2007-09-20 GnuCash IRC logs
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09:40:52 <dwhsi1> (I asked this last night but maybe more people are awake now...)
09:41:00 <dwhsi1> so it seems like building 2.2.1 on ubuntu/debian is blocked because of some guile/slib problem? (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347922)
09:41:06 <dwhsi1> which version can I build? anyone know?
09:41:12 <dwhsi1> ubuntu only includes gnucash 2.0.5, I'd like to use a more current version
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10:14:45 <warlord> dwhsi1: 2.2.1 builds just fine on Ubuntu.
10:14:55 <warlord> If you can build 2.0.x you can build 2.2.x
10:15:46 <dwhsi1> warlord: thanks
10:15:52 <dwhsi1> hang on a sec
10:16:06 <dwhsi1> so when I run ./configure I get:
10:16:17 <dwhsi1> Cannot find SLIB. Are you sure you have it installed?
10:16:17 <dwhsi1> See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347922
10:16:32 <warlord> Sure, but that's not a GNUCASH problem.. That's a guile/slib problem.
10:16:36 <dwhsi1> ah
10:16:38 <dwhsi1> :-)
10:16:39 <warlord> Make sure you have guile and slib installed.
10:16:58 <dwhsi1> I do, as far as I know
10:17:33 <warlord> what do you get from: guile -c "(use-modules (ice-9 slib)) (require 'printf)"
10:18:16 <dwhsi1> ERROR: Could not find slib/require.scm in ("/usr/share/guile/site" "/usr/share/guile/1.8" "/usr/share/guile")
10:18:37 <warlord> Mhm.. And is slib installed in any of those locations?
10:19:08 <dwhsi1> uh... how would I check
10:19:09 <dwhsi1> ?
10:20:56 <warlord> look?
10:21:02 <warlord> where is slib installed?
10:21:11 <warlord> And do you have a proper symlink?
10:21:19 <warlord> (if it's not installed there)
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10:21:37 <dwhsi1> sorry, this kind of stuff is a little beyond me -- how do I check where slib is installed?
10:22:02 <dwhsi1> I do have a /usr/share/slib
10:23:50 <dwhsi1> only require.scm I have in /usr/share is /usr/share/slib/require.scm
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10:26:06 <dwhsix> hmm... do I need a SCHEME_LIBRARY_PATH env variable? Not sure if I do...
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10:26:39 <dwhsix> no, I definitely don't
10:26:51 <warlord> if it's beyond you, why are you trying to build gnucash instead of using the 2.0.5 that comes with ubuntu?
10:26:58 <dwhsix> lol
10:27:15 <warlord> but try putting a symlink from /usr/share/guile/slib -> /usr/share/slib
10:27:27 <dwhsix> because 2.0.5 seems to not use the xml storage format, and I'd like to do some things that would be a lot easier if I had that format
10:27:35 <dwhsix> am I correct about that?
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10:29:01 <dwhsix> ok, trying configure again
10:30:19 <dwhsix> hmm, still fails but slightly different
10:30:33 <dwhsix> and guile -c "(use-modules (ice-9 slib)) (require 'printf)" now gives me:
10:30:41 <dwhsix> ERROR: Unbound variable: slib:features
10:32:37 <dwhsix> hmm... that may be http://osdir.com/ml/lisp.guile.bugs/2006-11/msg00010.html
10:32:58 <dwhsix> <quote>It seems the root cause being *features* is renamed to slib:features in slib, but this change has yet reflected in guile. </quote>
10:34:09 <dwhsix> I have both guile 1.6 and 1.8... I wonder if I should remove guile 1.8...
10:34:22 <warlord> OH! Well THAT could cause problems, toO!
10:34:43 <warlord> Umm... 2.0.5 certainly uses XML
10:34:53 <dwhsix> oh
10:35:00 <warlord> It's just gzipped by default.
10:35:11 <dwhsix> aaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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10:36:11 <dwhsix> so it is
10:36:19 <dwhsix> warlord: much thanks!
10:36:24 <warlord> Um, you're welcome. ;)
10:36:39 <dwhsix> is there an option to have gnucash not store it gzipped?
10:37:19 <warlord> of course.
10:38:28 <dwhsix> warlord: thanks for your patience... the info about the file being gzipped was here: http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/File
10:38:32 <dwhsix> and I didn't find that
10:38:34 <dwhsix> apologies
10:40:12 <dwhsix> ok, found the option to turn off compression as well
10:40:31 <dwhsix> (and I will now stop babbling)
10:41:02 <warlord> ok
10:54:13 <warlord> gotta run.
