2007-11-01 GnuCash IRC logs
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04:23:37 <lamp02_> hello, do anybody can help me with budgets?
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10:08:28 <jsled> Finally, my gmail account got IMAP enabled.
10:08:42 <warlord> Cool.
10:08:48 <warlord> What did it take?
10:09:29 <jsled> Just time ... for some reason it took like 1½ weeks to get it out across all accounts.
10:09:44 <jsled> Ah, but now I have gmail in gnus. Meh heh heh.
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10:12:03 <warlord> I've never actually used nnimap.
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11:50:38 <andrewsw> hairy monkey balls?
11:51:23 <andrewsw> that was great!
11:51:26 <andrewsw> cheers...
11:52:54 <warlord> :-D
11:53:06 <warlord> It's a phrase I picked up years ago.
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12:12:32 <c0m4> hey, I'm having problem with multiply currency feature, any one care to help?
12:13:08 <c0m4> I'm getting an error on the Price editor "Unable to retrieve quotes for these items:
12:13:08 <c0m4> CURRENCY:USD"
12:13:23 <c0m4> any one?
12:14:34 <warlord> What's your main currency?
12:14:41 <c0m4> NIS
12:14:55 <c0m4> New Israeli Shekel
12:14:58 <warlord> Yeah.
12:15:51 <warlord> Umm.. I wish I knew what to tell you. I barely know anything about quote retrieval, and even less about currency quotes.
12:16:32 <c0m4> does it use the gnc-fq-dump command in the background?
12:17:03 <warlord> I think so.
12:17:16 <warlord> But I dont know how it does it specifically for currencies.
12:21:21 <c0m4> that the command: gnc-fq-dump yahoo USDGBP=x , but to make it work with NIS... that another story
12:22:45 <warlord> It's possible that there just isn't a USD/NIS quote source there.
12:23:52 <c0m4> gnc-fq-dump yahoo USDILS=X err... ok so now the big question... why doesn't it work
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12:26:33 <c0m4> should I be able to find some log of it somewhere?
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12:30:11 <c0m4> ... how do I enable debug for the gnucash
12:30:12 <c0m4> ?
12:30:23 <c0m4> do I have to strace it ?
12:30:24 <warlord> --debug
12:30:33 <c0m4> yeah where are the log files
12:30:34 <c0m4> ?
12:30:40 <warlord> in /tmp/gnucash.trace
12:30:51 <jsled> Or, use {--logto stderr}
12:31:00 <warlord> http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging
12:31:43 <c0m4> that it
12:32:10 <c0m4> hehe
12:32:26 <c0m4> no debug info when I press get quotes
12:33:38 <warlord> Not surprising -- F::Q is a separate application.
12:33:52 <warlord> you're welcome to instrument gnc-fq-helper
12:33:53 <c0m4> yeah , I installed it
12:34:00 <c0m4> but I can't even see the call to it
12:35:18 <c0m4> in the debug information should be something when I press the get quotes (how do I know what log-domain for it?
12:35:39 <jsled> well, you're presuming that there are debugging statements in the relevant code.
12:35:57 <c0m4> well yeaj
12:35:59 <warlord> Yeah, I have no idea if there's a debug statement there.
12:36:41 <jsled> but, the quotes-getting code is in src/scm/price-quotes.scm ...
12:36:52 <jsled> and there are some logging statements.
12:36:59 <jsled> Try running with `--log gnc.scm=debug` as well.
12:37:34 <jsled> It looks like there are 3 gnc:debug statements in the whole file.
12:38:10 <c0m4> ok I'll check it now
12:39:18 <c0m4> that what I get :
12:39:18 <c0m4> * 18:38:47 DEBUG <gnc.scm> (handling-request (currency USD NIS))
12:39:18 <c0m4> * 18:38:47 DEBUG <gnc.scm> (results (#f))
12:39:24 <c0m4> err...
12:39:36 <c0m4> ok its time to dig in the code...
12:42:35 <jsled> http://pastebin.com/m4a761006
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12:45:00 <c0m4> jsled: sorry about the stupid question but is this the correction ?
12:45:45 <jsled> Sorry for the lack of context. That was just my output using gnc-fq-helper here. (currency "USD" "NIS") doesn't work, but (currency "USD" "ILS") does.
12:45:59 <c0m4> oh
12:46:10 <jsled> I'm not sure what quote source was used there, and/or if forcing another would support the currency code "NIS".
12:46:56 <c0m4> I guess that it is the problem, the currency is called NIS but at yahoo it is called ILS
12:47:06 <jsled> looks like, yeah.
