug as a result, so, ummm... thanks?
15:52:56 <PMadej> andrewsw: i'm just a user of free software :) so i try to use it for my needs and if sth dont work ask for help
15:53:11 <PMadej> reporting bugs is important so i'm happy to help that way
15:53:16 <andrewsw> PMadej: :-)
15:54:40 <PMadej> andrewsw: you say it wasn't designed for such management of finance. i think it works very good for my needs but reports are not
15:55:00 <andrewsw> warlord: right. I'm not up on how option-getters retain values over report runs... but I guess I will be ;)
15:55:12 <PMadej> i start using it but for now almost every function worked for twofirm configuration
15:55:46 <andrewsw> PMadej: I mean that it was not *intended* to be used that way, or the devs didn't think it would be used that way.
15:55:59 <andrewsw> but if it works for you great!
15:57:55 <PMadej> andrewsw: i got for every firm 2 a/p and 3 a/r accounts (only one a/r tracked by my invoice module - rest only by transfers) and transfers between them work as i want to
15:58:53 <PMadej> so when reports will work for me it will be my next pro app from free software :)
15:59:26 <andrewsw> PMadej: it sounds like the report actually works for you, it just doesn't retain the option setting.
16:00:34 <PMadej> shortly saing they not choose/recognise a/p accounts and are using only first one on the alphabetical list
16:00:56 <PMadej> from all a/p accounts available
16:01:43 <PMadej> that is what i suppose it to be but i'm not sure if that is correct
16:01:47 <warlord> I'm surprised that that would be the case -- I would think that someone would have noticed that before now.
16:02:09 <andrewsw> maybe its a regression? I'm testing in HEAD atm.
16:02:21 <andrewsw> or trunk or whatever the heck its called.
16:03:04 <PMadej> warlord: as andrewsw said maybe because it was designed to use only one a/p so there was no need to check what account it chooses as was only one available
16:04:50 <warlord> PMadej: Umm.. I wrote that code. It WAS designed to handle the case of multiple accounts. But I just never TESTED it.
16:05:00 <warlord> (mostly it was designed for different currencies)
16:06:18 <PMadej> warlord: ok but in mine example i got different a/p and one currency so maybe that caused this behaviour
16:06:50 <andrewsw> hmmm... mine is single currency as well...
16:06:51 <warlord> Who knows what's causing the behavior. Certainly not the currencies.
16:09:01 <PMadej> brb
16:13:57 <andrewsw> bugzilla down for anyone else? I'm getting connectin refused on ports 25 and 80, but ping still works.
16:18:54 <jsled> andrewsw: seems fine from here.
16:20:14 <andrewsw> jsled: nm. back now.
16:24:49 <andrewsw> PMadej and warlord: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482177 is related, but different from what I'm seeing.
16:36:19 <andrewsw> hmmm... gnc:make-account-sel-limited-option always resets its option by using (let* ((option-set #f) (if option-set (option)(get-default)))...
16:39:36 <warlord> Oh really?
16:40:02 <andrewsw> nm. turns out they all do that. its to set the default first time through.
16:42:59 <warlord> Right...
16:54:38 <andrewsw> well crap. messing with options.scm is pretty much rebuilding the whole thing...
16:56:20 <andrewsw> or maybe I'm an idiot...
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17:02:43 <PMadej> andrewsw: probably this bug in some cases can apply to mine problem
17:03:43 <PMadej> because i also have such situation that report only grab things from first a/p (alphabeticaly)
17:04:46 <andrewsw> PMadej: yes. I think that is what you are seeing/saying. You could apply that patch or wait for the backport.
17:05:07 <andrewsw> Either way it should help your situation *a lot*. The other is only an annoyance...
17:06:00 <warlord> Is this something that was fixed in trunk but awaiting a port to 2.2?
17:06:11 <andrewsw> part of it is.
17:06:41 <andrewsw> the part where he can only run the report on the lexically first account has been fixed. the part where the option resets is not.
17:06:47 <PMadej> andrewsw: so to have it working i need recompile gnucash from trunk?
17:07:18 <andrewsw> PMadej: you could do that, or pull the tarball for stable and patch it.
17:08:59 <PMadej> when you plan next release 2.2.2 or similar?
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17:09:55 <andrewsw> when its done? I think its held up waiting on a new release of one of the libs, but I don't know.
17:15:16 <PMadej> is trunk only bugfix or are some new features added?
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17:21:15 <andrewsw> PMadej: so far as I know, trunk is where the development of next stable release happens, so its bugfixes and new features. to get current stable
17:21:45 <andrewsw> you need to get branches/2.2. See http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Subversion which needs to be updated for 2.2
17:21:49 <andrewsw> I think
17:32:52 <PMadej> andrewsw: as i'm not good at diff could you tell me how to patch unpacked source tree?
17:33:07 <PMadej> i've downloaded 2.2.1 tarbal as a source
17:33:26 <andrewsw> PMadej: have you built gnucash before?
17:33:46 <PMadej> no i've got binary package .deb from ubuntu
17:34:07 <PMadej> i know how to build it but i'm not familiar with diff
17:34:22 <PMadej> and patch utilities
17:34:37 <andrewsw> building is no small task. One that I don't have time for at the moment.
17:34:49 <andrewsw> but if you think you can do it, build it first.
17:35:04 <andrewsw> make sure to stick it in an optional location (--prefix=/opt/gnucash)
17:35:21 <andrewsw> or something like that. Once you've built it, then patch it... one second please.
17:37:33 <andrewsw> to patch it, I think this works: cd to gnucash/ then patch -p1 <patch_file
17:37:56 <andrewsw> but that patch was not done with svn, so it may not apply cleanly, and its something I've no experience with.
17:38:31 <PMadej> i got the source from ftp server 2.2.1 version
17:38:40 <andrewsw> its a pretty simple patch. you could apply it manually if you needed to.
17:39:37 <PMadej> i'll try it so i can see what i entered to transaction database
17:39:58 <andrewsw> make sure to back up your datafile before using your built version, just in case.
17:40:14 <PMadej> yes i remember about this
17:41:12 <andrewsw> I gotta go. later guys
17:44:22 <PMadej> see you, thanks for help
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20:42:14 <dbreiser> now I'm dangerous. The fink folk gave me commit access to the packaging directories.
20:42:31 <dbreiser> Now I have to blame myself for errors...
20:44:40 <jsled> heh. nice.
20:45:58 <dbreiser> yep. no more waiting weeks in the queue
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21:06:05 <warlord> dbreiser: congrats.
21:06:15 <dbreiser> thanks
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