2007-09-26 GnuCash IRC logs
00:02:23 <Kabaka> Hey guys, I just installed gnuCash on a new machine and, when run, it just sits on chcp 1252. On about 10% of the runs, the application starts but hangs as soon as I do anything other than create a new file. Suggestions?
00:20:26 <Kabaka> OK, I commented that line out. Now I can run with occassional whining about CORBA problems and some poor performance. I'm going to hang around in here in case something else breaks.
00:24:59 <Kabaka> occasional*
00:32:55 <Kabaka> By poor performance I mean this: I just waited ten minutes for an 'add account' to complete. It just hung with all of my CPU until I killed it. **quietly awaits enlightenment**
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01:23:38 <warlord> jsled: the ofx mappings are in KVPs, and unfortunately there's no UI method to unmap an account, so you have to go into the data file and reset it by hand.
01:24:04 <warlord> @tell larz3 <warlord> jsled: the ofx mappings are in KVPs, and unfortunately there's no UI method to unmap an account, so you have to go into the data file and reset it by hand.
01:24:04 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
01:24:50 <warlord> Kabaka: what OS/Distro?
01:35:34 <warlord> oh well, bedtime for me.
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02:59:28 <Kabaka> Vista (Home Premium). Sorry, I should have known to include that. Long day.. Speaking of which..
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06:41:31 <Nlex> how do i install subversion-1.4.5 in windows?
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06:46:51 <meson10> Hi , there's this trouble i am facing while using GNUcash
06:47:32 <meson10> say i have a entry of 2048$ i want the same transaction to be divided in to transfers of 2000$ and 48$
06:47:40 <meson10> how do we go about achieving this?.
06:48:07 <cortilap> enter it as split transaction
06:48:24 <meson10> Yes..i dont know hoe to do a split transaction
06:48:27 <meson10> how*
06:48:33 <cortilap> take $2048 from account A and transfer $2000 to account B and $48 to account B?
06:48:51 <cortilap> if you're in the register, there is a button in the toolbar that lets you enter the current xaction as a split
06:48:54 <meson10> Cortilap: yes
06:49:07 <meson10> cortilap: lemme try
06:49:41 <meson10> Cortilap: alright Got it..
06:49:48 <cortilap> check out http://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.0/C/gnucash-guide/txns-registers1.html#txns-registers-multiaccount2
06:49:49 <meson10> Cortilap: thank you ver much. :-)
06:49:51 <cortilap> ah cool
06:50:00 <cortilap> you are welcome :)
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09:21:40 <tazz0r> does anyone else here have a problem with there Preferences not saving?
09:22:54 <jsled> some on windows, yes.
09:23:14 <tazz0r> is there any fix for it yet?
09:23:31 <tazz0r> im using winxp and Preferences from the edit menu wont save
09:23:37 <chris> tazz0r: does your username have a space in it?
09:23:48 <tazz0r> no
09:23:55 <jsled> Or a '&' or any non a-Z0-9 character?
09:24:01 <tazz0r> nop
09:24:09 <tazz0r> my windows username is just "Jamie"
09:24:47 <chris> jsled: we must support names that start with "J", right? :)
09:24:52 <jsled> heh.
09:24:58 <jsled> Is there a gconfd or gconf-2 running in the task list?
09:25:16 <tazz0r> gconfd-2
09:25:26 <tazz0r> its running twice
09:27:20 <warlord> Did all the correct .gconf directories get created?
09:27:54 <tazz0r> none actualy
09:28:18 <tazz0r> just .gnucash and .gnome2 .gnome-private
09:29:00 <warlord> Well, that would do it.
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09:29:42 <tazz0r> well whats causing it not to create the gconf dirs??
09:30:38 <warlord> Who knows? Ask andi5
09:30:40 <warlord> @op andi5
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09:30:54 <tazz0r> i have 2 copys of gnucash one on this pc using winxp which doesnt ahve the .gconf dir and i have a portable version of gnucash which runs strickly off a usb stick
09:31:08 <tazz0r> the copy on usb has the .gconf dir but still settings arnt being saved
09:31:48 <tazz0r> tryed on multiple computers
09:31:58 <andi5> tazz0r: what is your username?
09:32:12 <tazz0r> on all the computers i tryed it on my username is "Jamie"
09:32:17 <andi5> weird
09:32:33 <andi5> does gnucash start up reasonably fast?
09:32:48 <tazz0r> and the copy of gnucash on this pc is a clean install i just redownloaded the setup
09:32:51 <andi5> oh, i am sorry.. maybe i should start reading ;-) ...