12:47:29 <jsled> Maybe gnucash need to separate/know the "currency name" from the "lookup alias"...?
12:50:51 <jsled> hampton might have encountered this before/already, and have an opinion about it.
12:51:14 <c0m4> I really don't know gnucash and I haven't yet looked at the code, it it a configurable option? I though about patching the gnc-fq-*
12:51:34 <c0m4> ^it it^is it
12:52:05 <jsled> If you Just Want This Damn Thing To Work! ™®© :), then I'd just have a mapping in gnc-fq-helper; that'll be the easiest thing to modify.
12:53:24 <c0m4> yeah that what I'll do myself
12:53:48 <c0m4> but what about the other poor Israelis that want to use gnucash :D
12:54:50 <warlord> You're the first person to ask about this.. But honestly you might try asking on the F::Q email list.
12:55:26 <c0m4> ok tnx a bunch :D
12:55:51 <warlord> http://finance-quote.sourceforge.net/
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13:03:34 <c0m4> acutaly I though about it and its not a bug in finace-quote
13:04:06 <c0m4> they are doing there job, you give then a currency couple and the return the result
13:04:24 <c0m4> NIS does not exist ... ILS exist
13:04:33 <c0m4> it the mapping in the gnucash that it wrong
13:04:45 <c0m4> .. don't you think?
13:05:14 <jsled> perhaps. Another argument says that F::Q should shield GnuCash from such details. :)
13:05:22 <c0m4> why?
13:05:46 <jsled> i.e., the detail that in order to get a quote for NIS you realy need to look it up as ILS because Yahoo hasn't updated their site, yet
13:06:02 <jsled> For instance, another currency-quote provider might understand "NIS" correctly.
13:06:19 <c0m4> ...ok
13:06:21 <jsled> In that case, GnuCash shouldn't try to retreive a quote for ILS.
13:06:29 <c0m4> is it the case?
13:06:54 <warlord> jsled: according to http://www.xe.com/iso4217.php it is ILS
13:07:20 <jsled> Oh, do I have it backwards?
13:07:31 <jsled> What's the current/correct currency, then?
13:07:34 <warlord> According to http://www.oanda.com/site/help/iso_code.shtml#I is it ALSO ILS
13:07:39 <c0m4> ...
13:07:40 <c0m4> :D
13:08:18 <c0m4> stange... it should be NIS but if the iso code is ILS, I can't blame yahoo for not being updated
13:08:22 <jsled> Oh. So we just need to update iso-4217-currencies.scm , and pre-2.2.2 users will need to convert their datafile.
13:09:02 <warlord> My guess: It went from ILS->NIS for a while, and then went back.
13:09:50 <jsled> Hmm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel still says NIS.
13:10:07 <jsled> Though <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_new_sheqel> says it's ILS.
13:10:13 <c0m4> yeah we are too small to get it correctly :D
13:11:11 <c0m4> we switched from IsraeLi Shekel to New Israeli Shekel in the 70's if I'm not mistaking
13:11:21 <warlord> The latter calls it both!
13:11:28 <warlord> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_new_sheqel>
13:11:36 <jsled> warlord: yeah ... It calls it NIS, but it's clear the ISO4217 code is ILS.
13:11:40 <warlord> It's abbreviated NIS, but ILS is the ISO code.
13:11:46 <warlord> Yeah... VERY weird.
13:13:00 <c0m4> :) any way, tnx again for your help.
13:13:08 <warlord> We changed from ILS->NIS in 2004.
13:13:47 <warlord> c0m4: can you file a bug report against gnucash, please?
13:13:55 <c0m4> yes
13:13:58 <c0m4> I do that
13:14:02 <warlord> (feel free to copy and paste this full conversation)
13:14:07 <jsled> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GnuCash
13:14:11 <warlord> Toda raba
13:14:21 <c0m4> oh, ok great
13:14:38 <c0m4> warlord: ein bead ma ;)
13:15:07 <warlord> Sorry, you've hit my limit of knowledge.
13:15:34 <c0m4> stupid Q... do I need to create a new account to file in a bug ?
13:15:46 <warlord> You do need a bugzilla account, yes.
13:15:51 <c0m4> ok
13:21:56 <c0m4> tnx again, bye
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15:09:59 <nvictor> 'lo all
15:10:22 <nvictor> where do I put check card expenses?
15:10:45 <jsled> In Expenses?
