2007-10-25 GnuCash IRC logs
00:14:51 <warlord> anyways, time for me to head out. g'night
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02:51:35 <dbr> sorry can't help I'm using linux. Don't know anything about qt on win.
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09:53:15 <dbr_> ahh. dueling nicks. guess I'll have to pick a longer one...
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10:01:02 <warlord> dbr: actually, I was hoping you could answer about the libofx client id
10:02:43 <dbr> oops there are two dbrs
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10:03:59 <jsled> heh
10:04:15 <warlord> :)
10:04:38 <the_real_dbr> I guess your question was for the fake dbr?
10:04:48 <dbr_> warlord: the link in BlueAidan's actually lists the fix
10:05:03 <dbr_> I still don't know if it works with BofA, though
10:05:04 <warlord> actually the REAL dbr is a gnucash developer/packager.
10:05:34 <dbr_> well, I can't use dbr in freenode (fink), so I'll come up with one I can use both places
10:05:35 <the_real_dbr> not anymore he ain't
10:05:52 <warlord> what about your old nick?
10:06:02 <dbr_> there is a cliff coming in libofx though
10:06:08 <dbr_> which old nick
10:06:13 <dbr_> ?
10:06:15 <warlord> dbreiser?
10:06:28 <dbr_> yeah, I'll probably go to that.
10:06:30 <warlord> a cliff?
10:06:51 <dbr_> banks are being required to pretend they have multifactor authentication
10:07:02 <dbr_> the web interfaces already have it
10:07:25 <dbr_> but (almost?) none of the ofxdirect connections require it yet.
10:07:43 <warlord> * SIGH *
10:07:52 <dbr_> pretty soon, though, libofx will need to handle creating and validating the ClientUID
10:07:53 <warlord> And most of this multifactor auth is really STUPID.
10:08:03 <jsled> E_NOT_MULTIFACTOR.
10:08:09 <dbr_> and possibly the challenge questions
10:08:19 <warlord> That's fine.. Pretty easy... Provided the protocol to handle it is published.
10:08:59 <dbr_> the protocol is in the most recent (1.0.3 and 2.0.?) ofx specs.
10:09:31 <dbr_> the biggest problem is the banks' not really knowing what they're buying/leasing from Intuit
10:10:10 <dbr_> the little bit about tying a clientuid (easy to generate) with a user account is not specified in the ofx spec
10:10:38 <dbr_> the spec just says the ofx client may wish to reveal the uid so the user can register it with the bank
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10:11:09 <dbr_> they don't say how the bank is supposed to handle it, and both quicken and msmoney have some secret way of doing
10:11:25 <dbr_> the registration without out-of-band bank contact
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10:13:16 <warlord> right -- but dont quicken and msmoney do it the same secret way?
10:13:26 <dbreiser> no clue
10:13:28 <warlord> Or has ms licensed the ofx implementation from intuit?
10:13:43 <dbreiser> ms is part of the ofx spec triumvirate
10:13:53 <dbreiser> intuit/checkfree/ms
10:14:24 <warlord> Sometimes I wish our gov't were a LITTLE more like Germany in mandating openness.
10:14:39 <dbreiser> they wouldn't have to do it the same way -- msmoney support among banks isn't as universal as quicken
10:15:05 <dbreiser> the German banks probably don't spend as much money on lobbying as ours do
10:15:07 <warlord> :(
10:15:21 <warlord> The best gov't money can buy!
10:15:32 <dbreiser> :\
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10:51:04 <NBrepresent> Hi, i'm wondering, is there any workaround for gnucash to import quickbooks QBB files? How is importing quicken QIF any easier? is this a feature that is being considered for gnucash?
10:55:02 <warlord> well, there is no published QB data file format, whereas QIF is published .
10:55:18 <warlord> If someone donated code that could read a QB file, well, it would make importing much easier.
10:57:20 <NBrepresent> ah, i see
11:00:50 <warlord> But none of the of the devs have the cycles to reverse-engineer the QB data file format.
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11:04:00 <jsled> And yes; I just considered it for a bit, and it'd be great to have! :)
11:04:15 <XiXaQ> is there any documentation regarding the business stuff? I mean, customer, invoice, job, employees, etc?
11:04:56 <jsled> yes. The documentation.
11:05:17 <XiXaQ> I mean like manual? It doesn't say anything about it, does it?
11:05:23 <jsled> The tutorial and concepts guide, I mean ... it covers the business concepts.