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09:33:19 <tazz0r> yes startup time is fine
09:33:33 <tazz0r> its not slow but not fast nither
09:37:42 <tazz0r> any other ideas??
09:40:18 <warlord> Install Linux? ;)
09:40:27 <tazz0r> i have linux too :P
09:40:57 <tazz0r> but the gf uses windows and shes the one who uses gnucash
09:41:57 <warlord> Ah
09:42:54 <warlord> Well, this IS the first windows release.. It's bound to be buggy. Also, we have very little windows expertice, and no full-time developers...
09:43:14 <warlord> So ... I would suggest you pull up your sleeves and try to help us debug it! :-D
09:43:52 <tazz0r> is the non a-Z0-9 character a gnucash issue or is it in gconf/gnome
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09:48:50 <warlord> Umm... I think "both"
09:49:13 <tazz0r> i might take some time today and run thought the source
09:49:27 <tazz0r> i have some experence in programming
09:49:32 <tazz0r> so ill see what i find
09:49:33 <jsled> I believe that one's gconf ... maybe even glib?
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09:50:08 <tazz0r> anyone submit bugs to whoever made the windows port of it?
09:50:49 <jsled> tazz0r: see <http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#Known_issues>. Please find/file bugs at <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=GnuCash>.
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09:54:48 <jsled> tazz0r: <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161209> is the relevant gconf bug.
09:56:26 <tazz0r> tnx
09:56:30 <tazz0r> ill have a look
10:01:27 <Strath> same issue here (2.2.1 on Win 2000), what is the current work around / fix?
10:02:16 <tazz0r> i just did a clean install on vmware and under user profile dir gnucash created a file .gconf.path and in this file is this line
10:02:17 <tazz0r> xml:readonly:C:/soft/gnucash/inst/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults
10:02:32 <tazz0r> shouldent that point to the gnucash install dir on my pc
10:02:54 <tazz0r> and not a dev install
10:05:06 <jsled> Strath: what's the username of the windows account?
10:05:17 <Strath> mike
10:05:59 <Strath> path is "Administrator" though
10:06:03 <Strath> ;)
10:11:13 <Strath> as tazz0r was saying, add in C:\Program Files\gnucash\etc\gconf\2\path, shouldn't the paths not be xml:readonly:c:/devel/target/6a57b8e9d4989ba48dd0961b8f656116/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory and instead be C:\Program Files\gnucash\etc\gconf\gconf.xml.mandatory, etc...
10:12:03 <jsled> Seems like it should, yes. :/
10:12:36 <jsled> Of course, those are only the defaults. Your read/write settings in $HOME/.gconf/[...] will be overlayed.
10:12:51 <warlord> That's probably a gconf bug in that when it creates the file it probably uses the $PREFIX..
10:14:27 <jsled> Perhaps. They did get the separation between build-, install- and post-install- schema installation right, so you'd hope they didn't screw that one up.
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10:16:54 <Strath> think i fixed it
10:17:08 <warlord> For your install, or for the installer?
10:17:34 <Strath> my install ;) i be just a lowly new user
10:18:52 <warlord> So you just changed the .gconf.path?
10:18:59 <Strath> in C:\Program Files\gnucash\etc\gconf\2\path, s/xml:readwrite:$(HOME)/.gconf/xml:readwrite:"$(HOME)/.gconf"/
10:19:15 <Strath> (added double-quotes)
10:19:19 <jsled> Oh. Heh.
10:19:46 <jsled> Oh. Cause it's not the username that contains the ' 's ... but, like, "Documents & Settings".
10:20:28 <Strath> thats my thoughts
10:20:33 <warlord> Hmm... I wonder who owns that file?
10:20:58 <warlord> Strath: can you post that to the bug?
10:21:19 <Strath> not sure it's 100% fixed
10:21:55 <Strath> poped up when doing file:open
10:22:20 <Strath> might just be a hold over from running before "fixing"
10:23:00 <jsled> "poped up" ?
10:23:08 <Strath> error dialog
10:23:19 <jsled> Alos, you might need to `gconftool-2 --shutdown` the daemon to get it to re-read that file.
10:23:43 * Strath may have jumped the gun
10:26:28 <Strath> ah, in $(HOME)\.gconf.path, in lines added by GnuCash, no quotes around the paths
10:28:33 <warlord> Ahh, that should be easily corrected..
10:30:33 <Strath> which i tried to do manualy, GnuCash however re-added a new unquoted line
10:31:55 <warlord> Hmmm... That would imply that the quoted line didn't help.
10:33:32 <Strath> quick question, data file formats are the same for windows and linux?
