2007-11-04 GnuCash IRC logs

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07:47:39 <warlord> @tell andrewsw Sorry about gncbot. I had a network issue yesterday which kicked me off and apparently a similar issue kicked off gncbot. I've restarted him and now he's back.
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07:53:57 <kindofblue> folks.. gnucash newbie here.. can someone help
07:55:33 <warlord> Don't meta-ask
07:56:43 <kindofblue> right then..in my expenses account(or any other account for that matter), how do view only transactions from the "current month"..
07:57:19 <kindofblue> ie I don't want to wade through transactions from the previous month, scroll down and then enter a particular transaction
07:58:08 <warlord> Under the View menu you can limit by date range.
07:58:30 <warlord> But I dont think there's a global setting for that.
07:58:58 <warlord> The register SHOULD always open to the end (most recent) transactions, so you shouldn't have to scroll through too much.
07:59:09 <kindofblue> you're right, it does
07:59:37 <kindofblue> I don't need a global setting since its only the expense account that's the lengthiest :D
08:00:30 <kindofblue> thanks for that.. works for me
08:01:58 <warlord> Enjoy
08:05:09 <kindofblue> where can I read up on "accounting using gnucash" docs? ( as opposed to "using gnucash" docs)
08:10:44 <kindofblue> found something here: http://fdonea.tripod.com/accounting.html
08:17:16 <warlord> @tell andrewsw https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=365771
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08:17:48 <warlord> kindofblue: Umm... The Tutorial and Concepts Guide?
08:21:48 <kindofblue> warlord: thanks, yes.. For some reason I went straight to the gnucash help manual..
08:22:05 <warlord> There you go.
08:22:30 <kindofblue> yeah, F1 abuse...
08:25:52 <warlord> :)
09:06:45 <warlord> @tell andrewsw I've updated the doxygen config; it works again, and no warnings.
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11:07:27 <andrewsw> hi
11:07:27 <gncbot> andrewsw: Sent 3 hours and 19 minutes ago: <warlord> Sorry about gncbot. I had a network issue yesterday which kicked me off and apparently a similar issue kicked off gncbot. I've restarted him and now he's back.
11:07:28 <gncbot> andrewsw: Sent 2 hours and 50 minutes ago: <warlord> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=365771
11:07:29 <gncbot> andrewsw: Sent 2 hours ago: <warlord> I've updated the doxygen config; it works again, and no warnings.
11:07:47 <andrewsw> warlord: sorry 'bout that.
11:08:00 <warlord> it's okay.
11:08:11 <warlord> not your fault.
11:08:13 <andrewsw> I think that's a lesson -- don't patch fedora/redhat packages with debian configs, maybe.
11:08:20 <warlord> Hehehe..
11:08:29 <warlord> Still, doxygen shouldn't CRASH.
11:08:34 <andrewsw> So you just ran doxygen -u and it worked? or it bombed?
11:08:35 <warlord> (hence the bug report)
11:08:54 <warlord> First I backed out your change.. THEN I ran doxygen -u
11:09:31 <andrewsw> and that makes it work?
11:10:28 <andrewsw> Still you're right, it shouldn't CRASH. I'm curious what could be so different between the two versions.
11:10:30 <warlord> Yeah, it updated the config.
11:10:38 <warlord> No idea.
11:15:17 <andrewsw> aha. there it is "oxygen crashes when using unsupported tags in config"
11:17:07 <andrewsw> fixed in release 1.5.3. So my config was definitely the wrong one to use.
11:17:09 <andrewsw> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=431763
11:17:21 <andrewsw> who'd a thunk it.
11:23:10 <warlord> Hehe.
11:24:40 <warlord> Okay, I've updated the Redhat bug.
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11:51:11 <andrewsw> cool. sorry again.
11:51:17 <andrewsw> off to feed the kids...
