2007-10-22 GnuCash IRC logs
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03:58:42 <thinkmonkeys> hello, I have set the default currency to be GBP, however I have to set the currency of any reports I do manually each time, also the grand total bar at the bottom of the accounts page displays the USD. Is there a way to fix this? Thanks
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08:40:50 <jsled> thinkmonkeys: I believe you can change the report currency in Edit > Preferences.
08:41:13 <jsled> Also, what locale are you running in; the program behaves differently with respect to the locale's currency.
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09:23:19 <XiXaQ> have I understood correctly that reconciliation is used to make sure I've actually payed scheduled payments, and that money I expect actually arrive?
09:23:49 <jsled> reconciliation is used to make sure your books agree with the banks books.
09:24:23 <XiXaQ> right.
09:24:59 <XiXaQ> this is kinda fun. :)
09:25:03 <XiXaQ> I never thought it would be.
10:32:37 <warlord> Glad you're having fun, XiXaQ
10:32:54 <warlord> (most people consider it a chore, but...)
10:33:25 <warlord> Quicken adds a little noise to make it sound like a video game. I've debated adding that to gnucash but just can't bring myself to duplicate that function in good taste.
10:35:17 <warlord> BIAB
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12:09:16 <wharp_> Are budgets specific to specific computer's like reports are, or are they saved as part of the gnucash data file?
12:09:52 <warlord> Data file
12:10:28 <wharp_> Ok, thanks.
12:10:33 <warlord> you're welcome
12:11:06 <wharp_> Is there any reason a budget would be causing gnucash to crash?
12:11:17 <wharp_> Or any known bugs? I can't find anything so far
12:11:49 <jsled> I don't recall many (any) budget-related crashers.
12:12:13 <jsled> Is there any error text during the crash? Maybe start from the commandline with `gnucash --logto stderr`?
12:12:55 <wharp_> No error message, though there is some text logged back to the terminal
12:13:22 <jsled> If you don't use "--logto stderr", you might want to look in /tmp/gnucash.trace, as well.
12:13:42 <jsled> Also, please pastebin if you've something large to convey.
12:15:32 <wharp_> http://pastebin.com/m5b6e3088
12:16:47 <jsled> hmm. I've not seen that one, and apparently neither has bugzilla.
12:17:16 <wharp_> Open a bug report then?
12:17:27 <jsled> Yes, please.
12:17:31 <jsled> This is a startup crash?
12:17:35 <wharp_> Yes
12:17:42 <jsled> we can also manually remove the report that's causing the crash.
12:18:04 <wharp_> If I open gnucash with the no file option it actually goes as far as loading all the windows, but then crashes
12:18:37 <jsled> Oh? That's with --nofile ?
12:18:42 <jsled> So, maybe it's
12:18:53 <wharp_> That is if I open it with nofile and then open the data file
12:19:08 <jsled> a saved budget report, then?
12:19:20 <jsled> ah.
12:19:37 <wharp_> I do have a saved budget, but no reports from it
12:19:54 <jsled> So, it is the datafile. So, you'll want to edit ~/.gnucash/books/«data file name» to remove the page for the budget report.
12:19:55 <wharp_> None that I recall anyway.
12:20:27 <jsled> It's just not clear if the problem's in a saved report or an open report/page.
12:20:39 <jsled> But I'm going to guess the latter, since it's datafile related.
12:20:44 <wharp_> ok
12:20:47 <wharp_> Let me try that.
12:21:00 <jsled> It will be nice if you can copy that section ( from the books/ file) into the bug report.
12:21:17 <wharp_> Ok
12:21:18 <jsled> Not sure if it'll be helpful, actually, but better safe than sorry.
12:22:21 <wharp_> What's actually stored in that directory? My data file is on a flash drive.
12:22:45 <jsled> It's the meta-data about the file. Which pages are open, in what order.
12:23:00 <warlord> Yeah, this definitely looks like a b0rked report.
12:23:04 <jsled> Window geometry.
12:23:08 <wharp_> Yeah, that's pretty obviously now that I look at it.
12:23:13 <jsled> heh.
12:23:25 <wharp_> So if I delete one section, do I need to rename the following pages or will it take care of that?
12:23:40 <jsled> You should rename/number them to be safe.
12:23:49 <jsled> And maintain the PageCount and PageOrder, too.
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12:28:08 <wharp_> Ok, that got the file open
12:28:26 <jsled> It might be interesting to open a new budget report, to see if the problem is reproducible.
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12:30:55 <wharp_> That seems to work just fine
12:31:05 <wharp_> I will say that I recently created a second budget
12:31:25 <wharp_> I thought it likely related to that somehow
12:31:47 <jsled> Could be.
12:32:04 <wharp_> Should I include the entire contents of that file, or just the portion I removed?
12:32:21 <jsled> Just that section is probably fine.
12:32:33 <warlord> Did you delete a budget?
12:32:34 <wharp_> Ok
12:32:52 <wharp_> No, I just created a new one.
12:32:57 <warlord> Hmm..
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12:33:01 <wharp_> Heck, I don't even know how to delete a budget
12:33:09 <warlord> Honestly, I dont know if you can.