11:05:48 <XiXaQ> seriously? :)
11:05:52 <XiXaQ> I looked for it, but I didn't find it.
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11:06:44 <jsled> Chapter 12 is the starting point - http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/guide/chapter_bus_ar.html
11:06:53 <jsled> Chapters 13..14 also.
11:07:17 <jsled> The web docs are the same as the {Help > <paraphrase>Tutorial and Concepts Guide</>} menu item.
11:07:28 <XiXaQ> Great! Thank you :)
11:07:41 <NBrepresent> warlord: i don't understand by 'don't have the cycles' . you just mean processing power?
11:08:36 <warlord> brain power.. time..
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11:34:41 <amessina> Hello, I posted the following: http://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2007-October/022090.html to the user list on the 18th but have not received any replies. Would any of you be able to help me figure out where to go with this?
11:39:38 <warlord> Unfortunately dbr left.
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11:41:53 <amessina> what do you mean, "left"? left the project or left irc for now?
11:43:46 <warlord> left irc.
11:43:54 <warlord> he'd be the best person to answer your question.
11:44:08 <warlord> He left about 10 minuted before you arrived.
11:44:26 <jsled> Of course, I think he reads -user, so presumably he saw the message.
11:47:06 <amessina> ahhh, thanks (again).
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12:02:40 <jsled> hmm. warlord, others, did you get the noise message to gnucash-user from "Elise Bolden"?
12:02:56 <jsled> With an empty subject?
12:04:05 <warlord> timestamp?
12:04:21 <jsled> Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:48:46 -0400
12:04:54 <warlord> I dont see it.
12:05:11 <jsled> hmm. It's in the moderation queue, but it also seemed to get delivered into my gnucash-user folder.
12:05:26 <jsled> Odd. Oh well. /me goes afk.
12:06:03 <warlord> ttyl.
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14:21:31 <XiXaQ> where are the invoice html templates stored?
14:22:37 <warlord> There are no html templates.
14:22:46 <warlord> All the invoices are scheme scripts that generate html.
14:23:09 <XiXaQ> oh..
14:24:09 <XiXaQ> well, they do look nice anyway :)
14:25:18 <warlord> Wow! Someone thinks they look nice?
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14:32:49 <XiXaQ> :)
14:33:23 <XiXaQ> sufficiently, anyway. You know.. They're invoices. How beautiful need they be? :)
14:35:10 <warlord> You'd be surprised.
14:48:16 <XiXaQ> perhaps a feature in the future could be to create XML invoices? That way, you could write a XSLT stylesheet and have full flexibility regarding the design?
14:50:35 <warlord> That's one approach. Another is a template processor, something like e-guile.
14:52:24 <jsled> XSLT sucks. Totally sucks.
14:53:44 <warlord> Heh
14:55:01 <XiXaQ> :)
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14:55:33 <XiXaQ> and I've been thinking about a relation with Evolution. It would be nice in several ways. Automated sending of electronic invoices, for instance, would be nice.
14:56:51 <warlord> Indeed, I know lots of people who would want that.
14:58:54 <XiXaQ> and shared contacts and calendar would be nice too.
14:59:44 <warlord> true
15:00:20 <warlord> But I'm not sure we really want Evo as a forced dependency.
15:01:25 <XiXaQ> well, evolution is a very integral part of gnome though.
15:01:44 <jsled> Evolution sucks. Totally sucks.
15:01:49 <jsled> :)
15:01:52 <XiXaQ> it really doesn't suck :)
15:02:27 <jsled> No, I'm mostly joking. It's thoroughly decent as a mailer.
15:02:52 <jsled> But boy howdy is it mediocre and bloated.
15:03:23 <XiXaQ> I like it :)
15:03:34 <XiXaQ> and I love the integration with gnome.
15:03:37 <warlord> It's not all that integral. I dont have any evo processes running.
15:03:47 <warlord> thunderbird integrates just as well.
15:03:59 <jsled> While we use the GNOME stack, I don't think any of us care to be the "leading GNOME personal finanace manager", so much as the "leading personal finanace manager (that happens to use gnome)"
15:04:33 <jsled> I don't know ... do T'bird's calendar events show up in the clock applet in the panel?
15:04:41 <XiXaQ> well, but it makes sense to care more about the most important desktop environment though.
15:04:43 <jsled> I mean, that's just awesome.