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14:06:17 <gib> I updated my mom's computer from Kubuntu 7.04 to Kubuntu 7.10, and now she can't open gets "error parsing file" errors whenever trying to open any of her files or backups written by under the previous version. I managed to find an old machine still using 7.04, and the files open fine. It seems like some change to the xml parsing libraries no longer read files written in by previous versions, and think they are corrupt. Would that be
14:06:17 <gib> libexpat1 or libxml2? What does gnucash use to read/write xml files? Any Ideas on how to rectify the situation?
14:07:00 <gib> gnucash just gives a generic "error parsing" error, but does say what it doesn't like about the files.
14:09:37 <nbinont> I haven't heard about this before - gnucash should read older files just fine
14:09:52 <nbinont> what version of gnucash are you using?
14:10:34 <gib> 2.2.1
14:10:43 <nbinont> have you tried removing and re-installing the gnucash package? (maybe the update to kubuntu 7.10 didn't get it right)
14:13:15 <gib> Yes. I don't think it's a matter of the version of gnu cash, but the version of the xml parser, because I had Kubuntu's standard 2.0.5 package and a self compiled 2.2.1 on her machine, and they both worked with the files. It was the change in Kubuntu versions (and hence updates to the libexpat1 and libxml2 as well) that made it stop working.
14:18:37 <gib> gnucash works for her on 7.10, btw, with files it creates from the start.
14:19:29 <nbinont> hmm..I'm at a loss. maybe someone else here has an idea?
14:21:27 <gib> Do you happen to know of a xml validator I could run on the file to see what exactly it doesn't like, beyond just "error parsing?" It looks ok to me when I examine it, but, then again, I'm no xml expert.
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14:34:52 <nbinont> no
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14:57:00 <andrewsw> gib: what is apt-cache policy gnucash? and dpkg -l libxml2
14:57:29 <warlord> gib: anything printed into /tmp/gnucash.trace?
15:02:37 <kindofblue> /part
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15:06:57 <andrewsw> brb
15:10:55 <nbinont> warlord: I'm thinking of heading back early this weekend to build 2.2.2 ....it this still planned for this weekend?
15:11:29 <nbinont> thought I'd ask you since andi5 isn't around
15:12:20 <warlord> I dont think it's planned for today, no.
15:12:30 <warlord> Sort of waiting for a new ORbit dll
15:14:39 <nbinont> oh, ok
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17:42:50 <andrewsw> I thought I new how to do this: select a sub-account within an account tree. Is there a way? it would be the same action as clicking the little triangle.
17:45:59 <warlord> select for ...?
17:46:28 <andrewsw> entering a payment on an invoice, choosing the account to draw funds from...
17:46:36 <andrewsw> tab tab tab my way to the list of accounts.
17:46:47 <andrewsw> arrow to the top-level account, how to expand the sub-tree...
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17:49:10 <andi5> hi nbinont
17:52:09 <andi5> as warlord said, i am waiting for bug 363648 to come up with a new orbit2 release
17:53:03 <nbinont> hi andi5
17:53:20 <nbinont> ok, I noticed a lot of movement there
17:54:04 <nbinont> how often do orbit2 release?
17:55:30 <andi5> hm... seems like they follow the gnome release circle with 6 versions behind :-)
17:55:46 <andi5> but i am optimistic that tor and the others will help us :-)
17:56:06 <andi5> and gotta go again ;-)
17:56:11 <nbinont> ok.
17:56:14 <andi5> see ya
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17:56:17 <nbinont> thanks for the update
18:00:11 <warlord> andrewsw: click on a triangle?
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18:06:15 <andrewsw> warlord: to the left of the top level account,is a small triangle that you toggle to show/hide sub-accounts
18:06:39 <warlord> Right.
18:06:57 <andrewsw> how can one manipulate that through the keyboard?
18:07:04 <andrewsw> (if at all)
18:07:07 <warlord> I have no clue.
18:07:42 <andrewsw> AHA! </clewsoe voice>
18:08:08 <andrewsw> I could swear I had figured that out once, but have lost it... oh well.
18:08:27 <warlord> It may not be possible to only use the keyboard.
18:09:07 <andrewsw> yeah, its close, and I mostly work at my desktop, so the quick jump to the mouse is okay.