15:10:57 <nvictor> I was thinking of decreasing the amount from my checking account
15:11:14 <nvictor> but the thing is that the expenses are future dated
15:11:20 <nvictor> and can be cancelled
15:11:25 <nvictor> so...
15:12:02 <jsled> I don't know what you mean by "check card", then.
15:12:07 <nvictor> well
15:12:21 <nvictor> it's a visa card but not really a credit card
15:12:39 <nvictor> I can withdraw from my checking account with it
15:12:43 <jsled> ... like a debit card? That works over the visa network.
15:12:49 <nvictor> yes
15:12:52 <nvictor> a debit card
15:13:05 <jsled> Just record the transaction date when you make the purchase.
15:13:20 <nvictor> from my checking account, right?
15:13:25 <jsled> Yeah.
15:13:33 <nvictor> ok, great
15:13:34 <nvictor> thanks
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15:13:40 <jsled> Just like a check, but w/o the number.
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15:34:51 <mort> Hmmm... This is the first time I've run into this situation while using gnucash:
15:35:10 <mort> I am a canada-based business who bills stuff in $CAD.
15:35:21 <mort> for the first time I've issued an invoice in $USD.
15:35:38 <mort> The invoice has a value on it, but in the A/R account it shows up with no value.
15:36:10 <mort> I used the price editor to get a quote, thinking that would fix it, but it has not.
15:36:45 <jsled> I believe the business features are single-currency.
15:36:59 <mort> Hm...that's unfortunate :(
15:45:30 <warlord> You need a USD Income, A/R, and Payment/Asset account.
15:45:46 <warlord> They are single-currency 'per invoice'
15:46:10 <warlord> each invoice can be a different currency, but everything on one invoice needs to be in a single currency (including all the accounts)
15:46:42 <mort> oh, okay. That's fairly straightforward.
15:50:03 <warlord> The biggest problem is that the UI doesn't verify that your data input meets that invariant.
15:51:29 <mort> That's working for me. I've made a "USD Receivable" account as a sub account of my normal A/R and the total reflects correctly.
15:51:38 <mort> I just have to be careful to post against the correct accounts.
15:52:27 <mort> thanks
15:53:47 <warlord> You're welcome.
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18:16:53 <yenemy> hi, quick (stupid) question; is it possible to have gnucash save files to a directory on a remote web server?
18:18:42 <cortana> yenemy: it might be better to look for a webdev fuse filesystem
18:18:58 <yenemy> ok
18:19:02 <cortana> though for all i know, gnucash already uses gnome-vfs and it works transparently already
18:19:03 <yenemy> i could always set up subversion, too
18:19:06 <cortana> maybe wait for a developer to confirm
18:19:23 <yenemy> hm... i don't know what that means, but it sounds cool ;P
18:19:35 <jsled> right. we just do filesystem calls, so you need something implemented there (fuse, nfs, &c.)
18:19:39 <cortana> well, it's the gnome library for saving/opening files on remote filesystems transparently
18:19:40 <cortana> k
18:19:44 <cortana> yenemy: what is your use case here?
18:19:45 <yenemy> i'll do some more research; just trying to figure out the easiest way to keep my laptop and home desktops synched up for this
18:19:49 <cortana> to keep files synch'd?
18:19:51 <cortana> ok
18:19:53 <yenemy> yeah
18:19:55 <cortana> i would probably use git for this
18:20:01 <cortana> but another source controll system would do
18:20:02 <yenemy> and to make it more fun, my desktop is winxp
18:20:13 <cortana> alternatively, you could use unison
18:20:22 * yenemy writes those down
18:20:33 <cortana> if you don't need the history, which you may well not since gnucahs keeps the history around every time you save
18:20:59 <yenemy> hm... okay
18:21:27 <yenemy> thanks... that at least gives me a few starting points for research ;)
18:21:41 <yenemy> and now i'm off... thanks much
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20:40:43 <Jaule> Has anybody built gnucash on Mac OS X 10.5 yet? I'm having an issue using macports
20:42:28 <jsled> Jaule: I've not heard either way, but I'd guess not.
20:42:36 <jsled> Given it's been out, what, less than a week?
20:43:08 <Jaule> Yeah, it's just one dependency that fails to build using macports. atk fails
20:44:08 <jsled> atk, really? That's pretty fundamental.
20:44:26 <jsled> Have you followed up with macports? Are they awareE?
20:45:01 <Jaule> yeah, I think there's been a bug report so it's just a matter of time I'd guess
20:46:03 <Jaule> yup, a bug report has been issued
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