2007-10-29 GnuCash IRC logs
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00:31:04 <Gishaust> hi people
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00:47:03 <sri> I was looking for some help in setting up online banking.. can someone help?
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00:47:33 * sri has everything compiled, the accounts in online banking setup and authenticated..
00:47:40 <sri> but I can't seem to get it into the register.
00:50:25 <warlord> sri: what about Actions -> Online <something> from the account register page?
00:50:42 <sri> warlord: it doesn't do anything. there's no indication of any actions.
00:51:21 <warlord> I'm afraid that I've never used those features. Have you followed the wiki instructions?
00:51:43 <sri> I did look at some of them...
00:52:02 <sri> I had this working before.. but I could only get my checking account, not my savings
00:52:19 <sri> and I didn't understand the reconciling part. So I removed everything and started over.
00:52:33 <sri> but I'm having trouble getting it going again.
00:55:19 <sri> hrm.. I got it working again. wierd.
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00:56:49 <sri> so strangely, I'm back to my old problem. I can get a balance for checking from my bank, but not from savings.
00:57:47 <warlord> I've heard about that before.
00:57:57 <warlord> No idea what the issue is, I'm afraid.
00:58:00 <sri> I suppose I should check bugzilla?
00:58:04 <warlord> But it does seem to be somewhat common.
00:58:07 <warlord> Sure..
00:58:19 <warlord> But I dont know if it's a gnucash problem, an aqbanking problem, or a libofx problem.
00:58:34 <sri> ah, I see.
00:58:42 <sri> I guess online banking is still a big WiP
00:58:50 <sri> is it worth using it?
00:59:45 <sri> it also ignored my directive to only download stuff from the beginning fo this year onwards.
01:00:27 <sri> I suppose I could instead just import qif files every month.. but that really seems lame to me.
01:01:40 <warlord> Personally I dont use the online banking features.
01:01:49 <sri> how do you do it?
01:02:03 <warlord> But I've got few enough transactions per month, and frankly I "feel better" when I just enter everything by hand the day (evening) I make the transaction.
01:02:20 <warlord> I just enter txns by hand every evening (or the next morning)
01:02:28 <warlord> And then reconcile every month when I get my bills.
01:02:31 <sri> yeah, I got way too many in terms of credit card and all that.
01:02:57 <sri> IMHO, gnucash has the better layout.. quicken is just way too complicated.
01:03:19 <sri> which is why Iwanted to use it in lieu of quicken.
01:04:00 <warlord> Okay...
01:04:29 <warlord> Even in my bad months I still only have about 30 CC txns per month. That's still only 1 per day.
01:07:55 <sri> nod
01:09:03 <warlord> Even if I make 45 txnx across all cards, say I'm doing a lot of business travel.. Even 60. That's only an average of 2/day.
01:12:06 <sri> I get ya.
01:12:22 <sri> for me, I want to get all the history since the beginning of this year.
01:12:38 <sri> but I suppose I can do that simply by importing that as a qif or something from th bank.
01:13:00 <sri> too bad, my bank is one of the few banks ofx supports.
01:15:41 <sri> anyawys, thanks for the help warlord, I appreciate it.
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12:46:31 <nvictor> hello there
12:46:36 <nvictor> can somebody help?
12:46:48 <jsled> not until you ask a qustion. Please don't meta ask.
12:47:36 <nvictor> meta ask :)
12:48:54 <nvictor> well, I don't understand something in gnucash, what is the "Profits" label in the status bar is supposed to refer to? When I enter money I've spent, the total spent appears there
12:48:56 <nvictor> why?
12:49:04 <nvictor> Am I doing something wrong?
12:54:24 <nvictor> jsled: no idea?
12:55:06 <jsled> nvictor: not off the top of my head. let me take a look...
12:56:07 <nvictor> ok
12:56:18 <jsled> nvictor: what are the settings for edit > preferences > Accounting Period?
12:56:35 <jsled> When you say "spent", what do you mean?
13:00:12 <jsled> Profit is just Income - Expenses, I believe.