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15:05:25 <jsled> I think the key word is "forced" (or maybe "required" dep).
15:05:37 <XiXaQ> I like that, connections with pidgin, panel applets for finding contacts, etc.
15:05:43 <jsled> s/ dep)/) dep/
15:06:00 <XiXaQ> it probably wouldn't have to be a static relationship.
15:06:51 <XiXaQ> I think it would make sense to use a plugin system for mail, another for contacts/CRM, another for Calendar, etc. How it's actually done depends on the plugin.
15:08:06 <XiXaQ> of course, I know nothing of the internals of gnucash.
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15:21:02 <warlord> I suspect it would be a lot of work to do that.
15:22:33 <XiXaQ> I do too.
15:23:03 <warlord> For one thing, the architecture doesn't really allow itself for that kind of multiple methods..
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16:35:39 <andrewsw> nomeata: you listening or just lurking?
16:36:47 <nomeata> andrewsw: often lurking, sometimes listening, sometimes talking. why?
16:37:25 <andrewsw> hi! I see you involved in both gnucash and xmonad and wonder if my "X" cursor in gnucash is a gnc issue or xmonand?
16:37:45 <nomeata> andrewsw: ah, I saw that messages, but you were already gone when I saw it
16:38:01 <andrewsw> yeah, sorry, had to run.
16:38:17 <nomeata> andrewsw: I don’t have any problems with the cursor and gnucash, so I can’t say where the problem lies
16:38:21 <nomeata> where exactly do you see it?
16:39:11 <andrewsw> hmmm... I'm running xmonad 0.4 with gnc 2.2.x in debian sid using xmonad source tarball (not your debs).
16:39:23 <andrewsw> The only cursor i get with gnc is the big 'X'
16:40:13 <nomeata> andrewsw: where exactly? the whole program? including the menus etc?
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16:40:41 <andrewsw> yup. whole program. every aspect of it though I've not tested *all* the dialogs.
16:41:19 <andrewsw> other software behaves as expected, which is why I ask here instead of #xmonad
16:41:50 <nomeata> hmm, here everything works fine. gnucash from unstable, xmonad self-compiled, about version 0.4
16:42:49 <andrewsw> okay. then only other place I get the 'X' is in an unused workspace and on the border of windows. Is that expeted?
16:43:18 <andrewsw> s/expeted/expected/
16:43:24 <nomeata> hmm. not here, no
16:43:30 <nomeata> I get the usual pointer in both places
16:44:07 <andrewsw> okay. then maybe its a cursor problem on my system.
16:49:19 <andrewsw> hmmm... my cursor related packages all look in order. I'll poke around more and maybe ask on d-u. thanks nomeata.
16:49:46 <nomeata> you can also ask on #xmonad, of course. what happens with other windowmanagers?
16:50:25 <andrewsw> my last was wmii and it behaved normally. It been a while since I used anything else. xfce before that seemed okay.
16:52:05 <andrewsw> maybe I'm missing some -dev that handles it? I guess, though, that this belongs on #xmonad or [Xmonad].
16:52:58 <andrewsw> ooh. look at that. xpdf does it too...
16:54:16 <andrewsw> well. thx again. I'm off to the paying job...
16:55:36 <nomeata> cu
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17:49:06 <matthew> how do you enter your deductions from your paycheck?
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17:53:25 <warlord> I'd answer, but you left.
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18:09:18 <puck> heh
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22:45:52 <Alistair> Sri - need some help
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22:46:35 <Alistair> Entering in register (Win gui) auto fill fills in fields then have a heap of problems.
22:48:02 <Alistair> Nobody here so will leave details:
22:50:04 <jsled> there might be people here, but you haven't left details... :)
22:50:10 <Alistair> Auto fill recalls previous split. Part of the split has wages. Sometimes wages does not apply. Seems there is no way to delete a line eg the wages in a split without manually going to each part of the line and deleting it. Sometimes also, when the transaction is finished the program hangs on the next entry until I click on another field that has been filled in eg a previous entry.
22:50:11 <Alistair> I am hoping that these issues will be addressed in the next release, as pretty sure mentioned them earlier.
22:50:53 <Alistair> Hi Josh
22:51:22 <jsled> That is the way to delete a split, by removing its fields. You can also choose to remove all Splits from a transaction.
22:51:46 <Alistair> Yes, I realise that, but thats what is not needed.
22:51:47 <jsled> What do you mean by "hangs on the next entry"?