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12:09:37 <fell> Hi, in README.dependencies, I am missing the dep of aqbanking from [lib]gwenhywfar
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12:22:23 <Nlex> hello
12:22:43 <Nlex> this is my first time around
12:23:02 <Nlex> i am a recent user of gnucash
12:23:34 <Nlex> having a litle problem reconciliating accounts
12:25:46 <Nlex> when i reconcilate a bank acconut the other account doesn't get reconciliated. Is this how it works?
12:27:35 <Nlex> Being a double-entry accounting system when i reconciliate a credit account the debit account shouldn't also get reconciliated?
12:44:50 <Nlex> a litle help?
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12:46:04 <fell> you enter the data by hand or hbci or file import?
12:46:14 <Nlex> by hand
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12:47:05 <fell> you write them in an account or the general ledger
12:47:29 <Nlex> general ledger
12:47:51 <fell> which view ?
12:48:14 <Nlex> well, it depends on the kind of data
12:48:30 <Nlex> usualy the normal view,
12:49:49 <Nlex> basic ledger
12:50:06 <fell> so one transaction has one or more lines?
12:50:13 <Nlex> ou auto-split ledger
12:50:56 <Nlex> some transactions have one line others have more... the spli lines
12:52:34 <Nlex> the problem is: i have a bank account and a credit card account
12:53:29 <fell> Bank should be type asset; credit card type liabilities
12:53:48 <Nlex> when i reconciliate the bank account with a payment to the credit card account the bank account get reconciliated but the credit card account doesn't.
12:53:58 <Nlex> ok
12:55:44 <Nlex> i have the accounts type definid as they come
13:03:49 <fell> sorry for the delay, I created a file. If you set in GL the colomn R in one of the 2 lines, the other doesn't change, but should, you think?
13:04:54 <Nlex> no problem.
13:06:17 <Nlex> i'm using portuguese version. the column R i know what it is. what is GL?
13:06:59 <fell> Perdonna, Reconciliation
13:07:25 <Nlex> ok
13:08:08 <Nlex> from the begining: i have a bank account and credit card account
13:09:39 <Nlex> i am going to make a payment of 100 from the bank to the credit card account.
13:10:29 <Nlex> Open the register window of the bank account, insert the data and reconciliate it
13:11:38 <Nlex> now i'm going to close this window and open the register window of the credit card account
13:12:22 <Nlex> i have the movement, the payment received of 100 but isn't reconciliated!
13:16:24 <fell> yes, I see. But I must admit, I never used this flag. I hope someone else here knows more about it.
13:17:28 <Nlex> ok. thanks
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13:41:33 <fell> Nlex: I found many places about reconcilation here:http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=reconcile&go=Go
13:41:51 <fell> too late
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13:46:11 <warlord> fell: please dont answer questions for new users unless you know you know the answer. in this case, reconcilation is BY ACCOUNT, and it only reconciles the parts of transactions that touch that account.
13:46:47 <warlord> So, yes, when you reconcile the Credit split for a transaction, the debit split is NOT reconciled.. The reasoning is that the debit-split is in a different account... So you have to go reconcile that account to get that split to reconcile.
13:47:06 <warlord> Also, the 'R' column is in all registers, not just the GL.
13:47:32 <fell> yes, I reeded it in between.
13:47:47 <warlord> @tell Nlex See http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2007/09/2007-09-20.html#T13:46:11
13:47:47 <gncbot> warlord: The operation succeeded.
13:48:06 <warlord> what do you mean you "reeded[sic] it in between"?
13:48:27 <fell> readed
13:48:50 <warlord> "readed"?
13:49:06 <warlord> (clearly English isn't your first language)
13:49:06 <fell> red?
13:49:13 <warlord> Do you mean "read" in past tense?
13:49:17 <fell> yes
13:50:31 <warlord> So what do you mean by "you read it in between"?
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13:51:48 <fell> yes, now I know it is the replacemant for the hook on the paper statements.
13:53:37 <warlord> "hook"?
13:54:59 <fell> this OK sign
13:55:28 <fell> checkbox
13:57:57 <fell> but, why I am here, was http://lists.gnucash.org/logs/2007/09/2007-09-20.html#T12:09:37
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14:00:52 <warlord> "missing the dep of Aqbanking"?
14:01:12 <warlord> Gnucash depends on Aqbanking. What THAT depends on is up to you and how you build it.
14:01:27 <warlord> We dont list "libc" as a dependency, either.
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14:02:50 <fell> sounds logic.