10:35:49 <warlord> Yep
10:50:12 <Strath> still major problems... still working on it...
10:55:19 <warlord> ok.
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11:02:07 <Plouj> hi
11:02:57 <Plouj> my bank gives me statements in .qfx .ofx and .qif, which one does GnuCash import most correctly?
11:08:59 <Strath> fixed
11:09:40 <Strath> again :P
11:09:51 <jsled> Plouj: OFX is probably the best imported, but QIF should work fine as well.
11:10:09 <jsled> I don't recall if we/aqbanking handles any of the QFX extensions.
11:10:13 <warlord> Plouj: all of them.
11:10:27 <warlord> jsled: I'm pretty sure that the ofx importer also supports qfx.
11:10:36 <Plouj> is there a systematic way to compare the import results?
11:11:51 <Strath> going to wipe the install and retry the fix
11:12:50 <warlord> Plouj: um... run the import multiple times without saving?
11:25:37 <Strath> duh, existing work around as posted here: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Windows#GConf.2FORBit_COMM_FAILURE
11:27:09 <Strath> had tried it before but it hadn't worked.... realized that the zip file stored the bin path
11:27:45 <Nlex> can't find the pt.po to the 2.2.1 version, and still dont know how does SVN works :(
11:27:50 <Strath> ORBit2-2.13.3 works, ORBit2-2.14.7 does not
11:27:59 <warlord> Nlex: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Subversion
11:28:13 <warlord> Strath: can you add that information?
11:30:07 <Strath> i don't have a login
11:31:17 <warlord> it's easy to make one.
11:32:36 <Strath> And just to be clear, all that mucking with the paths was unrelated and ineffective, though it may be something that *should* be corrected anyways.
11:33:11 <jsled> Strath: uh, what problem were you trying to solve, then?
11:35:21 <Strath> failure to startup, hanging on file load, and error dialogs claiming "Adding client to server's list failed, CORBA error: IDL:omg.org/CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0"
11:36:27 <jsled> Strath: Oh. So you didn't have the same problem as tazz0r ...?
11:36:50 <Strath> came in after the problem was stated
11:36:58 <jsled> Ah.
11:38:21 <Strath> was grasping at anything that could be an issue and noticed the paths similar to what tazz0r noticed
11:38:37 <Strath> sorry if i confused the issue
11:39:20 <Strath> what problem did tazz0r have?
11:40:03 <jsled> Strath: http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2007/09/2007-09-26.html#T09:21:40
11:40:07 <warlord> Look at the logs from 09:21 this morning.
11:42:12 <Strath> k
11:43:40 <Strath> I think it may still be the same problem ;)
11:46:50 <Nlex> warlord: i've already been there and i've already instaled Subversion 1.4.5 but is not working
11:47:18 <Strath> tazz0r, have you tried ORBit2-2.13.3?
11:49:27 <warlord> Nlex: well, what happens when you run the command?
11:49:33 <warlord> (and what command are you running)
11:52:57 <Nlex> svn checkout http://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash/branches/2.2 gnucash
11:53:16 <Nlex> doesn't exist
11:54:05 <warlord> um, yes, because 2.2 is still trunk.
11:54:05 <jsled> right. There is no 2.2 branch yet.
11:56:13 <Nlex> shall i lok for trunk instead?
11:56:18 <jsled> yup.
12:04:15 <Nlex> is breakin down
12:08:19 <jsled> hmm?
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12:10:01 <Nlex> do you run subversion on windows?
12:10:27 <jsled> me? no.
12:11:00 <Nlex> does anyone knows ho does it in windows?
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12:12:11 <andi5> Nlex: I do...
12:12:16 <warlord> I've used it on windows. It works (via the commandline) exactly the same as it works on Linux.
12:13:08 <andi5> did you download the windows svn binary or did you compile it from source?
12:13:17 <Nlex> don't know linux and very limited using commandlines :(
12:13:26 <Nlex> got it from...
12:13:32 <Nlex> just a minute
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12:14:08 <warlord> Nlex: well, if you're using SVN you should get yourself more comfortable with the commandline.
12:14:14 <warlord> What's the failure?
12:14:43 <Nlex> http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91
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12:15:10 <andi5> svn-1.4.5-setup.exe ?
12:15:26 <Nlex> andi5: yes
12:15:47 <andi5> if you do not like the command line, then tortoise-svn might help you
12:15:54 <Nlex> ??
12:15:56 <andi5> cstim said it would be slow... i have no clue :)
12:17:06 <Nlex> warlord: it just stop when running comands and close the comands window
12:19:02 <Nlex> is it any other way to translate gnucash without having to use SVN
12:20:56 <Nlex> andi5: what is tortoise-svn?