18:09:50 <andrewsw> on my laptop, its a pain because of syndaemon time-out (2 seconds) between keyboard and touchpad
18:11:52 <warlord> syndaemon??
18:12:47 <andrewsw> watches for keyboard activity and turns off the synaptics touchpad until 2 seconds after you finish typing. Keeps spurious clicks and mouse actions from happening while typing.
18:13:02 <andrewsw> great with heavy keyboard use on a laptop.
18:14:41 <warlord> Oh, I just turn off the touchpad on my laptop, completely. I hate the damn thing. I MUCH prefer my pointstick.
18:15:37 <andrewsw> hmmm... don't have one of those. Not a bad idea though.
18:16:12 <andrewsw> they are annoying, but syndaemon makes it much more tolerable.
18:18:05 <warlord> I guess.
18:18:11 <warlord> Except here... ;)
18:19:54 <andrewsw> ack. anyway, one of my goals for gnucash (heh) is to get the rest of keyboard control done.
18:20:18 <andrewsw> using a keyboard based WM, it would be sweet to have those last little bits done.
18:23:31 <warlord> ok
18:24:05 <andrewsw> I suspecet a lot of that is actually gtk/gnome work though...
18:32:05 <warlord> maybe... I dont know.
18:32:12 <warlord> Perhaps some work to ATK
18:32:23 <andrewsw> what's atk?
18:34:04 <warlord> http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/
18:35:06 * andrewsw reads...
18:36:49 <andrewsw> yeah, that looks like it, a first glance. thanks for the link.
18:37:45 <warlord> google is your friend.
18:38:17 <andrewsw> yep. sorry. you're very tolerant.
18:38:39 <warlord> eh, you produce code.
18:39:35 <andrewsw> well, the noise/LOC ratio's not real good. yet.
18:41:49 <warlord> heh. it's still above 0.
18:42:07 <warlord> Er, the LOC:Noise ratio is above 0
18:43:16 <andrewsw> lim noise -> infinity...
18:43:22 <warlord> yeah
18:51:44 <andrewsw> I know there's a huge dearth of dev cycles (new mail on -user). As a less than skilled/newbie helper, its pretty daunting
18:51:56 <andrewsw> to look at all that needs doing and easy to get distracted.
18:52:26 <andrewsw> What do you recommend as a starting point?
18:52:41 <warlord> For ATK? No clue. I really dont know that code at all.
18:52:42 <andrewsw> Or is it a matter of so much to do just do anything?
18:52:49 <andrewsw> no, I mean gnc in general
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18:54:04 <warlord> Oh, um.. find an itch and scratch it?
18:55:10 <andrewsw> yeah. I feel like that's a waste of cycles sometimes. My keyboard thing is an example. There are way more important things...
18:55:55 <warlord> Sometimes cycles get wasted.
18:59:00 <andrewsw> I suppose sometimes you take what you get.
18:59:17 <warlord> yep
18:59:42 <warlord> hey, everyone wastes cycles sometimes.. You do research.. make some tests.. make mistakes. Nobody is 100% productive.
19:00:02 <andrewsw> brb
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19:08:35 <andrewsw> back. so the thing is, in my situation, gnc has been such a big part of my business
19:08:53 <andrewsw> over the last coupl e years, that there is a desire to be significant.
19:09:13 <andrewsw> but, one can only do so much, I suppose.
19:09:35 <warlord> yeah
19:10:03 <andrewsw> its hard to look at the to do list and find those little things that can be a help.
19:10:16 <warlord> Any little thing would be a help.
19:11:19 <andrewsw> yep. thanks for listening.
19:12:11 <warlord> no problem.
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19:15:42 <Rafael_Nicoletti> any brazilian to help me?
19:15:53 <warlord> unlikely...
19:16:09 <Rafael_Nicoletti> alright, ill try to explain my problem.
19:16:51 <Rafael_Nicoletti> i have two accounts. The first is unibanco (bank type) and the other one is Food (expense type)
19:17:03 <Rafael_Nicoletti> sorry, firstly, someone may help?