14:05:15 <fell> bye
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14:06:19 <justeco> the configure script for gnucash 2.21 seems unable to find my popt.h. However, I have popt.h installed, I see it in ldconfig, and the header file is in /usr/local/include
14:06:33 <justeco> Is there something else I can do to convince it that it is there?
14:06:42 <warlord> well, what does config.log say?
14:08:01 <justeco> a lot...
14:09:13 <warlord> Okay..... what does config.log say about this particular failure?
14:09:24 * warlord should learn to ask explicit questions.
14:09:25 <justeco> conftest.c:66:18: popt.h: No such file or directory
14:09:46 <justeco> Sorry, I was paging through the log looking for something useful
14:10:27 <warlord> justeco: pastebin the compiler line ahead of that? What OS/Distro?
14:10:53 <justeco> the popt.h file is there, so I am looking to see if there is related stuff..
14:10:56 <justeco> configure:28704: gcc -E conftest.c
14:11:01 <justeco> OpenBSD 4.1-stable
14:12:18 <warlord> Umm... Is this via Ports?
14:12:30 <warlord> Because, well, ports should work.
14:12:34 <warlord> (also, it's 2.2.1, not 2.21)
14:12:42 <justeco> There are a few places in the log where it denotes a popt failure
14:12:52 <warlord> 2.21 would be the 11th debug-release of the 2.x series
14:12:58 <justeco> No, the latest port in the tree is 1.8.something...
14:13:11 <warlord> I disbelieve.. I know they had 2.0.x
14:13:25 <justeco> There is a note that they want to update the port, so I am seeing what it takes to install. Everything was groovy until the popt thing.
14:14:22 <justeco> DISTNAME= gnucash-1.8.12
14:14:32 <justeco> That is a -current ports tree as of yesterday.
14:14:45 <warlord> Maybe it was FreeBSD that had 2.0.x? I get all the *BSDs confused.
14:14:53 <warlord> Have you based your build on the existing port?
14:14:58 <warlord> What does IT do?
14:15:04 <warlord> Maybe it sets some compiler flags?
14:15:27 <warlord> Like adding /usr/local/{include,lib} to the CFLAGS or LDFLAGS or something?
14:16:05 <justeco> No, I am just building in a directory at the moment. I have not set any flags, but I can look at it.
14:17:07 <warlord> Well.... There ya go.
14:17:10 <warlord> Try that ;)
14:17:32 <warlord> It's possible that /usr/local/include isn't in your default include-path.. and .../lib isn't in your default lib-path.
14:21:39 <justeco> Yes, I guess I'm going to need to specify a few things... CFLAGS gets me a bit further.. Not sure what this means though: configure: WARNING: popt.h: accepted by the compiler, rejected by the preprocessor!
14:21:46 <justeco> probably some other env I need...
14:22:45 <warlord> Check config.log.
14:24:06 <justeco> OK, I think I am on to what I need to be looking at. I will also look at the freeBSD port for clues. Many thanks!
14:26:38 <warlord> you're welcome.
14:26:45 <warlord> You might also want to send mail to the port-maintainer
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14:44:07 <Simon> would it be possible to allow open tabs to be rearranged?
15:08:13 <justeco> Looks like a gnucash port may not have been possible until just recently... There has been no port of goffice. I see that port of goffice has just been done (not even in tree yet), so it may be that a gnucash port is to follow...
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18:19:07 <justeco> I may be taking over treasurer duties for my homebrew club shortly. For collecting member dues, would I just set up Receivable accounts?
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18:22:09 <justeco> I've never used GNUCash before (or any other acocunting software, actually) so these may be silly questions... Can I set up an account (like a club member) to have their payment due on a particular day every year?
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20:16:58 <grambler> hellooo
20:17:12 <grambler> can someone tell me how I can change the 'locale currency'?
20:17:34 <grambler> (Gnucache 2.2.1 on Win XP)
20:22:11 <warlord> grambler: change your locale.
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21:00:42 <gib> Is anyone using gnucash with the newest version of gnome libraries?
21:01:24 <gib> yelp 2.19.90 no longer displays images for gnucash's help files.
21:01:34 <gib> It only shows the text.
21:02:09 <gib> Which sucks, because gnucash has a really good help file with lots of images/screenshots to show what it's talking about.
21:42:22 <warlord> gib: probably not.
21:45:37 <gib> Well, I'm using Kubuntu Gutsy with yelp 2.19.90, and images no longer show up in gnucash's yelp file, or any other programs. That's a big problem for gnucash, because there are a lot of great visuals in the docs showing what the text is talking about. It's a whole lot less useful with out any of the images.