13:00:45 <nvictor> I see
13:01:03 <nvictor> I'm totally new, I have not touched any preference
13:01:47 <jsled> So, <jsled> When you say "spent", what do you mean?
13:02:01 <nvictor> expenses
13:02:15 <nvictor> like today my college tuition
13:02:28 <jsled> Right. So assets->expenses transactions should make profit decrease.
13:03:05 <nvictor> you mean increase?
13:03:08 <jsled> no.
13:03:18 <nvictor> it does not decrease
13:03:44 <nvictor> assets are decreasing
13:04:02 <nvictor> profits are increasing here
13:04:14 <nvictor> have I done something wrong?
13:04:15 <jsled> For the relevant expense account, what is its Type (via Account Edit)
13:04:46 <jsled> Or, uh, "Edit Account" in the popup menu.
13:04:55 <nvictor> it's checking account
13:05:05 <jsled> For the expense account?
13:05:08 <nvictor> bank
13:05:14 <jsled> ah. that's wrong.
13:05:16 <nvictor> let me check for the expense
13:05:20 <jsled> Oh.
13:05:31 <jsled> I misunderstood your single word response.
13:05:52 <nvictor> expense:education type expense
13:06:20 <jsled> Okay ... phone call, hold.
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13:33:17 <jsled> So.
13:33:43 <jsled> When you book an expense, your asset account goes down, right? and the expense goes up? And stays black/positive?
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15:55:50 <andrewsw> howdy guys.
15:56:04 <jsled> hello
15:56:08 <warlord> hello
15:56:23 <andrewsw> I was away most of the weekend, how'd the server upgrade go?
15:57:17 <warlord> Only took me about 14 hours on Saturday, but it's all back up and happy.
15:57:59 <andrewsw> 14 hours. I guess that's not bad for one marathon session eh?
16:00:49 <andrewsw> so, I'm curious about the register. There are two note fields, one -> txn, one -> split.
16:01:07 <jsled> It's "memo" for the transaction.
16:01:34 <andrewsw> right. the "memo" is only displayed in double-line mode, but it is the one that gets printed on checks.
16:01:51 <warlord> Actually, no, "Notes" is for the TXN, "Memo" is for Splits.. At least APIwise
16:02:09 <jsled> Oh? Damn. My mnemonic was wrong. sorry.
16:02:35 <andrewsw> yup. notes. there it is.
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16:02:52 <andrewsw> So, since its the one that gets printed on checks, it seems kinda important to me, and
16:03:01 <andrewsw> frankly, I severely under-utilise it.
16:03:23 <andrewsw> Could it be moved over to the blank box above the accounts when the split is opened?
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16:05:52 <andrewsw> ISTM, that making it more accessible would be a good thing.
16:20:39 <jsled> *deafening silence* :)
16:20:53 <jsled> GUI changes to the register code are tricky. But you're welcome to try it.
16:20:56 <andrewsw> yeah, I got it.
16:21:00 <jsled> I'd want to see how it looks.
16:21:11 <jsled> But I don't think it would be too weird.
16:21:21 <andrewsw> I wasn't proposing someone do it for me... just throwing it out there as an idea.
16:22:23 <andrewsw> I'm no gui programmer, but its one of those things that bothers me enough to try to do something about it.
16:22:37 <andrewsw> But if noone is interested, then I wouldn't bother.
16:23:08 <andrewsw> All my check printing is for business stuff, and so its nice to have acct/vendor numbers print right on the check, but
16:23:25 <andrewsw> with the Notes field hidden in my views, its a pita. /me shrugs
16:30:07 <nvictor> jsled: yes
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19:18:03 <lewy> I'm about to upgrade to the current version of gnucash using MacPorts. I have an intel MacBook running 10.4 -- soon to be 10.5. Do I need to specify variant "universal" to use this computer or just do a basic upgrade?
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22:57:25 <Alistair> Gidday folks. Another problem that I am sure you can educate me with: In my usual cashbook entries, if I paid cash for something, I would enter it as PURCHASE/ITEM DESCRIPTION $amount then CASH REVERSAL $amount. Now if I do this with GNUcash it seems to eat the transaction so I end up with nothing!