22:52:33 <Alistair> OK, done the entry after deleting and so on, then finish that entry. click on next line for new entry and it hangs until I click elsewhere.
22:52:46 <Alistair> Think its to do with the refresh issue discussed earlier
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22:53:18 <Alistair> I still cannot figure why you cannot delete a line.
22:53:22 <warlord> Alistair: select the split, right-click, and select "Delete Transaction".
22:53:26 <warlord> It will just delete the split.
22:53:58 <Alistair> OK I'll do it again, but pretty sure that is not what is wanted pse wait a tic.
22:53:59 <jsled> hmm. by "next line for new entry" do you mean the blank split ... the empty split at the end of the transaction?
22:54:15 <Alistair> No its a totally new entry. It works eventually.
22:54:28 <Alistair> Sec please
23:00:12 <Alistair> OK tks Warlord. Its a new learning experience each time. I have to remember to make the first entry the debit eg the deposit. More...............
23:02:10 <Alistair> Unfortunately, say I set the deposit, then the wee thing throws the imbalance field, so this means that you not only have to set the deposit, you also have to edit the debit, to get rid of the imbalance. Not sure if there is a way around that, but it does slow you down.
23:02:47 <Alistair> This only applies to Autofill, which is most common way of entry for me.
23:03:10 <jsled> yeah, it can. I usually just quickly use the keyboard to zero out all the auto-filled splits.
23:03:18 <jsled> But it's less than optimal.
23:03:47 <jsled> A keyboard shortcut to autofill with empty credit/debit cells might help.
23:03:59 <jsled> (er, a shortcut to clear all the credit/debit cells){
23:04:31 <jsled> But, I'm only a fan of autofill about ... 65% of the time.
23:04:31 <warlord> It should only fill in an imbalance if the original was imbalanced.. Or once it autofills a split-txn and you change the amount. But then I just click on "Split" and make the adjustments, and don't hit the 'enter' key.
23:04:35 <Alistair> Hmmm, so how about when you enter in the deposit and only one other entry, instead of it throwing an imbalance on a previous field, it automatically adjusts the previous field (with only two fields)
23:05:15 <warlord> What do you mean "throw[ing] an imbalance on a previous field"? I dont understand what you mean.
23:05:34 <Alistair> OK say a previous account had (for example)
23:05:40 <Alistair> ...........sec
23:05:43 <jsled> Original transaction with splits A, B and C at 60 vs. 40, 20?
23:06:05 <jsled> And when you auto-complete, you get all the values and amounts ... but want to change it to 50 vs. 20, 30...
23:06:13 <Alistair> drawings=35 deposit=35
23:06:54 <Alistair> same debtor again but you enter 100 in deposit then you will still get 35 in drawings, and 65 in imbalance right?
23:07:01 <jsled> yeah.
23:07:10 <jsled> But ... what should it do instead?
23:07:22 <jsled> I think the only sane thing is to zero all the fields.
23:07:45 <Alistair> so why not have it instead of imbalance (with two entries) move the imbalance to drawings so both equal
23:07:49 <warlord> Well, you only get '65 in imbalance' if you hit "enter" before you re-adjust the txn.
23:08:03 <Alistair> you shouldnt have to adjust
23:08:19 <warlord> Yes, you should.. because the system should't try to be smarter than you are.
23:08:22 <Alistair> except for multiple fields
23:08:49 <jsled> Well, you'll get the 65 on the blank split. You do have to key in 65 twice.
23:09:02 <warlord> It only doesn't adjust it when you have multiple fields. If you have a standard, "two-split" basic transaction it will adjust the "other" split fine.
23:09:22 <jsled> Yeah. This is the "are you editing a completed split-txn" vs. "are you modifying a template txn" thing.
23:09:50 <warlord> personally I think gnucash is a bit too quick to create the Imabalnce-<CUR> account/split.
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23:10:12 <warlord> ahh, it's "not-dbr"
23:10:13 <Alistair> OK, well that sounds fine, wonder why its not doing it maybe it is recalling the transaction as a previous splitted field scenario from before
23:10:34 <warlord> Alistair: do you have a split transaction or not?
23:10:54 <jsled> I bet – like me – he's in auto-split (or txn journal) mode.
23:10:57 <Alistair> 'had' is the operative word - then I 'remove splits'
23:10:59 <warlord> I.e., if it's just a single debit and a single credit, changing the amount will do the right thing.