12:33:13 <warlord> chris would know.
12:33:39 <wharp_> lol
12:33:39 <jsled> Nope: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465688
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12:35:01 <warlord> huh. I wonder how it lost context to your budget..
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12:37:17 <wharp_> Should this go under budgets or reports?
12:37:58 <warlord> Ummm. unclear.
12:38:07 <warlord> Probably budgets.
12:38:21 <wharp_> Ok
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16:44:06 <tim_abell> hiya, I found this link http://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/HEAD/ and was wondering if there is a newer version somewhere? (the cvs in the domain made me wonder)
16:45:24 <tim_abell> ah, to answer my own question: http://svn.gnucash.org/docs/HEAD/
16:45:56 <tim_abell> the old version is linked from http://lists.gnucash.org/
16:47:30 <warlord> svn.gnucash.org == cvs.gnucash.org
16:47:43 <warlord> ( == lists.gnucash.org, == wiki.gnucash.org, ...)
16:51:08 <tim_abell> cheers
16:51:17 <warlord> enjoy!
16:51:33 <warlord> Which reminds me.. Need to send out email about the server going down this weekend.
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16:53:22 <AlonzoTG> updating gnome broke gnucash. =(((((((((((
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16:54:22 <warlord> Maybe it's just gnome that's broken? ;)
16:54:40 <warlord> did you rebuild gnucash after you upgraded gnome?
16:54:43 <XiXaQ> is there any connection between evolution and gnucash?
16:55:02 <warlord> XiXaQ: Other than they both use Gtk/Gnome?
16:55:40 <XiXaQ> I'm just starting out with gnucash, so I may be way off, but it seems to me it would be nice to be able to automatically add future transactions to the calendar?
16:57:05 <AlonzoTG> re-
16:57:09 <AlonzoTG> re-building gnucash now.
16:58:29 <warlord> cross-application integration is a HARD problem.
16:58:39 <warlord> even more so when there are multiple potential crosses.
16:58:47 <warlord> (and not an overlapping set of developers)
16:58:52 <warlord> But, as always, patches are welcome!
16:59:34 <AlonzoTG> the back end of this shit isn't even documented so I don't have a prayr of figuring it out much less patching it. =(
17:00:06 <XiXaQ> what languages are used?
17:02:17 <warlord> for everything that you'd be doing there... C
17:02:35 <warlord> AlonzoTG: which "backend"?
17:03:40 <cortana> XiXaQ: you'd probably create a data source for evolution-data-server that laoded calendar events from gnucash
17:04:02 <cortana> the difficulty would be in contacting a running instance and asking it for the data
17:04:22 <cortana> or, if you accessed the data file yourself, parsing it and co-ordinating with gnucash when it wants to save a new copy
17:04:28 <warlord> cortana: I think it would be much easier to have gnucash push the data into evo, not the other way around.
17:05:34 <cortana> oh, ok :)
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17:16:35 <jsled> AlonzoTG: What was the gnome upgrade? I mean ... any library in particular? Or was it 2.18->2.20? Via what distro? How did it break?
17:19:21 <AlonzoTG> gnucash,
17:19:36 <AlonzoTG> crash was a lispy stack backtrace, something in the menu, but very obfuscated.
17:19:38 <AlonzoTG> =(
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17:20:09 <AlonzoTG> I wish gnucash didn't have as many stupid dependancies, especially the one that runs through firefox. =(
17:20:50 <jsled> Yeah. Except what's wrong with the firefox dep?
17:20:50 <warlord> "the one that runs through firefox"?
17:21:00 <warlord> I'm guessing.. yelp?
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17:21:13 <warlord> Define a "stupid dependency"?
17:22:27 <AlonzoTG> dependancy on a package I don't want just to provide a feature I'll never use. =\
17:22:49 <jsled> are you still on gentoo?
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17:23:35 <warlord> well, there are differences in build-time vs. run-time dependencies.
17:23:50 <warlord> Talk to your packager about better separation.
17:23:57 <jsled> If you don't want the help, you could pretty easily modify the ebuild to not install it, and remove the yelp dependency.
17:24:31 <warlord> Or still install it but remove the dependency ;)
17:24:54 <warlord> (and when it breaks when you click on Help, don't come yelling to us)
17:27:29 <jsled> In fact, if you made it dependant on the `doc` USE flag, it'd probably get accepted upstream pretty readily.
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18:40:39 <AlonzoTG> rebuild finished, gnucash still crashes with obnoxious stack backtrace.
18:40:55 <AlonzoTG> ={
18:40:59 <AlonzoTG> =(
18:41:25 <warlord> pastebin the stack trace?
18:42:49 <AlonzoTG> http://www.pastebin.ca/746074
18:45:55 <jsled> you're at guile-1.8.3?
18:46:07 <jsled> Either go to slib-3a4 or downgrade to guile-1.8.2.
18:46:29 <jsled> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196417
18:47:10 <jsled> Are you still running system-wide ~x86?
18:49:28 <jsled> Also, I could have told you that 2 hours ago if you'd pasted the error instead of just making frowny-faces. :p
18:49:48 <AlonzoTG> ugh
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