12:21:25 <andi5> http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/
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12:23:12 <jsled> Nlex: you could just go to <http://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash/trunk/po/pt.po> in your browser and save the file.
12:23:59 <jsled> But using svn shouldn't be that much of a problem.
12:24:25 <jsled> (commandline or tortoise)
12:25:12 <Nlex> ok. i'll check tortoise svn
12:33:43 <warlord> Nlex: what's the svn command you're using, and how are you using it?
12:33:53 <Nlex> jsled: this file is "Project-Id-Version: gnucash-1.8.2\n"
12:34:48 <Nlex> warlord: i've used this one svn checkout http://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash/branches/2.2 gnucash
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12:35:08 <Nlex> it says url doesn't exist.
12:35:53 <Nlex> then i've used svn checkout http://svn.gnucash.org/repo/gnucash-docs/trunk gnucash-docs and that's were it breaks down
12:36:41 <Nlex> i'm using at the commands line of windows
12:38:25 <warlord> Nlex: why are you pulling down gnucash-docs?
12:39:16 <warlord> And what do you mean by "breaks down"? What's the error code printed in the command terminal?
12:40:18 <Nlex> i'm trying to follow those 'http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation' instructions...
12:41:01 <Nlex> it doesn't give a error. it just closes down the commands line window
12:41:43 <warlord> Nlex: well, that doesn't mean it failed, per se. Windows is weird. Did it print anything before the window closed? I've never tried it from a CMD window; I've always used either a Cygwin or MSys shell.
12:43:04 <Nlex> no, it hasn't prin anything
12:43:17 <warlord> Did you check the directory to see if it pulled anything out?
12:52:45 <Nlex> yes. nothing new
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18:32:41 <andi5> @tell Nlex we have not branched off 2.2 yet, so that is why the svn command is failing... you could try http://svn.gnucash.org/trac/browser/gnucash/trunk instead... blame the wiki, it is out-dated (iirc, we branched and reverted the change ;-))
18:32:41 <gncbot> andi5: The operation succeeded.
18:33:06 <warlord> andi5: we should fix the wiki
18:33:18 <andi5> trunk?
18:33:39 <warlord> For now, yes.
18:33:43 <andi5> ok
18:33:46 <warlord> Until we branch.. and then we can update the wiki again.
18:33:53 <warlord> But the wiki should be accurate as of 'today' ;)
18:34:10 <andi5> sounds... reasonable
18:34:13 <warlord> :-D
18:37:32 <andi5> regarding #479581 (gnucash --nofile hasn't application name in window title), i visited http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/windows-primary.html#primary-window-titles .... gnucash is document-based, right?
18:38:38 <andi5> instead of <no file> we could use "Unsaved Document", if we want
18:39:10 <jsled> Hmm. I suppose it is. But the HIG seems pretty obviously wrong, there.
18:39:22 <warlord> Hmm
18:39:25 <jsled> At least, neither Evo nor Gnumeric do that ... they both suffix the document/view name with their name.
18:39:48 <warlord> Well, part of me thinks that gnucash should never allow have "no file"..
18:39:49 <jsled> XChat prefixes; firefox appends.
18:40:07 <andi5> abiword follows the HIG, gnumeric suffixes ": Gnumeric"
18:40:14 <andi5> sounds like a mess
18:40:31 <warlord> For now, I think we should prepend or append the title.
18:40:50 <andi5> " - GnuCash" is what i would prefer
18:42:59 <warlord> IMNSHO I think that eventually gnucash should disallow the "no file" state. I know that quickbooks doesn't allow it; I dont know about quicken. But basically we should always at least run through the New File dialog and ask the user for a filename. This will be more important once SQLite is the default.
18:44:15 <andi5> i could file a bug against 2.4.... as reminder :)
18:44:39 <warlord> nah..
18:45:27 <andi5> maybe not "against", but with that a milestone
18:45:50 <warlord> Umm... sure.
18:46:53 <andi5> warlord: you would prefer a fix instead of a bug report, right? ;-)
18:47:01 <warlord> of course ;)
18:47:05 <andi5> argh :)
18:47:17 <warlord> But then again we need to update the New File hierarchy to ALSO ask for a filename..
18:47:54 <warlord> (and maybe make it pluggable so we could ask for other information, like Business Name and other Business information)
18:48:48 <andi5> so you would append a druid page for "final questions"?
18:49:07 <andi5> do you REALLY want a new file? come on...