22:59:33 <warlord> 'cash reversal'?
23:00:35 <warlord> Just make a transaction from Cash -> Expenses:whatever
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23:02:16 <Alistair> Lets put it another way - I pay for the item with cash, but it needs to go in the journal as its a taxable item. I used to enter the balance as cash reversal, but when I try to do that with GNUcash, because there is no bank figure, it balances it up and gets rid of the total transactions.
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23:04:32 <Alistair> If I try it your way I seem to get the old imbalance thing.
23:07:33 <warlord> Ummm... How are you entering the transaction? In what interface?
23:08:06 <warlord> If you get any imbalance dialogs, you're just doing it all wrong.. period.
23:08:19 <warlord> (it means you're not entering both credits and debits)
23:09:58 <Alistair> Interface is WIN GUI. I enter cash purchase $amount, the cash reversal $amount to balance but if you do that you will see that GNUcash decides that the transaction is not going to be recorded.
23:10:34 <warlord> Alistair: there is no "WIN GUI" window in gnucash. Which gnucash interface are you using? An account register? The transfer dialog? The General Ledger?
23:11:09 <warlord> I have no idea what you mean by "cash reversal". The term means nothing to me. You could be talking about a frobnitz for all I know.
23:11:18 <warlord> Please use proper (gnucash) terms.
23:11:26 <warlord> Like, column names?
23:11:33 <Alistair> Alright;
23:13:35 <Alistair> Memo entry is cash purchase, account item is expenses:rent, amount is Set. Next line I do an entry called 'cash reversal' which is simply a credit of the same amount
23:13:53 <warlord> to what account?
23:14:20 <warlord> and again, what interface?
23:14:45 <Alistair> Thats it - there is no account because its a cash purchase but usually using other softwares because its balanced it is recorded. The interface is in the register.
23:15:07 <warlord> See, you NEED a cash account.....
23:15:14 <warlord> EVERY split neeeds an account.
23:15:22 <Alistair> OK tks
23:15:23 <warlord> If it's cash, then just use Assets:Cash
23:15:58 <warlord> Or just ignore the "cash" thing; put the "cash" in the split memo.
23:16:04 <warlord> doesn't matter..
23:16:13 <warlord> but you can't record it as a split transaction when it's really not a split.
23:16:19 <warlord> and... you need an account.
23:16:32 <Alistair> right
23:16:42 <warlord> That's why you keep getting bit by "imbalance" - you ARE creating an imbalanced transaction by not specifying an account.
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23:21:53 <Alistair> stuff it; I had an account called cash reversal, and still the mongrel disappears.
23:22:17 <warlord> It's disappearing because you don't have any splits in the "CURRENT" account.
23:24:33 <Alistair> Thanks for your efforts. Kind regards, Alistair.
23:24:40 <warlord> I.e., you're creating a transaction from Cash -> Expense but entering it in the Checking account...
23:25:11 <warlord> As soon as you change it from "Checking" to "Cash", it will disappear, because it's not tied to the current account register anymore.
23:25:32 <warlord> (and honestly, I still have no fricking clue what you mean by "cash reversal")
23:26:39 <Alistair> OK, a cash reversal is a paper entry just for balancing when you pay for an item by cash, which needs to be recorded in the register as its a taxable transaction.
23:26:53 <warlord> "needs to be recorded in the register"?
23:27:02 <warlord> You're still thinking "paper". Stop that.
23:27:18 <warlord> Create an account, Assets:Cash, and use that account for cash transactions.
23:27:39 <warlord> When you withdraw to replentish, it's Checking->Cash
23:27:49 <warlord> When you make a cash purchase, it's Cash->Expense
23:28:00 <warlord> When someone pays you cash, it's Income->Cash
23:28:41 <Alistair> Dont worry about it you have better things to do than waste time on my problems. Unfortunately, I am used to another system, which works quite differently to GNUcash. Either I change, or GNUcash changes, and I know which one it has to be.
23:29:01 <warlord> Okay.
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