19:17:14 <warlord> only if you ask a question
19:17:20 <andrewsw> we're waiting, just ask
19:17:35 <Rafael_Nicoletti> ok, continuing...
19:18:04 <Rafael_Nicoletti> i do a transaction entry in the food account, ok?
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19:19:20 <Rafael_Nicoletti> tot payment is 10.00, in the accounts list is 10.00. Im trying to "balance" the account make a split transaction in the 10.00 transaction, the transfer account is unibanco
19:19:29 <warlord> Rafael_Nicoletti: I would suggest you enter your transaaction in the unibanco account..
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19:19:45 <warlord> Also, I would suggest you start with "basic" transactions.
19:20:39 <Rafael_Nicoletti> Alright, but if i do a transaction entry directly on unibanco account, ill never know how much i expent in food category (is also an account, right?)
19:21:31 <andrewsw> no. you will balance the 10.00 in unibanco with 10.00 in food, all in the same transaction.
19:21:33 <warlord> Wrong...
19:21:53 <warlord> ... what andrewsw said.
19:22:11 <Rafael_Nicoletti> in the "transfer" field i choose the unibanco account, but the transaction is in the food account ok?
19:22:14 <warlord> You know you paid 10.00 from unibanco to food because the transaction is balanced between those accounts.
19:22:37 <Rafael_Nicoletti> its contrary :P
19:22:38 <warlord> Rafael_Nicoletti: You could do that... OR fromthe unibanco register you choose a transfer account of "Expenses:Food"
19:24:04 <Rafael_Nicoletti> im getting the point, let me test ok? I thank everyone by now
19:24:32 <warlord> you're welcome.
19:24:50 <andrewsw> remember that each transaction has two sides. In this case, one side is the source of money (unibanco) and the other is where the money is going (food).
19:24:56 <andrewsw> good luck Rafael_Nicoletti
19:26:46 <Rafael_Nicoletti> OK, now one more question, how i do a transaction that is not paid yet? Only to know how much i need to pay next n days?
19:27:15 <warlord> Set the date in the future?
19:27:18 <andrewsw> set the date of the transaction to whatever date you plan to do it on.
19:27:30 * andrewsw laughs. warlord beats me again.
19:28:02 <Rafael_Nicoletti> if i do that the money will be left from the bank i registered?
19:28:16 <warlord> of course
19:28:30 <warlord> it will be moved (virtually) in the future..
19:29:03 <Rafael_Nicoletti> but i havent paid it yet... if i do an one side transfer, there is any way?
19:29:17 <warlord> "one side transfer"?
19:29:39 <warlord> if you haven't paid it yet, then dont enter it. Enter it when you pay it.
19:30:04 <warlord> What I do is use my bank electronic billpay to ask the bank to pay it in the future.. and then I add it to gnucash to remind me that it's set to pay in the future.
19:30:35 <andrewsw> if you know what you're going to do, like pay the rent on tuesday, then you can enter it today, dated for tuesday.
19:30:36 <Rafael_Nicoletti> yeah i know, the money only will be left in the future?
19:31:05 <warlord> I'm sorry, I dont understand the quesiton
19:31:57 <Rafael_Nicoletti> im trying to set scheduled transactions, the money is not left from my bank yet
19:32:50 <warlord> As we said, the simple way is to just enter a transaction and set the date into the future -- at the date when the money will leave the bank.
19:33:00 <warlord> Unless you really want to use a "Scheduled Transaction"
19:33:10 <Rafael_Nicoletti> ok, is that im trying to do :P
19:33:34 <warlord> Which one?
19:33:39 <warlord> SX or setting the txn date?
19:34:15 <Rafael_Nicoletti> if i register a transaction of 10.00 to be paid 10 november right now, the 10.00 will be left from the bank account in 10 november?
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19:35:03 <warlord> As far as GNUCASH is concerned, yes. BUt you still need to tell your bank to do the transfer.