18:49:29 <warlord> Once we have SQL -- yes ;)
18:49:38 <warlord> until then, well.... Yeah. :-D
18:51:29 <andi5> quick poll: does anyone agree/disagree with me when i append " - GnuCash" to all window titles? ... (something i can manage until 1 o'clock ;-))
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18:54:07 <chris> andi5: no opinion.
18:57:13 <warlord> I dont have a strong opinion about whether it should be "... - GnuCash" or "GnuCash: ..."
18:58:01 <andi5> actually, i have :-D
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19:00:47 <warlord> Okay...
19:01:12 <warlord> Firefox puts it at the end. Xchat prepends.
19:03:18 <edgy> Hi
19:03:23 <andi5> hm... the comments in gnc-main-window.c stop me... i use to hesitate to break standards :)
19:03:59 <andi5> (or when it comes about to break them... whatever, me no english)
19:04:22 <andi5> hi feisty... ahem, edgy
19:06:10 <andi5> btw, openoffice appends.... well, feel free to comment on the bug...
19:09:30 <jsled> andi5: go for it; appending is good, imho.
19:09:36 <edgy> ;)
19:10:04 <edgy> when I view/edit the invoice, how can I see the payment, please?
19:10:13 <edgy> without printing the invoice
19:10:49 <edgy> I can only see the transactions but not the money paid
19:12:34 <andi5> see you
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20:24:18 <tazz0r> anyone around
20:26:38 <warlord> tazz0r: nope. nobody here but us lights.. and we're out.
20:26:45 <tazz0r> lol
20:27:03 <tazz0r> wish i was out lol long day :/
20:28:15 <tazz0r> was wondering what files i would need to change to get all the data to save in a folder guncash/data/ instead of saving it in the windows userprofile dir
20:28:44 <tazz0r> so that no files or folders would be placed anywhere but the gnucash/subfolder dirs
20:28:54 <warlord> @tell edgy Payments aren't part of the invoice; they are separate. You can see them in the A/R register, in the printable invoice report, or via the Customer Report.
20:28:54 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
20:29:32 <warlord> tazz0r: Ummm... gnucash will save your datafile wherever you tell it to save.
20:29:43 <warlord> Or are you talking about non-datafile metadata?
20:30:05 <tazz0r> im talking about the .gnucash .gconf etc folders that get saved to the userprofile dir
20:30:42 <tazz0r> im working on a portable version of gnucash that when finished will run from my thumbdrive and leave no traces on the host pc
20:31:42 <tazz0r> i made a launcher for it that switchs the userprofile dir from windows to my thumbdrive for gnucash but if the user account dosent have admin rights then ti doesnt work
20:32:20 <tazz0r> so i was wondering what in the source or conf files i need to change to get it all to save to gnucash/data/
20:48:15 <tazz0r> hello?????
20:48:39 <warlord> Sorry, r/l interceded.
20:48:43 <warlord> Unfortunately I dont know.
20:48:47 <warlord> andi5 would be the guy to ask.
20:49:50 <tazz0r> ok i dont sopose he reads the logs??
20:50:35 <tazz0r> i could probably find it if i go through the src but thats alot to go through :/
20:50:55 <warlord> He usually does. Or you can tell gncbot to tell him. :)
20:51:11 <warlord> I think .gconf is out of our control. the .gnucash is controlled by $HOME
20:51:37 <tazz0r> $HOME in what file??
20:51:56 <warlord> in the environment
20:52:14 <tazz0r> for gconf ill probably have to change and recompile from src
20:52:36 <warlord> Maybe.. I dont know.
20:52:45 <warlord> It might use $HOME as well
20:53:04 <tazz0r> like i siad it works fine now portable but only if im on an admin user account
20:53:26 <warlord> * shrugs *
20:53:35 <warlord> anyways, andi5 is the man to ask. he's in Germany.
20:53:35 <tazz0r> be nice to make it fully portable with needing admin rights
20:53:44 <warlord> "without"?
20:54:14 <tazz0r> yes without
20:54:15 <tazz0r> lol
20:54:35 <tazz0r> been a long day lol i seem not to be typing what im thinking on here and in msn
20:54:36 <tazz0r> lol
20:54:51 <warlord> heh
20:55:25 <tazz0r> im sure ill catch andi5 tomrrow its 10pm here now so i think imma head to bed
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20:55:58 <warlord> Atlantic TZ?
20:56:09 <tazz0r> yep
20:56:27 <warlord> Anyways, I gotta run.. Good Luck,
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20:56:33 <tazz0r> tnx
20:56:36 <tazz0r> gnight
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