21:46:27 <gib> Everything shows up as expected with Feisty (which uses yelp 2.18, I think).
21:47:17 <warlord> well, perhaps the ubuntu gnucash maintainer would be willing to help track this down?
21:47:50 <gib> It's not just their version.
21:48:09 <gib> I compiled 2.2.1 from scratch and get the same results.
21:48:24 <warlord> well, then, YOU can help debug it.
21:48:40 <warlord> :-D
21:49:22 <gib> I think the gnome dev's borked yelp, and will call it a "feature." They say yelp loads faster in 2.20. Pretty easy to do when you don't load the images.
21:49:37 <warlord> thisis true..
21:49:52 <gib> So any apps that rely on yelp for their help will be screwed.
21:49:57 <warlord> wouldn't be the first time they've dropped functionality and called it a feature
21:50:08 <warlord> ("they" being "gtk people")
21:50:38 <gib> Yeah, that's why I don't use gnome, but I really like gnucash.
21:50:58 <gib> Wish it had less gnome deps so they weren't at gnomes mercy.
21:51:05 <warlord> well, the help IS online..
21:51:27 <warlord> Yeah, well... It's a GTK app. See the FAQ.
21:51:59 <warlord> But... http://cvs.gnucash.org/docs/guide/
21:52:04 <gib> I have no problem with the GTK part, but it uses a lot of gnome libs too.
21:52:13 <warlord> Which ones?
21:52:27 <warlord> (yes, we use SOME gnome features, but not many)
21:53:41 <gib> Yelp for one, and it's not easy to customize register color, and fonts if you're not using gnome as your desktop.
21:54:12 <warlord> you can run gnome-control-center without using the gnome desktop.. Or you ~/.gtkrc.
21:54:24 <warlord> As for yelp.. Again, that's not a gnome library (per se)
21:55:48 <gib> It's a standalone gnome prog that's part of gnome, but still you get effected when gnome mucks it up and calls it a feature.
21:56:15 <warlord> sure, but you'd be just as affected if they fuck up glib or gtk..
21:57:03 <warlord> and that's not "gnome" per se, either
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21:58:13 <gib> I think you're safer with the backend stuff than front end UI features though, because those are the ones they are constantly trying to dumb down because they think their users are idiots.
21:58:33 <dbr> yelp 2.20 crashes on opening on macs (at least with fink based libs)
21:58:43 <warlord> * sigh *
22:03:59 <warlord> Honestly, if it were up to me, and if I could find the 10-20 man-years of resources, I'd love to re-do gnucash is non-Gtk.
22:05:18 <gib> It might be a good idea to use the html doc from the help menu in gnucash rather than using yelp with xml, because gnome seems to give yelp an extremely low priority. They've broken it before and were never too worried about fixing it promptly.
22:05:45 <gib> Are you the primary dev warlord?
22:06:24 <warlord> i was at one point.
22:06:51 <warlord> We were using html once.. then migrated to yelp to be more "gnome-compatible".
22:07:13 <warlord> Perhaps if we migrate from GtkHTML -> GtkMozEmbed we might consider migrating back.
22:08:08 <gib> btw, are their alternatives to yelp for viewing gnome help files? I know you have help online, but 2.20 doesn't work with any gnome help files with images, and they don't all have online help.
22:08:22 <warlord> nope.
22:08:24 <gib> *there
22:08:31 <warlord> have you filed a bug report?
22:08:45 <gib> No.
22:08:47 <warlord> or at least, none that I know of.
22:08:50 <warlord> Well, you should! :)
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22:09:45 <dbr> my source tells me he'll be joining the crowd :(
22:09:45 <gib> I would, but I get the feeling that they just don't care about yelp. I reported in the past when it was broken and didn't get much action.
22:10:05 <warlord> dbr: joining which crowd?
22:10:21 <gib> + they can always call it a "feature." Hey, it loads fast :))
22:10:25 <dbr> Lots of recent bugzilla entries of new yelp failures
22:10:33 <warlord> dbr: oh
22:10:42 <warlord> gib: I doubt they can call THIS a feature.
22:10:47 <warlord> it's a regression.
22:11:03 <warlord> "yes, it loads faster, but images don't work"
22:11:51 <gib> I get the feeling that yelp is just an afterthought to gnome.
22:14:50 <warlord> could be
22:15:09 <warlord> then again it wouldn't be the first time that the devs made some major changes and lost functionality in the migration.
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23:06:26 <warlord> anyways, bedtime for me.
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