19:35:30 <Rafael_Nicoletti> yeah, in the real life, i need to do the transfer.. :P
19:35:56 <warlord> right. But if you just date the txn on December 1, that's when it will "move".
19:36:03 <warlord> Just do it and you'll see.
19:36:09 <warlord> You can always delete the txn
19:36:39 <Rafael_Nicoletti> yeah alright. What is exactly txn (im brazilian, those abrev. are unknown :P)
19:36:56 <andrewsw> txn==transaction
19:37:03 <Rafael_Nicoletti> ok :)
19:37:40 <Rafael_Nicoletti> now my first question, sorry again, when i learn those, i swear ill stay on the channel help people :P
19:38:04 <warlord> hehe.
19:38:30 <Rafael_Nicoletti> this is the situation: account unibanco(bank): 100.00; account Expenses(Placeholder, expense type): 0.00; Account food(below expenses): 0.00
19:38:59 <warlord> ok..
19:39:26 <Rafael_Nicoletti> i done a transaction using the unibanco account: (withdrawal: 10.00, transfer: Food)
19:39:32 <Rafael_Nicoletti> thats right/
19:39:57 <Rafael_Nicoletti> im telling i expent 10 dollars in food today
19:40:48 <warlord> right
19:41:15 <Rafael_Nicoletti> and why the food account is telling "i have" 10.00?
19:41:25 <Rafael_Nicoletti> it should be 0.00, shouldnt?
19:41:41 <warlord> No, it should be 10 -- because you spent $10 on food.
19:42:00 <andrewsw> food account will accumulate the total amount you've spent on food.
19:42:44 <Rafael_Nicoletti> ah, right, the accumulate is always accumulate? forever? In the reports i can know how much i paid in food last month?
19:42:55 <warlord> Yes.
19:43:29 <andrewsw> the account will accumulate forever, but the reports will only look at txns relative to the date of the report.
19:44:54 <Rafael_Nicoletti> right, its fair it accumulate forever. And in reports i can know how much i paid last month AND how much i paid using debit card, or cash for example?
19:45:43 <warlord> yes
19:45:43 <andrewsw> yes. not in the same report, but yes.
19:45:55 * andrewsw screams HA! beat ya!
19:46:00 <Rafael_Nicoletti> alright
19:46:20 <andrewsw> that assumes you have a "Cash" account to track the cash in your pocket.
19:46:54 <Rafael_Nicoletti> sure
19:50:25 <Rafael_Nicoletti> in the reports (Expenses over time), dont appears that i expent 45.00 in food, even if i select all accounts and set the period 1 month before today and 1 month after today, theres something wrong?
19:51:55 <Rafael_Nicoletti> i found the problem
19:52:06 <Rafael_Nicoletti> the curerency was set to usd, is brl :P
19:58:11 <warlord> Ah, that would do it.
20:03:37 <Rafael_Nicoletti> i have to go now, sorry for my stupid questions, and thanks for all that helped me, and all of you will see me some time in this channel :P
20:04:31 <andrewsw> take care. glad to help
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20:41:18 <andrewsw> later taters
20:43:46 <warlord> later
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22:31:22 <donfede> hello gnucash folk. i'm running debian unstable 2.2.1 r16462 on 2007-09-15. using the budget tool. I had a couple questions about it. 1) is there a way to get row totals (ex: for 12 months, to get a yearly total column at the far right ) ... 2) is there a way to recalculate super categories as sub categories are adjusted (ex: one makes changes to utilities:isp and utilities:electric and they would expect 'utilities' total to r
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22:41:52 <warlord> donfede: maybe chris could answer.
22:46:43 <donfede> ok, no rush, i'll leave my machine on overnight :)
23:05:15 <donfede> the new help system is looking great by the way
23:08:24 <warlord> ok
23:36:59 <donfede> read chris's page on budgets (http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Budgets)
23:42:58 <warlord> andrewsw: yes indeed. :)
23:43:02 <warlord> Okay, good night.
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23:49:56 <andrewsw> warlord-afk: dude, go to bed! nighty night.