23:11:10 <jsled> Where it doesn't behave as you're describing, warlord.
23:11:58 * warlord uses auto-fill split transactions at least twice a month (for salary) and I've never had this problem.. But maybe because I just know how gnucash works so I do things the gnucash way.
23:14:23 <Alistair> Oh, ugly, I just changed it from Auto-split to basic, filled in the amount I wanted, worked fine, finished transaction, went back to autosplit to view the splits and it had kept all the old including an imbalance.
23:15:22 <jsled> Alistair: that I can't reproduce. What version?
23:15:43 <Alistair> 221
23:16:05 <jsled> warlord: I don't know what you mean. If you have a transaction as 60 vs. 40 + 20, and it autofills, and you change any of the values, the difference shows up on the blank split.
23:16:16 <Alistair> See the transaction is an autorecall which had split items; those split items stay there hidden when in basic mode
23:16:17 <jsled> Whether there's 2 or more splits.
23:16:31 <jsled> Ah; let me try that.
23:16:59 <jsled> Oh. Yeah, it doesn't handle that very well.
23:17:03 <warlord> jsled: yes, but it doesn't auto-create a split to "Imbalance-USD" unless you hit the enter key.
23:17:27 <jsled> Basic view should be eliminated.
23:17:48 <jsled> Or, at least, we should default to autos-split.
23:17:52 <warlord> Alistair: yes, that's true.. a multi-split transaction is a multi-split transaction. gnucash shouldn't try to guess how the adjusted money should be split amongst the splits.
23:18:03 <jsled> And just have basic for people who clamor for "something like quicken".
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23:18:24 <warlord> jsled: not really.. what we really need is something half-way between basic and auto-split -- where it will auto-split ONLY on multi-split transactions.
23:18:39 <warlord> But I still want a single-line for "basic" txns.
23:21:01 <Alistair> Unfortunately, Quicken does handle the splits fine, because you can edit them easier; I reckon you should have 'remove transaction' a right-click menu item saying 'remove line' and when only two lines exist that GNUcash autoadjusts debit to match credit that would make it a lot easier IMHO
23:22:01 <jsled> warlord: I could see that.
23:22:33 <Alistair> Autofill is a huge advantage of both Quicken and GNUcash, its just the implimentation of GNUcash that can make it a tad difficult to handle you should never have to go running around adjusting autofill each time surely?
23:22:40 <warlord> Alistair: Well, sort of. In a multi-split mode the function changes based on which line you're on. "Remove Transaction" will remove the WHOLE transaction when you're on the main line, but will remove only the Split line when you're on a split line. Honestly we should just make the context menu change.
23:23:00 <warlord> Alistair: Sure you must! Especially if you're changing the numbers.
23:23:04 <Alistair> Agreed - thats spot on
23:23:31 <Alistair> So you right click menu item changes depending on what line you are on would make a lot of sense
23:23:32 <warlord> There's no way to automate that case that wouldn't be wrong more often than it's right.
23:23:45 <Alistair> because Delete transaction seems a dangerous thing to do
23:23:53 <jsled> Yeah. It's just a bug that it says that wrong thing.
23:24:07 <warlord> yeah.
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23:24:56 <matthew> how do I set up a car loan account?
23:25:02 <matthew> where does the money come "from"?
23:25:04 <Alistair> Anyway, thanks guys - I have been tied up with work and away from GNUcash for a month. If it did what we have talked about here, it would have fallen in to place a lot easier for forgetful me
23:25:24 <warlord> matthew: depends on if it's a "new" loan or a loan that was created before your "start date" of your accounts.
23:25:35 <jsled> The worst auto-filled transactions for me are groceries. Where the amount is always different, and while two of the splits (the payment and Expenses:Groceries) are fixed, the others are totally variable.
23:25:38 <Alistair> Catch you later but before I go is there a link to get the latest pre-release EXE?
23:25:49 <jsled> Alistair: no.
23:26:00 <matthew> warlord: i'm not following, it's a "new" loan I believe. just took it out in june.
23:26:10 <Alistair> OK tks Josh will keep checking.
23:26:27 <jsled> What I really want there is to auto-complete of the superset of all the splits, but with zero'ed amounts.
23:26:42 <warlord> matthew: if you took out the loan after you started accounting, then it's just a transaction from Liabilities:Loan -> Assets:Car
23:26:47 <Alistair> Gnite both of u -
23:26:52 <jsled> Then I just fill in those that are relevant.
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23:27:29 <warlord> jsled: What we really need are true "template" transactions. Then you can create your template with 0 entries, and I can create my template with the values filled in.
23:27:35 <jsled> right.
23:27:41 <warlord> (i.e., templates dont need to balance)
23:27:47 <matthew> warlord: is the Liabilities:Loan an increase or decrease?
23:27:59 <warlord> Increase.
23:28:06 <warlord> It will Increase Loan and Increase Car.
23:28:24 <jsled> yeah... then, even, the splits are themselves formulæ.
23:28:33 <warlord> I suppose..
23:28:45 <warlord> each split is its own variable.
23:28:54 <jsled> by default, yeah.
23:29:02 <jsled> in my case, most of the splits are expenses my partner and I share.
23:29:12 <warlord> ahh, so many ideas.. so little time.
23:29:20 <jsled> So ... it gets complicated.
23:29:24 <warlord> she's your "partner" now? ;)
23:29:25 <jsled> Right. Heh.
23:29:42 <matthew> that's strange, so when i'm paying off my loan the Liabilities:Loan will decrease... but so will Assets:Car.... that doesn't make much sense to me.
23:30:05 <jsled> Oh, we've used that term for a while ... fiancee, still. But it's just easier to say partner.
23:30:08 <warlord> No, when you pay off your loan the L:Loan decreases, as does Assets:Checking.
23:30:16 <jsled> Why would A:Car decrease?
23:30:18 <warlord> Assets:Car decreases only when you depreciate it.
23:30:21 <jsled> (well, except for ... right.)
23:30:36 <warlord> jsled: do you guys have a date, yet?
23:30:45 <matthew> ok, you're right on that.
23:30:52 <warlord> (fyi, Jude, the girl you met, has been my housemate for a year)
23:31:09 <matthew> but i still don't get it. why is Asset:Car the loan amount? i'm not following what that tells me.
23:31:11 <jsled> warlord: kinda. I need to call the two key facilities and make sure they're still available for the weekend we want.
23:31:55 <warlord> it means that all the value from the loan got applied to purchase the car. Honestly, it might be a split transaction if you paid some cash, too.
23:32:43 <matthew> so... Asset:Car will never be touched again?
23:32:48 <dbreiser> matthew: Asset:Car is the value of the item with durable value
23:32:54 <warlord> matthew: not unless you depreciate it.
23:33:42 <matthew> ok
23:33:53 <matthew> last question, how do I handle interest
23:34:11 <warlord> as a split
23:34:41 <warlord> You can use the Mortgage&Loan Druid to create SXes to auto-compute it, but that only works if you dont pre-pay.
23:35:41 <matthew> what's the split. the payment goes to Liabilities:Loan, where does the interest amount go.
23:36:03 <dbreiser> only part of the payment (principal amount) goes to the Liability
23:36:16 <warlord> Expenses:Loan:Interest
23:36:25 <jsled> http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.0/C/gnucash-guide/loans_mortgage1.html
23:36:39 <dbreiser> so you have money out of checking, part into Liability, and the rest into expenses:interest
23:36:54 <matthew> ok
23:37:16 <warlord> yeah, this is all in the docs. you should go read it.
23:37:31 <matthew> i read that page, but it gives house as its example, which i've never bought
23:37:44 <dbreiser> house is the same as a car, sort of
23:37:45 <warlord> so? a loan is a loan.
23:38:20 <matthew> no, houses use a "mortgage" which i know nothing about
23:38:35 <jsled> A mortgage is just a loan.
23:38:55 <warlord> a... what he said.
23:40:34 <jsled> The etymology (at <http://www.answers.com/mortgage?cat=biz-fin>) is interesting, but it's basically just a loan with the property as collateral.
23:43:24 <matthew> i'm going to have to make some changes, i can't record depreciation as i have this currently constructed, because my Asset:Car is just the loan amount, not the actual cost of the car.
23:44:15 <warlord> well, if you dont wantt o account for the car itself you can just make it to Equity
23:44:38 <matthew> do i record the down payment as Assets:Checking -> Assets:Car? that way it should total to the cost of the car.
23:45:07 <matthew> and then i can factor for depreciation later on
23:45:52 <warlord> yes
23:47:16 <dbreiser> leopard prep time.
23:47:33 <jsled> heh.
23:47:56 <dbreiser> gotta dup my drive to cover various different assets
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